Independent Leyton Orient Forum

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:39 pm What have the club actually done to support the movement and make changes?

I dunno. Why don't you ask them?

O my gawd wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:22 pm I think the point they are making is taking the knee doesn't make any difference & they are right.
It's pretty much an empty gesture that doesn't stop racist tw@ts.
You need to take action which Vigs did last week by sharing screen shots. It's far more effective to call them out. Hopefully the big SM companies & police take tough action.

Sharing On social media wont change racists either .

Ian Wright shared
Stirling shared
Rashford Soko & Sanya all shared

Giving 6 month suspended sentences wont stop racists either .

Put them in Jail for Hate crimes .
That might start to change things .

Thought lefties were against 'jail'?

what makes you think lefties are against Jail .
We are just against Lefties being put in Jail .

If people are so keen to see the the taking of the knee continue why don’t they do it themselves? Start a trend. Take a knee in the stands to make a point to all of the racists alongside them.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:05 pm If people are so keen to see the the taking of the knee continue why don’t they do it themselves? Start a trend. Take a knee in the stands to make a point to all of the racists alongside them.

So if I'm standing next to you in the stands and I take the knee will you take my point?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:59 pm what makes you think lefties are against Jail .
We are just against Lefties being put in Jail .

£1000 fine and a on pitch half time sitmf more appropriate imo.

jamespevans wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:07 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:05 pm If people are so keen to see the the taking of the knee continue why don’t they do it themselves? Start a trend. Take a knee in the stands to make a point to all of the racists alongside them.

So if I'm standing next to you in the stands and I take the knee will you take my point?

Of course. Might rest my pint on your head as well.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:08 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:59 pm what makes you think lefties are against Jail .
We are just against Lefties being put in Jail .

£1000 fine and a on pitch half time sitmf more appropriate imo.

who is doing the sitm ?
Is Frank Bruno available ?

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:05 pm If people are so keen to see the the taking of the knee continue why don’t they do it themselves? Start a trend. Take a knee in the stands to make a point to all of the racists alongside them.

If I took the knee I probably wouldn't get back up till half time ☹☹

'By not taking the knee are they now saying that black lives dont matter?'

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:05 pm If people are so keen to see the the taking of the knee continue why don’t they do it themselves? Start a trend. Take a knee in the stands to make a point to all of the racists alongside them.

^
This is what we’re up against.

against people suggesting you do something yourself?

Yes, that’s what I meant.

If the players aren't going to take the knee for black people then perhaps they should start taking it for women

If the players aren't going to take the knee for black people then perhaps they should start taking it for women

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:49 am against people suggesting you do something yourself?

Ronnie doesn’t want to do anything himself. He wants other people to make a stand so that he can sit there, applaud, and feel good.

He wants them to kneel, not stand.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:43 am

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:05 pm If people are so keen to see the the taking of the knee continue why don’t they do it themselves? Start a trend. Take a knee in the stands to make a point to all of the racists alongside them.

^
This is what we’re up against.

Unfortunately, it's just not possible to reason with people who are arguing in bad faith, and committed to not understanding.

I understand why it started and I understand why certain clubs and individuals no longer think that it is having any effect. It is also not something that bothers me either way.

People like Hotdogs however seem to be having a meltdown that Orient have now joined those thinking it is having no effect and decided to stand on Saturday, rather than respecting that decision. Hence the point to start being a leader and stop being a follower.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:23 pm It is also not something that bothers me either way.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:23 pm People like Hotdogs however seem to be having a meltdown

It’ll be interesting on Saturday to see if we’re the first set of fans to boo their own players for not taking the knee, given what a bunch of lefties we are (the SS hoolies and assorted cabbies excluded, obviously).

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:40 pm It’ll be interesting on Saturday to see if we’re the first set of fans to boo their own players for not taking the knee, given what a bunch of lefties we are (the SS hoolies and assorted cabbies excluded, obviously).

Yes, it’ll be quite fascinating