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Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:44 pm

Real Al wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:25 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:53 pm Shall we talk about how we have the most people employed in this country ever? Jobs created by companies working off of the back of the infrastructure, policies and direction provided by government.

Hmm, while that is good news, reduction in unemployment is pretty much a trend across the G7 and elsewhere. Not sure our government's policies can take too much credit.

Then look at the economic numbers and compare those with others. They stand up pretty well, very well in fact. As do future projections. Went under the radar but last quarterly economic growth exceeded estimates and better than our European neighbours.

But good news is no news these day. But it’s out there amongst the bad stuff.

Just had a quick look at employment data, will study a bit closer, but it seems that only the Netherlands has better figures than the U.K. but a quick look so I stand to be corrected. Data seem a bit retrospective so the shift you mention could well be right. But I doubt there is much in it. I suppose it could be said we are doing as well/badly as others.

Looks like the U.K. has an employment rate of 75.5%. The EU average Has not exceeded this based on data going back to 2009. And as of 1st quarter 2021 numbers were in decline.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:57 pm We have more foodbanks than branches of McDonalds. We're clearly doing brilliantly, economically speaking. (i.e. being economical with the truth)

Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:58 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:44 pm

Real Al wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:25 pm

Hmm, while that is good news, reduction in unemployment is pretty much a trend across the G7 and elsewhere. Not sure our government's policies can take too much credit.

Then look at the economic numbers and compare those with others. They stand up pretty well, very well in fact. As do future projections. Went under the radar but last quarterly economic growth exceeded estimates and better than our European neighbours.

But good news is no news these day. But it’s out there amongst the bad stuff.

Just had a quick look at employment data, will study a bit closer, but it seems that only the Netherlands has better figures than the U.K. but a quick look so I stand to be corrected. Data seem a bit retrospective so the shift you mention could well be right. But I doubt there is much in it. I suppose it could be said we are doing as well/badly as others.

Looks like the U.K. has an employment rate of 75.5%. The EU average Has not exceeded this based on data going back to 2009. And as of 1st quarter 2021 numbers were in decline.

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:08 am

Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:58 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:44 pm

Then look at the economic numbers and compare those with others. They stand up pretty well, very well in fact. As do future projections. Went under the radar but last quarterly economic growth exceeded estimates and better than our European neighbours.

But good news is no news these day. But it’s out there amongst the bad stuff.

Just had a quick look at employment data, will study a bit closer, but it seems that only the Netherlands has better figures than the U.K. but a quick look so I stand to be corrected. Data seem a bit retrospective so the shift you mention could well be right. But I doubt there is much in it. I suppose it could be said we are doing as well/badly as others.

Looks like the U.K. has an employment rate of 75.5%. The EU average Has not exceeded this based on data going back to 2009. And as of 1st quarter 2021 numbers were in decline.

The EU is a busted flush and we are better off out of it which once we get out of this endemic the better it will be for all in society, well let’s hope that’s one truth that Boris speaks of come true.

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:06 am

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:57 pm We have more foodbanks than branches of McDonalds. We're clearly doing brilliantly, economically speaking. (i.e. being economical with the truth)

That’s a blight to society of that I agree. It started under Sir Tony Blair and has got worse as time has progressed. Why successive governments allow this to happen is in my eyes criminal.

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:18 am Cos I’m right on Europe and I hope that Boris is telling the truth so that levelling up means exactly that. He will be held to account on it.

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:18 am Cos I’m right on Europe and I hope that Boris is telling the truth so that levelling up means exactly that. He will be held to account on it.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:41 am I found a benefit. With so many lorries parked up they won't be spewing their filthy diesel fumes into the environment.

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:02 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:41 am I found a benefit. With so many lorries parked up they won't be spewing their filthy diesel fumes into the environment.

As much as I hate the Tories and Brexit this particular queue is due to DFDS running one less ferry.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:08 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:02 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:41 am I found a benefit. With so many lorries parked up they won't be spewing their filthy diesel fumes into the environment.

As much as I hate the Tories and Brexit this particular queue is due to DFDS running one less ferry.

Can you prove that?

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:54 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:08 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:02 pm

As much as I hate the Tories and Brexit this particular queue is due to DFDS running one less ferry.

Can you prove that?

Just have to take my word about the Tories etc.
Here is the BBC report on the traffic jam https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-60096001
Is that ok m'lud?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:50 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:54 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:08 pm

Can you prove that?

Just have to take my word about the Tories etc.
Here is the BBC report on the traffic jam https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-60096001
Is that ok m'lud?

Oh come on chief. The BBC are just an extension of the Tories press office these days.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:56 pm How many lorries do they get on one of their ferries ?

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:06 am

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:57 pm We have more foodbanks than branches of McDonalds. We're clearly doing brilliantly, economically speaking. (i.e. being economical with the truth)

That’s a blight to society of that I agree. It started under Sir Tony Blair and has got worse as time has progressed. Why successive governments allow this to happen is in my eyes criminal.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:38 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:06 am

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:57 pm We have more foodbanks than branches of McDonalds. We're clearly doing brilliantly, economically speaking. (i.e. being economical with the truth)

That’s a blight to society of that I agree. It started under Sir Tony Sir Tony Blair and has got worse as time has progressed. Why successive governments allow this to happen is in my eyes criminal.

Its almost as if our neoliberal system just doesn’t work for everyone.

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:24 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:38 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:06 am

That’s a blight to society of that I agree. It started under Sir Tony Sir Tony Sir Tony Blair and has got worse as time has progressed. Why successive governments allow this to happen is in my eyes criminal.

Its almost as if our neoliberal system just doesn’t work for everyone.

No system works for everyone. But by every metric, the last 70 years have been the best time to exist for anyone relative to their ancestors at any point in history.

But that era does appear to be over. I just don't think you're going to like what comes after. You may yet look back at the neoliberal era as the good old days.

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:06 am

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:57 pm We have more foodbanks than branches of McDonalds. We're clearly doing brilliantly, economically speaking. (i.e. being economical with the truth)

That’s a blight to society of that I agree. It started under Sir Tony Blair and has got worse as time has progressed. Why successive governments allow this to happen is in my eyes criminal.

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:24 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:38 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:06 am

That’s a blight to society of that I agree. It started under Sir Tony Sir Tony Sir Tony Blair and has got worse as time has progressed. Why successive governments allow this to happen is in my eyes criminal.

Its almost as if our neoliberal system just doesn’t work for everyone.

No system works for everyone. But by every metric, the last 70 years have been the best time to exist for anyone relative to their ancestors at any point in history.

But that era does appear to be over. I just don't think you're going to like what comes after. You may yet look back at the neoliberal era as the good old days.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:21 am

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:06 am

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:57 pm We have more foodbanks than branches of McDonalds. We're clearly doing brilliantly, economically speaking. (i.e. being economical with the truth)

That’s a blight to society of that I agree. It started under Sir Tony Sir Tony Blair and has got worse as time has progressed. Why successive governments allow this to happen is in my eyes criminal.

I think youll find food parcel sharing has been going long before Sir Tony Blair .

Here is photo proof from Th*tchers Britain as an example .


https://www.alamy.com/miners-strike-198 ... 23816.html

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:40 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:21 am

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:06 am

That’s a blight to society of that I agree. It started under Sir Tony Sir Tony Sir Tony Blair and has got worse as time has progressed. Why successive governments allow this to happen is in my eyes criminal.

I think youll find food parcel sharing has been going long before Sir Tony Sir Tony Blair .

Here is photo proof from Th*tchers Britain as an example .


https://www.alamy.com/miners-strike-198 ... 23816.html

That was one specific event Tuffers not everyday like it is now.