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NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:03 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:57 am If the politicians had got on with what?

Referendum June 2016. Left the EU Jan 2020. Wasted months of party politics and MPs being obstructive rather than acting on the result.

A cross party group should have got on with from Jan 2017 at the latest to act on the decision of the nation.

Firstly, irrrespective of whatever way you want to spin it, it was the decision of SOME of the Nation; NOT THE Nation; as you have quite incorrectly alluded to.

Many of course that voted for Brexit ard now pushing up the daisies; so this entire clusterf**k, that they helped to create, isn't even going to affect them.

I'm confused why you state Jan 2017; Theresa May didn't declare our withdrawal, by invoking Article 50 until 29th March 2017; so I'm not quite sure what progress could have been made at any time before that date; with a cross-party group or otherwise. We were subsequently due to leave by 29th March 2019. How did that go again?

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:20 pm Glad to see the party of law and order deliver once more with a tough sentanence for the brother of the Manchester bomber 55 years behind bars.

Good riddance to bad scum.

RIP all those that suffered at his and his brothers hands.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:20 pm Glad to see the party of law and order deliver once more with a tough sentanence for the brother of the Manchester bomber 55 years behind bars.

Good riddance to bad scum.

RIP all those that suffered at his and his brothers hands.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:38 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:03 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:57 am If the politicians had got on with what?

Referendum June 2016. Left the EU Jan 2020. Wasted months of party politics and MPs being obstructive rather than acting on the result.

A cross party group should have got on with from Jan 2017 at the latest to act on the decision of the nation.

Firstly, irrrespective of whatever way you want to spin it, it was the decision of SOME of the Nation; NOT THE Nation; as you have quite incorrectly alluded to.

Many of course that voted for Brexit ard now pushing up the daisies; so this entire clusterf**k, that they helped to create, isn't even going to affect them.

I'm confused why you state Jan 2017; Theresa May didn't declare our withdrawal, by invoking Article 50 until 29th March 2017; so I'm not quite sure what progress could have been made at any time before that date; with a cross-party group or otherwise. We were subsequently due to leave by 29th March 2019. How did that go again?

The Nation voted by majority for Brexit. That's democracy.

The landslide GE result would suggest that many who did not vote for Brexit at the referendum indirectly did so in what was effectively a second vote last December so not sure how many have passed since then.

Lastly, although Article 50 was invoked in March 2017, there should have been people working on Brexit in advance. It's called preparation. To exit the EU 3 and a half years after the vote was disgraceful, whoever was in charge.

As for the rest of your post; zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:38 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:03 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:57 am If the politicians had got on with what?

Referendum June 2016. Left the EU Jan 2020. Wasted months of party politics and MPs being obstructive rather than acting on the result.

A cross party group should have got on with from Jan 2017 at the latest to act on the decision of the nation.

Firstly, irrrespective of whatever way you want to spin it, it was the decision of SOME of the Nation; NOT THE Nation; as you have quite incorrectly alluded to.

Many of course that voted for Brexit ard now pushing up the daisies; so this entire clusterf**k, that they helped to create, isn't even going to affect them.

I'm confused why you state Jan 2017; Theresa May didn't declare our withdrawal, by invoking Article 50 until 29th March 2017; so I'm not quite sure what progress could have been made at any time before that date; with a cross-party group or otherwise. We were subsequently due to leave by 29th March 2019. How did that go again?

The Nation voted by majority for Brexit. That's democracy.

The landslide GE result would suggest that many who did not vote for Brexit at the referendum indirectly did so in what was effectively a second vote last December so not sure how many have passed since then.

Lastly, although Article 50 was invoked in March 2017, there should have been people working on Brexit in advance. It's called preparation. To exit the EU 3 and a half years after the vote was disgraceful, whoever was in charge.

As for the rest of your post; zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:53 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:38 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:03 pm

Firstly, irrrespective of whatever way you want to spin it, it was the decision of SOME of the Nation; NOT THE Nation; as you have quite incorrectly alluded to.

Many of course that voted for Brexit ard now pushing up the daisies; so this entire clusterf**k, that they helped to create, isn't even going to affect them.

I'm confused why you state Jan 2017; Theresa May didn't declare our withdrawal, by invoking Article 50 until 29th March 2017; so I'm not quite sure what progress could have been made at any time before that date; with a cross-party group or otherwise. We were subsequently due to leave by 29th March 2019. How did that go again?

The Nation voted by majority for Brexit. That's democracy.

The landslide GE result would suggest that many who did not vote for Brexit at the referendum indirectly did so in what was effectively a second vote last December so not sure how many have passed since then.

Lastly, although Article 50 was invoked in March 2017, there should have been people working on Brexit in advance. It's called preparation. To exit the EU 3 and a half years after the vote was disgraceful, whoever was in charge.

As for the rest of your post; zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

"To exit the EU 3 and a half years after the vote was disgraceful, whoever was in charge." - I don't think there's much doubt who actually was in charge tbh. This shambles is a 100% Tory f*ckfest of monumental proportions. I'm pretty sure it's not Corbyn's fault.......

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:59 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:38 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:03 pm

Firstly, irrrespective of whatever way you want to spin it, it was the decision of SOME of the Nation; NOT THE Nation; as you have quite incorrectly alluded to.

Many of course that voted for Brexit ard now pushing up the daisies; so this entire clusterf**k, that they helped to create, isn't even going to affect them.

I'm confused why you state Jan 2017; Theresa May didn't declare our withdrawal, by invoking Article 50 until 29th March 2017; so I'm not quite sure what progress could have been made at any time before that date; with a cross-party group or otherwise. We were subsequently due to leave by 29th March 2019. How did that go again?

The Nation voted by majority for Brexit. That's democracy.

The landslide GE result would suggest that many who did not vote for Brexit at the referendum indirectly did so in what was effectively a second vote last December so not sure how many have passed since then.

Lastly, although Article 50 was invoked in March 2017, there should have been people working on Brexit in advance. It's called preparation. To exit the EU 3 and a half years after the vote was disgraceful, whoever was in charge.

As for the rest of your post; zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

No, No, No, No, No!

That simply won't do dear chap!!

That's just Thor-like swervery' and it simply won't do!!!

Your response truly has the depth of a grain of sand.

You stated that 'cross-party politicians' should have "got on with it".

You haven't explained why all political parties should have helped; in particular, the points I've made about The Labour Party.

You've also swerved what exactly it was that politicians 'should have been getting on with' - and why things didn't quite go as swimmingly as planned.

Must try harder!

I await your in-depth, meaningful response; rather than your pointless 'we won, get over it' rhetoric.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:03 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:59 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:38 pm

The Nation voted by majority for Brexit. That's democracy.

The landslide GE result would suggest that many who did not vote for Brexit at the referendum indirectly did so in what was effectively a second vote last December so not sure how many have passed since then.

Lastly, although Article 50 was invoked in March 2017, there should have been people working on Brexit in advance. It's called preparation. To exit the EU 3 and a half years after the vote was disgraceful, whoever was in charge.

As for the rest of your post; zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

No, No, No, No, No!

That simply won't do dear chap!!

That's just Thor-like swervery' and it simply won't do!!!

Your response truly has the depth of a grain of sand.

You stated that 'cross-party politicians' should have "got on with it".

You haven't explained why all political parties should have helped; in particular, the points I've made about The Labour Party.

You've also swerved what exactly it was that politicians 'should have been getting on with' - and why things didn't quite go as swimmingly as planned.

Must try harder!

I await your in-depth, meaningful response; rather than your pointless 'we won, get over it' rhetoric.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:38 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:03 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:57 am If the politicians had got on with what?

Referendum June 2016. Left the EU Jan 2020. Wasted months of party politics and MPs being obstructive rather than acting on the result.

A cross party group should have got on with from Jan 2017 at the latest to act on the decision of the nation.

Firstly, irrrespective of whatever way you want to spin it, it was the decision of SOME of the Nation; NOT THE Nation; as you have quite incorrectly alluded to.

Many of course that voted for Brexit ard now pushing up the daisies; so this entire clusterf**k, that they helped to create, isn't even going to affect them.

I'm confused why you state Jan 2017; Theresa May didn't declare our withdrawal, by invoking Article 50 until 29th March 2017; so I'm not quite sure what progress could have been made at any time before that date; with a cross-party group or otherwise. We were subsequently due to leave by 29th March 2019. How did that go again?

The Nation voted by majority for Brexit. That's democracy.

The landslide GE result would suggest that many who did not vote for Brexit at the referendum indirectly did so in what was effectively a second vote last December so not sure how many have passed since then.

Lastly, although Article 50 was invoked in March 2017, there should have been people working on Brexit in advance. It's called preparation. To exit the EU 3 and a half years after the vote was disgraceful, whoever was in charge.

As for the rest of your post; zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:25 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:03 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:59 pm
No, No, No, No, No!

That simply won't do dear chap!!

That's just Thor-like swervery' and it simply won't do!!!

Your response truly has the depth of a grain of sand.

You stated that 'cross-party politicians' should have "got on with it".

You haven't explained why all political parties should have helped; in particular, the points I've made about The Labour Party.

You've also swerved what exactly it was that politicians 'should have been getting on with' - and why things didn't quite go as swimmingly as planned.

Must try harder!

I await your in-depth, meaningful response; rather than your pointless 'we won, get over it' rhetoric.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Dear oh dear.

Both 'the algorithm' and your course tutor have awarded you with a non-grade U.

School report: "Since showing promise since passing his Eleven-Plus, Ornchurch appears to lack enthusiasm at times; retreating into his shell whenever difficult questions are asked. A likeable lad.....but seems to Zzzzzzzz far too much. Must try harder, if he is to fulfil his potential"

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:06 pm https://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/ar ... 30786b.jpg

Sounds like Orn is talking about Fawaje !!

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:50 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:06 pm https://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/ar ... 30786b.jpg

Sounds like Orn is talking about Fawaje !!

Ah bless. Tuffers is standing up for his 'fwiend'

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:10 pm Now Now Ornchurch - there's no bullying allowed in this school.

Get to the back of the class.

Oh dear......you already are.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:19 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:10 pm Now Now Ornchurch - there's no bullying allowed in this school.

Get to the back of the class.

Oh dear......you already are.

Is that in the corner facing the wall Nun ?

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:40 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:19 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:10 pm Now Now Ornchurch - there's no bullying allowed in this school.

Get to the back of the class.

Oh dear......you already are.

Is that in the corner facing the wall Nun ?

Forum Fwiends

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:42 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:20 pm Glad to see the party of law and order deliver once more with a tough sentanence for the brother of the Manchester bomber 55 years behind bars.

Good riddance to bad scum.

RIP all those that suffered at his and his brothers hands.

Shame they were a lot more relaxed to the various terrorists they let out of prison before they killed people.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:29 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:38 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:03 pm

Firstly, irrrespective of whatever way you want to spin it, it was the decision of SOME of the Nation; NOT THE Nation; as you have quite incorrectly alluded to.

Many of course that voted for Brexit ard now pushing up the daisies; so this entire clusterf**k, that they helped to create, isn't even going to affect them.

I'm confused why you state Jan 2017; Theresa May didn't declare our withdrawal, by invoking Article 50 until 29th March 2017; so I'm not quite sure what progress could have been made at any time before that date; with a cross-party group or otherwise. We were subsequently due to leave by 29th March 2019. How did that go again?

The Nation voted by majority for Brexit. That's democracy.

The landslide GE result would suggest that many who did not vote for Brexit at the referendum indirectly did so in what was effectively a second vote last December so not sure how many have passed since then.

Lastly, although Article 50 was invoked in March 2017, there should have been people working on Brexit in advance. It's called preparation. To exit the EU 3 and a half years after the vote was disgraceful, whoever was in charge.

As for the rest of your post; zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

In a nice bit of irony, 52% of the electorate voted for parties who either advocated a second referendum or outright cancelling article 50.

Johnson's government is doing exactly what I worried a government would following the referendum, invoking the will of the people as a pretext to hoard power and taken on all liberal (in the classic sense) institutions that provide checks on that hoarding. They want a reversion to the elected dictatorship they associate with Britain's glory days. Obviously that is extremely undesirable in itself, but it's made all the worse when it's a bunch of actual f*cking idiots hoarding the power.

Those liberal institutions are essential to a properly functioning democracy. I'd be disgusted if Labour tried to destroy them as well, this isn't a left Vs right thing.

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:57 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:39 am

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:16 am
If the politicians had got on with what?

What have they been getting on with?

What did David Davis achieve in his two years as Brexit Secretary?

Or Dominic Raab - who dropped it like a hot potato after four months?

What about Stephen Barclay - during his tenure of almost 15 months?

Do you mean to tell me that these highly paid, Tory Ministers achieved zilch? Not very good, is it.

How many extensions have we been kindly granted by the EU?

When will the UK actually be in a position to explain to the EU what it actually wants?

Is the border issue of checks between Ireland/UK even resolved yet?

How many WTO deals have we got in place? I think we've got deals with The Faroe Islands and Kosovo in place; so no need to panic I suppose.

The good old No Deal scenario, eh? The UK's economic saviour. Undertaking trade with the EU, under WTO rules; whereby tariffs would be applied to most goods which UK businesses send to the EU. This would make UK goods more expensive and harder to sell in Europe; but let's not worry about the finer points of detail.

Obviously, WTO terms would also mean full border checks for goods; which will cause traffic bottlenecks at ports and lead to significant delays. Still.......we've got the overspill lorry parks lined up - so it won't be a problem, will it.

Altogether, wave your Union Jacks and sing along with me Tory Boys - "there'll always be an England"...........

I really don’t think I can take much more of this government. They are completely doing my head in.

If only we could have known how they’d behave, eh.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:45 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:29 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:38 pm

The Nation voted by majority for Brexit. That's democracy.

The landslide GE result would suggest that many who did not vote for Brexit at the referendum indirectly did so in what was effectively a second vote last December so not sure how many have passed since then.

Lastly, although Article 50 was invoked in March 2017, there should have been people working on Brexit in advance. It's called preparation. To exit the EU 3 and a half years after the vote was disgraceful, whoever was in charge.

As for the rest of your post; zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

In a nice bit of irony, 52% of the electorate voted for parties who either advocated a second referendum or outright cancelling article 50.

Johnson's government is doing exactly what I worried a government would following the referendum, invoking the will of the people as a pretext to hoard power and taken on all liberal (in the classic sense) institutions that provide checks on that hoarding. They want a reversion to the elected dictatorship they associate with Britain's glory days. Obviously that is extremely undesirable in itself, but it's made all the worse when it's a bunch of actual f*cking idiots hoarding the power.

Those liberal institutions are essential to a properly functioning democracy. I'd be disgusted if Labour tried to destroy them as well, this isn't a left Vs right thing.

I'd suggest that the last elective dictatorship was under Blair. Would you agree?

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:45 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:29 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:38 pm

The Nation voted by majority for Brexit. That's democracy.

The landslide GE result would suggest that many who did not vote for Brexit at the referendum indirectly did so in what was effectively a second vote last December so not sure how many have passed since then.

Lastly, although Article 50 was invoked in March 2017, there should have been people working on Brexit in advance. It's called preparation. To exit the EU 3 and a half years after the vote was disgraceful, whoever was in charge.

As for the rest of your post; zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

In a nice bit of irony, 52% of the electorate voted for parties who either advocated a second referendum or outright cancelling article 50.

Johnson's government is doing exactly what I worried a government would following the referendum, invoking the will of the people as a pretext to hoard power and taken on all liberal (in the classic sense) institutions that provide checks on that hoarding. They want a reversion to the elected dictatorship they associate with Britain's glory days. Obviously that is extremely undesirable in itself, but it's made all the worse when it's a bunch of actual f*cking idiots hoarding the power.

Those liberal institutions are essential to a properly functioning democracy. I'd be disgusted if Labour tried to destroy them as well, this isn't a left Vs right thing.

I'd suggest that the last elective dictatorship was under Blair. Would you agree?