Independent Leyton Orient Forum

"I don't know what the fuss is about, just buy a new car and be damned with it, theyre relatively cheap these days"

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:14 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:10 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 1:09 pm

When they define your car as one of those "sh*t cars" it'll be a different tune

I don’t agree with it but isn’t akin to being under communist rule. There are far too many cars on the road now, something needs to be done about it.

Long as its someone elses car thats taken off the road, youll be ok with that?
Also whats 'too many cars'?

I got rid of my car 3 years ago because I didn’t need it. I’ve done my bit.
As in, compared to 10 years ago, the traffic in Waltham Forest is ridiculous. People are making journeys they just don’t need to make.

Can’t say I’ve noticed that increase in Waltham Forest. Do you have any data to support that idea?

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 3:56 pm Can’t say I’ve noticed that increase in Waltham Forest. Do you have any data to support that idea?

So its not only football you don’t use your eyes for.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 3:57 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 3:56 pm Can’t say I’ve noticed that increase in Waltham Forest. Do you have any data to support that idea?

So its not only football you don’t use your eyes for.

Can I see this data please?

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:03 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 3:57 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 3:56 pm Can’t say I’ve noticed that increase in Waltham Forest. Do you have any data to support that idea?

So its not only football you don’t use your eyes for.

Can I see this data please?

Cars registered to a Waltham Forest address

2003 10,876
2013 14,721
2023 31,829

Source?
Besides,
that’s registered number of cars, not traffic data.

Having lived in the area around ground for all my life I noticed in recent years a substantial reduction of traffic in Leyton High Road throughout the day and an easier route than the rat runs , many of which do not exist anymore.

I miss Percy Ingles on my way to a match as I used to get a cheese roll for half time as do not like any of the stodge they sell at ground and the rolls are normally gone in the Supporters Bar

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:01 pm If folks decided to get shot of their smoke belching old grids then Khan wouldn’t make a penny would he.

Maybe that’s the aim here? As Spike has already pointed out, a blanket ban on old grids would bring hellfire down on Khan’s head. Surcharging the worst polluters is currently a reasonable way to encourage owners of such cars to get shot. As another poster has already mentioned, it doesn’t cost a fortune to get an Ulez compliant car.

It does if you haven't got the money

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:55 pm "I don't know what the fuss is about, just buy a new car and be damned with it, theyre relatively cheap these days"

What planet are you on

Type high wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:32 pm

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:55 pm "I don't know what the fuss is about, just buy a new car and be damned with it, theyre relatively cheap these days"

What planet are you on

I dont suppose you understood why I used quotation marks ??

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:53 pm

Type high wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:32 pm

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:55 pm "I don't know what the fuss is about, just buy a new car and be damned with it, theyre relatively cheap these days"

What planet are you on

I dont suppose you understood why I used quotation marks ??

Or your spelling of they're.
one each

Type high wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:28 am

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:53 pm

Type high wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:32 pm

What planet are you on

I dont suppose you understood why I used quotation marks ??

Or your spelling of they're.
one each

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:10 am

ChorizO wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 1:26 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:10 pm

Its not what i think, its what people who know what their talking about, and Ive read a few accounts from these people saying it wont make much difference.
Even the most polluting cars are not that polluting, as they were say 30 years ago. Cars are cleaner than they have been in recent history.
I genuinely believe the amount of pollution removed will be minimal, and the cost is astronomical

Then you genuinely have no idea what you are talking about.

Or maybe its you who have no idea what your talking about?

I am not passing comment, only judgement.

The Advertising Standards Agency (ASA) has found that Sadiq Khan misled Londoners about the benefits of ULEZ in TFL and GLA adverts.

https://www.independent.co.uk/business/ ... 91810.html

Claims made about pollution reduction were based on models and not actual facts. Same for claims about deaths related to pollution.

TFL have dismissed Khan's lies as "minor technical points".

But remember "Every Journey matters to the Mayor".

Who isn't annoyed by that advert?

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:23 pm The Advertising Standards Agency (ASA) has found that Sadiq Khan misled Londoners about the benefits of ULEZ in TFL and GLA adverts.

https://www.independent.co.uk/business/ ... 91810.html

Claims made about pollution reduction were based on models and not actual facts. Same for claims about deaths related to pollution.

TFL have dismissed Khan's lies as "minor technical points".

Sadiq Khan made the advert did he? Any reason you're focussing on him?

If you dont believe that reducing journeys made by the most polluting vehicles reduces pollution then...

Lets face it, this country has a lot of selfish people in it who are not willing to do anything at all for the greater good.

Racists will hate Khan whatever he does.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:55 pm

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:23 pm The Advertising Standards Agency (ASA) has found that Sadiq Khan misled Londoners about the benefits of ULEZ in TFL and GLA adverts.

https://www.independent.co.uk/business/ ... 91810.html

Claims made about pollution reduction were based on models and not actual facts. Same for claims about deaths related to pollution.

TFL have dismissed Khan's lies as "minor technical points".

Sadiq Khan made the advert did he? Any reason you're focussing on him?

If you dont believe that reducing journeys made by the most polluting vehicles reduces pollution then...

Lets face it, this country has a lot of selfish people in it who are not willing to do anything at all for the greater good.

Racists will hate Khan whatever he does.

Khan would have signed off on the adverts, and the messages in them are ones he has conveyed on more than one occasion.

And of course reducing journeys made by polluting vehicles reduces pollution.

The issue here - upheld by the ASA - is that the adverts were misleading. They claimed something which was either not factually correct or which was not proven.

If you're just focussing on the "Khan lies'" part of what I said, then we can argue as to whether he "lied" or "misled", with a bit of journalistic license thrown in. But ultimately he is responsible for ULEZ and the millions of pounds spent on it. He's happy to claim credit for it, it's his baby, he says that in his biography.

Most likely racists will hate Khan whatever he does. But if your point is that "any criticism of Khan must be racist" - together with what you imply with the statement "Any reason you're focussing on him" - it's a pretty poor one.

Even if the ads are misleading the fact remains that getting rid of fume-belching old grids or, at least, reducing their useage is going to improve air quality.

Is that such a bad thing to aim for?

Lets look at the 'lie'

The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) said claims made by Transport for London (TfL), which runs Ulez, that levels of nitrogen dioxide (NO2) had reduced by almost half as a result of the scheme were not based on measurements of air quality taken before and after it was implemented, as listeners of the radio ad might expect.

Instead, TfL based its claim on calculating the difference between current air quality measurements and a “non-Ulez scenario”

This does not seem like a big deal. You agree that pollution will be reduced by ulez. NO2 is a particular pollutant and there will be other factors at play also. I'd be interested to see the actual figures a couple of years down the line.

I doubt Khan oversees tfl's marketing dept, but as mayor he takes overall responsibility.

I see conspiracy theorists like Piers Corbyn and other nutters in a right froth over this- and i do think there is a far right element to it, cameras vandalised, protests etc and its all in the name of selfish motorists which we've given over much of this country to.

There's no war on the motorist, they've been waging war on everyone else for a century.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -and-abuse

Tories running loads of vile anti ulez groups on Facebook

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 8:45 pm https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -and-abuse

Tories running loads of vile anti ulez groups on Facebook

This is horrible, the racism is disgusting. The police should be taking action, on people who express these digusting vile views, particularly calls to kill the Mayor

Dark times we live in when mainstream political parties are running networks of Facebook groups to stoke hatred and conspiracy theories.