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Here's the range of measures they are taking at Schools in China:


Meanwhile, can you guess which Country this will be?


'Stay Alert'.

Use Hazard Tape.

Do you think it is possible that the 'Tory Fibs' twitter feed might possibly not be completely objective, or perhaps bend the facts a little.

Like for example, the '8 minute' study that did not involve C19 or any other virus. In fact, all this amounts to, is when people breathe out, your breath contains some moist particles (a bit like breathing out on a cold winter morning). Maybe the teachers could wear masks to keep these droplets in?

Good luck trying to muffle your instruction to a classroom full of 4 and 5 year olds through a face mask.

Tory Fibs sounds like an impartial account that in no way could be stupid enough to share state propaganda that's then shared by other idiots.

Doesn't seem much point in kids distancing. But I read that it only takes one kid to die and media would be all over it, which is what the govt are bothered about, not the kid dying.

So far the evidence suggests little risk of major outbreaks in schools. One study in Australia, and the British Medical Journal concluding 'Governments worldwide should allow all children back to school'

That should not diminish the justified fears of parents about safety of their children and it should be up to them whether they send their children back.

But that does not mean schools should stay shut or implement the drastic measures shown in the "Tory Fibs" twitter feed.

It's going to be the big political and press issue this week.

Great bit of news locally here

After months of inactivity and multiple rumours it wasn't happening. Builders have returned to the new Waitrose site

I think some people on this forum should think about moving to some of the States in the US. Perhaps you would get that freedom you cringe for. The rest of us will not unduly risk heading back into an even more extended lockdown.

Senior minister Michael Gove told parents it was safe to send their kids back to school... then seconds later changed his mind.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... r-22042537

My Daughter will be going back to school as soon as she's allowed for both her sanity and her parents. We have no-one in our family who's considered high risk and me and the other half are both in our 40's. If she stays off school till there's a vaccine then she'll be off for a year and will harm her education considerably.

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am Senior minister Michael Gove told parents it was safe to send their kids back to school... then seconds later changed his mind.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... r-22042537

I actually watched this


What he actually said was that they'll be as safe as the general public and that everyone is at risk of getting it unless they stay locked up in there own homes for 12 months. Which is bleedin obvious to most of us. The daily mirror surely wouldn't have any bias against the tory party would it.

Kids have more chance of being killed in a RTA on the way to school than they do of contracting the virus and subsequently dying of it.

But this whole mess is causing a load of policy issues, as well as anxious reading of public liability insurance policies. There's just no risk-free way out of this.

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:57 am Kids have more chance of being killed in a RTA on the way to school than they do of contracting the virus and subsequently dying of it.

Link?

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:57 am Kids have more chance of being killed in a RTA on the way to school than they do of contracting the virus and subsequently dying of it.

But this whole mess is causing a load of policy issues, as well as anxious reading of public liability insurance policies. There's just no risk-free way out of this.

Complete speculative nonsense.

RedO wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:08 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:57 am Kids have more chance of being killed in a RTA on the way to school than they do of contracting the virus and subsequently dying of it.

Link?

Easy (see below). Accept that there's a higher risk of kids bringing the virus back into households, where people at greater risk may catch it. Gove, however, is calling this right, IMO. Little by little we need to start getting back to normal. Either we start this now or we'll do it later anyway, but the more we wait the greater the damage on the economy and other aspects of our lives.

RedO wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:08 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:57 am Kids have more chance of being killed in a RTA on the way to school than they do of contracting the virus and subsequently dying of it.

Link?

Posted this before

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 1:16 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:08 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:57 am Kids have more chance of being killed in a RTA on the way to school than they do of contracting the virus and subsequently dying of it.

Link?

Posted this before

How do we read this? For example, for a 90 year old there is a 10% chance of dying each year but does the 10% chance of dying of Coronavirus get added to that or is it separate (i.e. is there now a 20% chance of dying or is it still 10%?)

So anyone under the age of 60 has less risk of dying if they catch coronavirus? Seems legit.

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:59 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:08 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:57 am Kids have more chance of being killed in a RTA on the way to school than they do of contracting the virus and subsequently dying of it.

Link?

Easy (see below). Accept that there's a higher risk of kids bringing the virus back into households, where people at greater risk may catch it. Gove, however, is calling this right, IMO. Little by little we need to start getting back to normal. Either we start this now or we'll do it later anyway, but the more we wait the greater the damage on the economy and other aspects of our lives.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 1:29 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 1:16 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:08 pm

Link?

Posted this before

How do we read this? For example, for a 90 year old there is a 10% chance of dying each year but does the 10% chance of dying of Coronavirus get added to that or is it separate (i.e. is there now a 20% chance of dying or is it still 10%?)

Yes added I believe

So after you're 60, your risk of dying doubles if you catch coronavirus?, under 60 it merely increases by, say, 80-90% ?

JimbO wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:39 am

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am Senior minister Michael Gove told parents it was safe to send their kids back to school... then seconds later changed his mind.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... r-22042537

I actually watched this


What he actually said was that they'll be as safe as the general public and that everyone is at risk of getting it unless they stay locked up in there own homes for 12 months. Which is bleedin obvious to most of us. The daily mirror surely wouldn't have any bias against the tory party would it.

Some schools wont be opening though .
I wonder why ?

StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 2:07 pm So after you're 60, your risk of dying doubles if you catch coronavirus?, under 60 it merely increases by, say, 80-90% ?

Yes but when your baseline risk is 0.01-0.1% it doesn't seem like a big deal.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 3:31 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 2:07 pm So after you're 60, your risk of dying doubles if you catch coronavirus?, under 60 it merely increases by, say, 80-90% ?

Yes but when your baseline risk is 0.01-0.1% it doesn't seem like a big deal.

Absolutely, and this highlights how headlines stating "xyz can halve the risk from ..." or "doing this thing now and again doubles your risk of abc" are so easily misunderstood - despite being quite exciting headlines and technically correct.

I remember fondly, explaining probability relating to lottery tickets to CEB all those years ago - eventually managing to put him right on one or two things he was unsure of.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 4:03 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 3:31 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 2:07 pm So after you're 60, your risk of dying doubles if you catch coronavirus?, under 60 it merely increases by, say, 80-90% ?

Yes but when your baseline risk is 0.01-0.1% it doesn't seem like a big deal.

Absolutely, and this highlights how headlines stating "xyz can halve the risk from ..." or "doing this thing now and again doubles your risk of abc" are so easily misunderstood - despite being quite exciting headlines and technically correct.

I remember fondly, explaining probability relating to lottery tickets to CEB all those years ago - eventually managing to put him right on one or two things he was unsure of.

Inconceivable