Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:14 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:59 pm As outlined in a statement recently aren't worth the paper they're written on

Firstly, fans should wear masks upon entry and in communal areas: Approximately 5% compliance today

Secondly, All Orient staff will be masked up from ticketing to catering to stewards: About 40% compliance today

Either the club are serious about this and how they've fluked out of Vaccine passports, just, or it's just a gimmick

If you are that bothered about getting a cold then don’t attend.
I would imagine the supporters club is the most likely place to catch this very mild virus and that is open with no restrictions.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:58 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:14 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:59 pm As outlined in a statement recently aren't worth the paper they're written on

Firstly, fans should wear masks upon entry and in communal areas: Approximately 5% compliance today

Secondly, All Orient staff will be masked up from ticketing to catering to stewards: About 40% compliance today

Either the club are serious about this and how they've fluked out of Vaccine passports, just, or it's just a gimmick

If you are that bothered about getting a cold then don’t attend.
I would imagine the supporters club is the most likely place to catch this very mild virus and that is open with no restrictions.

I thought u got permad ?

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:14 pm I would imagine the supporters club is the most likely place to catch this very mild virus and that is open with no restrictions.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:59 pm As outlined in a statement recently aren't worth the paper they're written on

Firstly, fans should wear masks upon entry and in communal areas: Approximately 5% compliance today

Secondly, All Orient staff will be masked up from ticketing to catering to stewards: About 40% compliance today

Either the club are serious about this and how they've fluked out of Vaccine passports, just, or it's just a gimmick

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:46 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:59 pm As outlined in a statement recently aren't worth the paper they're written on

Firstly, fans should wear masks upon entry and in communal areas: Approximately 5% compliance today

Secondly, All Orient staff will be masked up from ticketing to catering to stewards: About 40% compliance today

Either the club are serious about this and how they've fluked out of Vaccine passports, just, or it's just a gimmick

I suppose those that are worried about catching the virus, 'the 5%' wore masks to protect themselves. Understandably so and I would support their choice.

Those that aren't, 'the 95%' didn't, and that is of course their choice, and certainly in no way the club's fault. Their choosing to do this will not affect the 5%, since they are wearing masks to protect themselves.

Someone extremely senior at the club, but whom I will leave nameless, was in the supporters club after the game, without a mask, so we can assume he is also in the 95% bracket.

As for vaccine passports: clutching one of these doesn't stop the spread of the virus, nor indicate whether the bearer has the virus. Nor does it reduce the likelihood of the person Catching the virus, so there seems little point to these really.

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:46 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:59 pm As outlined in a statement recently aren't worth the paper they're written on

Firstly, fans should wear masks upon entry and in communal areas: Approximately 5% compliance today

Secondly, All Orient staff will be masked up from ticketing to catering to stewards: About 40% compliance today

Either the club are serious about this and how they've fluked out of Vaccine passports, just, or it's just a gimmick

I suppose those that are worried about catching the virus, 'the 5%' wore masks to protect themselves. Understandably so and I would support their choice.

Those that aren't, 'the 95%' didn't, and that is of course their choice, and certainly in no way the club's fault. Their choosing to do this will not affect the 5%, since they are wearing masks to protect themselves.

Someone extremely senior at the club, but whom I will leave nameless, was in the supporters club after the game, without a mask, so we can assume he is also in the 95% bracket.

As for vaccine passports: clutching one of these doesn't stop the spread of the virus, nor indicate whether the bearer has the virus. Nor does it reduce the likelihood of the person Catching the virus, so there seems little point to these really.

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:46 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:59 pm As outlined in a statement recently aren't worth the paper they're written on

Firstly, fans should wear masks upon entry and in communal areas: Approximately 5% compliance today

Secondly, All Orient staff will be masked up from ticketing to catering to stewards: About 40% compliance today

Either the club are serious about this and how they've fluked out of Vaccine passports, just, or it's just a gimmick

I suppose those that are worried about catching the virus, 'the 5%' wore masks to protect themselves. Understandably so and I would support their choice.

Those that aren't, 'the 95%' didn't, and that is of course their choice, and certainly in no way the club's fault. Their choosing to do this will not affect the 5%, since they are wearing masks to protect themselves.

Someone extremely senior at the club, but whom I will leave nameless, was in the supporters club after the game, without a mask, so we can assume he is also in the 95% bracket.

As for vaccine passports: clutching one of these doesn't stop the spread of the virus, nor indicate whether the bearer has the virus. Nor does it reduce the likelihood of the person Catching the virus, so there seems little point to these really.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:14 am

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:46 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:59 pm As outlined in a statement recently aren't worth the paper they're written on

Firstly, fans should wear masks upon entry and in communal areas: Approximately 5% compliance today

Secondly, All Orient staff will be masked up from ticketing to catering to stewards: About 40% compliance today

Either the club are serious about this and how they've fluked out of Vaccine passports, just, or it's just a gimmick

I suppose those that are worried about catching the virus, 'the 5%' wore masks to protect themselves. Understandably so and I would support their choice.

Those that aren't, 'the 95%' didn't, and that is of course their choice, and certainly in no way the club's fault. Their choosing to do this will not affect the 5%, since they are wearing masks to protect themselves.

Someone extremely senior at the club, but whom I will leave nameless, was in the supporters club after the game, without a mask, so we can assume he is also in the 95% bracket.

As for vaccine passports: clutching one of these doesn't stop the spread of the virus, nor indicate whether the bearer has the virus. Nor does it reduce the likelihood of the person Catching the virus, so there seems little point to these really.

This sort of rhetoric doesn’t help. People who wear masks aren’t necessarily worried. They’re just trying to do their bit for society and stop the virus from spreading.

No comment on the passport bit, that’s obviously just bollocks.

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:28 pm
On the second point: please could you explain how:

1) having a vaccine passport stops the virus spreading?
2) indicates whether the bearer of the passport has the virus?
3) reduces the likelihood of the bearer catching the virus?

My understanding was, that having the passport, and hence the double jab, Only reduced the symptoms of the virus for the individual: it does not inhibit the spread in any way, nor reduce the chances of catching the virus, nor indicate whether the person holding the passport has the virus.

Hence my statement that generally, there is little point to these.
(Asking people to provide a test before entering a stadium/gig/event etc. Would help with this, but the bit of paper doesn't)

Happy to be corrected of course if my understanding is incorrect on these 3 points I originally laid out. Since you have described these 3 statements as 'bollocks', I am looking forward to learning something wholly worthwhile, and would/will be grateful for any insightful intervention to put me straight.
I am not necessarily saying I'm right, I am just presenting my understanding at this point.

Thanks!

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:40 pm

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:28 pm
On the second point: please could you explain how:

1) having a vaccine passport stops the virus spreading?
2) indicates whether the bearer of the passport has the virus?
3) reduces the likelihood of the bearer catching the virus?

My understanding was, that having the passport, and hence the double jab, Only reduced the symptoms of the virus for the individual: it does not inhibit the spread in any way, nor reduce the chances of catching the virus, nor indicate whether the person holding the passport has the virus.

Hence my statement that generally, there is little point to these.
(Asking people to provide a test before entering a stadium/gig/event etc. Would help with this, but the bit of paper doesn't)

Happy to be corrected of course if my understanding is incorrect on these 3 points I originally laid out. Since you have described these 3 statements as 'bollocks', I am looking forward to learning something wholly worthwhile, and would/will be grateful for any insightful intervention to put me straight.
I am not necessarily saying I'm right, I am just presenting my understanding at this point.

Thanks!

I think the statement " it does not inhibit the spread in any way, nor reduce the chances of catching the virus" is incorrect. The Vaccine reduces the effect of the virus but also reduces the chances of catching it and the chances of transmitting it - as I understand it. Therefore, being vaccinated is both a service to yourself but also to those with whom you come into contact.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

This link's more recent: https://fullfact.org/online/neil-oliver ... es-effect/

It seems Mr Oliver has added to misinformation around the vaccine

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:28 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:14 am

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:46 am

I suppose those that are worried about catching the virus, 'the 5%' wore masks to protect themselves. Understandably so and I would support their choice.

Those that aren't, 'the 95%' didn't, and that is of course their choice, and certainly in no way the club's fault. Their choosing to do this will not affect the 5%, since they are wearing masks to protect themselves.

Someone extremely senior at the club, but whom I will leave nameless, was in the supporters club after the game, without a mask, so we can assume he is also in the 95% bracket.

As for vaccine passports: clutching one of these doesn't stop the spread of the virus, nor indicate whether the bearer has the virus. Nor does it reduce the likelihood of the person Catching the virus, so there seems little point to these really.

This sort of rhetoric doesn’t help. People who wear masks aren’t necessarily worried. They’re just trying to do their bit for society and stop the virus from spreading.

No comment on the passport bit, that’s obviously just bollocks.

Fair enough on the first point. Perhaps my choice of words was poor. I should add, that I Do wear a mask in shops etc., as suggested, but because I don't want to pass anything on to others in society, who might be vulnerable. My personal perspective is, having had covid, and two jabs, that I would now prefer to build up my own immunity at this juncture. Of course that is at my own risk, but I do wish to protect others who haven't taken that same decision; whilst I am in shops etc.

On the second point: please could you explain how:

1) having a vaccine passport stops the virus spreading?
2) indicates whether the bearer of the passport has the virus?
3) reduces the likelihood of the bearer catching the virus?

My understanding was, that having the passport, and hence the double jab, Only reduced the symptoms of the virus for the individual: it does not inhibit the spread in any way, nor reduce the chances of catching the virus, nor indicate whether the person holding the passport has the virus.

Hence my statement that generally, there is little point to these.
(Asking people to provide a test before entering a stadium/gig/event etc. Would help with this, but the bit of paper doesn't)

Happy to be corrected of course if my understanding is incorrect on these 3 points I originally laid out. Since you have described these 3 statements as 'bollocks', I am looking forward to learning something wholly worthwhile, and would/will be grateful for any insightful intervention to put me straight.
I am not necessarily saying I'm right, I am just presenting my understanding at this point.

Thanks!

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:23 pm Was that a "thank you for putting me right on a few points I was unsure of" post from old Scuba above?

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:48 am Why are the footballers getting off lightly about this?
It’s disgraceful that they are not getting vaccinated. They are killing people.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:48 am Why are the footballers getting off lightly about this?
It’s disgraceful that they are not getting vaccinated. They are killing people.