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Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:17 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Imagine being upset by some men bending down on one knee for 2 or seconds.
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:42 pm
by Long slender neck
StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:27 pm
Maybe we should think about "taking the knee" like we think about wearing poppies?
I don't think anyone should be scapegoated for not taking the knee, in exactly the same way as I don't think anyone should be scapegoated for not wearing a poppy. But if someone wants to take a knee, or wear a poppy, what business is that of anyone else? - who is it hurting? taking the knee takes a second or two, so it's baffling to me how it gets some so worked up.
An organisation insisting that its employees do not take a knee, however, strikes me as that organisation actually making a statement about its view on racism in general and BLM in particular. Can you imagine the furore if a business or sports team banned its employees from wearing a poppy?
Personally I am just not a fan of pointless gestures and fads- be that poppies, taking a knee or clapping the NHS.
The harm is like Les Ferdinand says- people think it is achieving something and little is done about the real problem.
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:43 pm
by Max B Gold
RedO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:17 pm
Imagine being upset by some men bending down on one knee for 2 or seconds.
It's like the kind of people who do are nasty, bitter, twisted bigoted racists.
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:46 pm
by Max B Gold
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:42 pm
StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:27 pm
Maybe we should think about "taking the knee" like we think about wearing poppies?
I don't think anyone should be scapegoated for not taking the knee, in exactly the same way as I don't think anyone should be scapegoated for not wearing a poppy. But if someone wants to take a knee, or wear a poppy, what business is that of anyone else? - who is it hurting? taking the knee takes a second or two, so it's baffling to me how it gets some so worked up.
An organisation insisting that its employees do not take a knee, however, strikes me as that organisation actually making a statement about its view on racism in general and BLM in particular. Can you imagine the furore if a business or sports team banned its employees from wearing a poppy?
Personally I am just not a fan of pointless gestures and fads- be that poppies, taking a knee or clapping the NHS.
The harm is like Les Ferdinand says- people think it is achieving something and little is done about the real problem.
What do you suggest is done about the real problem ?
The gestures are not intrinsically pointless. They raise awareness which is all they seek to do.
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:51 pm
by tuffers#1
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:43 pm
RedO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:17 pm
Imagine being upset by some men bending down on one knee for 2 or seconds.
It's like the kind of people who do are nasty bitter and twisted bigoted racists.
" All Lives Matter " .
Cant wait to use that line the next time Farage is in
The English Channel chasing Refugees !
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:20 pm
by Thor
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:46 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:42 pm
StillSpike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:27 pm
Maybe we should think about "taking the knee" like we think about wearing poppies?
I don't think anyone should be scapegoated for not taking the knee, in exactly the same way as I don't think anyone should be scapegoated for not wearing a poppy. But if someone wants to take a knee, or wear a poppy, what business is that of anyone else? - who is it hurting? taking the knee takes a second or two, so it's baffling to me how it gets some so worked up.
An organisation insisting that its employees do not take a knee, however, strikes me as that organisation actually making a statement about its view on racism in general and BLM in particular. Can you imagine the furore if a business or sports team banned its employees from wearing a poppy?
Personally I am just not a fan of pointless gestures and fads- be that poppies, taking a knee or clapping the NHS.
The harm is like Les Ferdinand says- people think it is achieving something and little is done about the real problem.
What do you suggest is done about the real problem ?
The gestures are not intrinsically pointless. They raise awareness which is all they seek to do.
Ok, raising awareness does not necessarily fix the problem though does it? Yes people may demand that this that or the other is done, but will anything fundamental change? Like Sir Les said he’s been saying the same thing for years and years, in fact he says he will not speak about it if asked anymore, that’s quite a statement to make,
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:53 pm
by Max B Gold
Sorry Thor. I've got you on block because you have a reputation for posting contradictory drivel.
I am therefore unable to reply to what is probably a brain fart of a post.
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:54 am
by Ornchurch
Rumbling on as a major discussion point on TalkSport this morning.
Various pundits (is that OK Tuffers?) saying it is out of order to stop whilst some agreeing with Les Ferdinand.
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:30 am
by Ronnie Hotdogs
What should we do to stop racism then, ornchurch?
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:42 am
by Ornchurch
RedO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:30 am
What should we do to stop racism then, ornchurch?
No idea. What do you think?
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:47 am
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:42 am
RedO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:30 am
What should we do to stop racism then, ornchurch?
No idea. What do you think?
Damn, thought you had some inside knowledge.
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:58 am
by Max B Gold
RedO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:47 am
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:42 am
RedO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:30 am
What should we do to stop racism then, ornchurch?
No idea. What do you think?
Damn, thought you had some inside knowledge.
With respect that was the wrong question you asked there Redo/PoliticsO/et al
You first need to establish if Horno wants to eradicate racism. I doubt he does.
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:41 pm
by Ornchurch
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:58 am
RedO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:47 am
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:42 am
No idea. What do you think?
Damn, thought you had some inside knowledge.
With respect that was the wrong question you asked there Redo/PoliticsO/et al
You first need to establish if Horno wants to eradicate racism. I doubt he does.
I'd love to eradicate real racism.
I'd also love to eradicate the false accusations, double standards and point scoring around racism.
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:47 pm
by Max B Gold
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:41 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:58 am
RedO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:47 am
Damn, thought you had some inside knowledge.
With respect that was the wrong question you asked there Redo/PoliticsO/et al
You first need to establish if Horno wants to eradicate racism. I doubt he does.
I'd love to eradicate real racism.
I'd also love to eradicate the false accusations, double standards and point scoring around racism.
I'm delighted to hear that and look forward to your suggestions on how to achieve this.
Btw what is "real racism"?
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:48 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
I see what you mean, maxy.
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:57 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Jut about to join a webex call called 'Alleyship is a verb that crosses boundaries'. Will let you all know how it goes
Re: "Taking the knee"
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:01 pm
by Long slender neck
Theres no quick fix. Time and education i suppose