Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Hedmans Header wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:31 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:26 am

Hedmans Header wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:52 am I’m just gonna say it KJ isn’t the problem
at the club if he was allowed to manage and
bring his own players in we’d be in a lot
healthy place ..
If KJ goes we’ll only in the same position pre
Fletcher or RE getting the job, whilst we
missed an opportunity getting Adams in, he
was allowed totally unfashionable Morecambe to
league one ..

Morecambe Currently in a relegation spot .

Last time I looked he wasn’t there manager
anymore................

Says a lot
Promoted last year now gone there in the relegation zone

Go up when we are ready to survive up there

Errrr

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:19 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:31 pm ....

If the board spend more we get more .
....

Yep , more DEBT, more risk of following in footsteps of Bury, Macclesfield etc. Orient have been there recently and its not pleasant

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:31 pm We can't spend Big in 1 year so it has to be done
With PATIENCE .

And your point is what exactly ?

It`s ok that we had three young players in our team, but the average age in our starting eleven was 25,7 years.

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:49 am Any Orient side in distant memory would have struggled with all of our injuries. Castle, Hales were decent of course and I agree our midfield needed strengthening but any side would be in trouble. Even a top Arsenal or United side of recent years would not cope well losing seven first teamers.

If we want players we either have to offer them a decent contract (like Khan I assume) or we go after a Nouble and say win yourself a contract you’re finished at Colchester. Or we gamble on some youngsters and hope they are good enough.

We have been unlucky.

We will never know, but I suspect that KJ only agreed to bring in the 3 inexperienced players because the budget available didnt allow us to bring in the midfield experience he needed. He was patently right to go for Khan and Nouble as we were also light in both those positions. I supoort KJ 100%.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:46 am Errrr

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:19 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:31 pm ....

If the board spend more we get more .
....

Yep , more DEBT, more risk of following in footsteps of Bury, Macclesfield etc. Orient have been there recently and its not pleasant

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:31 pm We can't spend Big in 1 year so it has to be done
With PATIENCE .

And your point is what exactly ?

And your point is what exactly ?

Hedmans Header wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:31 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:26 am

Hedmans Header wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:52 am I’m just gonna say it KJ isn’t the problem
at the club if he was allowed to manage and
bring his own players in we’d be in a lot
healthy place ..
If KJ goes we’ll only in the same position pre
Fletcher or RE getting the job, whilst we
missed an opportunity getting Adams in, he
was allowed totally unfashionable Morecambe to
league one ..

Morecambe Currently in a relegation spot .

Last time I looked he wasn’t there manager
anymore................

Bradford not doing great

However the transfer committee is set up, it didn't work for January if you're looking at this season. Maybe these will be good long term investments but it's meant we've basically thrown away a potential promotion push. It's very disappointing. I can't see Jackett staying in post beyond this season and given that this is our third season treading water in league 2, I'd be really surprised if Ling's role isn't coming into question.

Keeping it on thread and about the interview, i agree with pretty much everything kenny had to say in there. And on reflection, given the players available (Wood and the ‘ill’ Smith excluded), that the was the right team and right game plan to go for.

However, that’s the first interview where it looks like the situation. Is getting to him and his answers were a bit forced.

Bergen wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:48 am It`s ok that we had three young players in our team, but the average age in our starting eleven was 25,7 years.

The team was deliberately older and wiser last night. It’s what’s needed at a time like this.

aylesburyos wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:21 am

Hedmans Header wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:31 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:26 am

Morecambe Currently in a relegation spot .

Last time I looked he wasn’t there manager
anymore................

Bradford not doing great

But you’re happy to overlook the fact
that he got unfashionable, limited budget
Morecambe promoted ??

I didn't watch but did having 4 centre backs in defence, three of them slow as snails, work at all? And with two non wingers on the flanks? Looks like a dreadful first 11 tbh, but if we were going there for a point then it nearly came off.

Of course if Drinan and Beckles had scored as they should have then we would be having a completely different conversation. It’s not all Kenny’s fault.

The manager is responsible for the teams performance and the results, KJ accepts praise when we win, so he should accept the criticism on here when we lose.
If we would have somehow won and got 3 points, yes we would have said we’ll done KJ, but we didn’t, we lost again & again we did not score, so the bad run of results goes on.

If you win, it’s well done, you picked a winning team on to next game.

With defeat comes criticism and analysis of KJ selection and tactics, which is what we seem to be doing during and after every game at the moment, me included.

We need a break, an early goal to give the players belief they can score an can win & then we can start to build up the confidence again, but sadly looking at the starting 11 in recent games, I cannot see where the win is coming from as do not have any creativity in the team to create chances and score goals.

Worrying times, and whatever some boarders on here want to say and believe (as they are either deluded and don’t want to accept it or just love winding us all up) we need to stop the rot as we are dropping like a stone into what is a relegation fight.

Is always tough being an Orient fan, but these are really tough times, and we all know what happened when we last went on a run like this in L2, so let’s hope we can stop the rot and soon.

Possibly we are going to have a merry go round of player illness that we didn’t have due to playing for a month.

Those players that didn’t get covid over December, might now contract it due to playing against opponents, so maybe why this extra layer of illness is being experienced here mo so than other clubs.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:53 am I didn't watch but did having 4 centre backs in defence, three of them slow as snails, work at all? And with two non wingers on the flanks? Looks like a dreadful first 11 tbh, but if we were going there for a point then it nearly came off.

The line up undoubtedly worked. We restricted them to 2 chances all game and managed to steal 2 similar chances of our own. And with the personnel ‘available’, I can’t come up with a better line up.

It was a bloody painful watch though.

Sounds like Wood is just not going to play for the club again no matter how bad things get.

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:15 am

Hedmans Header wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:30 am If the budget is so tight and limited
why waste it on Frank from Colchester when
we have Ruel sitting in the bench all season ?..

Also when we once had a decent midfield of
Hales, Castle and Howard if any of these players
got injured or were out of form ( which never
happened with these 3), we’d always have a
Steve Baker or Kenny Achmapong to jump in
there place ...... it was called competition for
places

Not convinced Ruel is the answer. Not a target man, and doesn't hold the ball up. Feeds off scraps and we aren't making any.

Would have buried the chances Drinan missed in the past few games.

But wouldn’t have done any of the work Drinnan got through.

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:15 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:46 am Errrr

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:19 am

Yep , more DEBT, more risk of following in footsteps of Bury, Macclesfield etc. Orient have been there recently and its not pleasant

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:31 pm We can't spend Big in 1 year so it has to be done
With PATIENCE .

And your point is what exactly ?

And your point is what exactly ?

And your point is what exactly ?

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 5:18 pm But wouldn’t have done any of the work Drinnan got through.

I think I'd rather have a lazy sod who scores goals than a work horse who couldn't hit a barn door with a beach ball. I'm not talking about Drinan but just saying in general .

Petrov788 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 5:05 pm

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:15 am

Hedmans Header wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:30 am If the budget is so tight and limited
why waste it on Frank from Colchester when
we have Ruel sitting in the bench all season ?..

Also when we once had a decent midfield of
Hales, Castle and Howard if any of these players
got injured or were out of form ( which never
happened with these 3), we’d always have a
Steve Baker or Kenny Achmapong to jump in
there place ...... it was called competition for
places

Not convinced Ruel is the answer. Not a target man, and doesn't hold the ball up. Feeds off scraps and we aren't making any.

Would have buried the chances Drinan missed in the past few games.

Drinan has scored more goals for Orient than Sotoriou has in twice as many appearances.
Drinan also passes to other players occasionally.

Anyone seriously suggesting Ruel should start ahead of Drinnan is a f*cking lunatic.

Of course you could play both of them....They are both better finishers than Smith. I wouldn't drop Drinan, he works hard and has the best movement of our strikers, I just wish it was Ruel one on one with the keeper. Ruel came on too late to affect the game, just like every other sub appearance.

Petrov788 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:20 pm Of course you could play both of them....They are both better finishers than Smith. I wouldn't drop Drinan, he works hard and has the best movement of our strikers, I just wish it was Ruel one on one with the keeper. Ruel came on too late to affect the game, just like every other sub appearance.

We could try them both together on Saturday. We’ve got to start finding goals from somewhere

Strange goings on with Wood. He signed a two year contract and doesn't look as though he will be here next season despite, in my opinion, having not put in a bad performance to date.