Re: Drug dealers in your neighborhood
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:09 am
The only drug dealer I know is my local pharmacist
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I would like to confess to having a drink.Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:04 am Not sure whether they're dealers or not, but a couple of heroin addicts in the block where I live.
They seem nice fellas: troubled, naturally, but nice enough. I always give 'em the time of day.
Needs to be remembered that 'junkies', are just people who just made the wrong choices in life. No doubt if they could turn the clock back, they wouldn't have got on the s*** in the first place, but it's a very difficult to reverse process.
'Drug dealing', is just business really: supply and demand. I too would support decriminalisation; it would reduce crime levels, and send the levels of violence and 'turf-war' plummeting.
Also needs to be remembered, that unless a person is teetotal, then they use drugs too. Alcohol too is a drug, so those that get all sniffy about drug-takers, but drink, are drug-takers too.
Just because it's government controlled (booze), doesn't mean it's not a drug. Anyone that drinks, takes drugs. On that basis, I see no need for them to get all holier than thou about heroin addicts, who have simply a different drug of choice.
Ok, you’re back in favour.Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:15 am If the current approach to recreational drugs worked then nobody would take them. So it seems stupid to carry on doing something that doesn't work.
I doubt that anyone has ever pondered taking drugs but then thought to themselves, "oh, better not, it's against the law."
Criminalisation just results in the manufacture and distribution being controlled by organised crime gangs, with the exploitation of communities, misuse of law enforcement and the state being left to clean up a mess from which it has not financially benefited. It's one of the key reasons why, in the case of cannabis use, we've witnessed relatively less harmful strains being replaced by super-strength strains that have a detrimental impact on the mental health of users.
The tide is clearly turning, and more states are adopting a more sensible approach. I'd go further than decriminalisation. I'd go for full legalisation and regulation. I'd start with the softer drugs to monitor the impact and then, if it was working okay, be prepared to roll our to all drugs.
You're just never going to stop people getting high, so we may as well make it as safe as possible.
Time we got these dastardly peddlers off the streets of Britain, imo
Good to know that you're a full-on, free-market liberal after all.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:40 amOk, you’re back in favour.Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:15 am If the current approach to recreational drugs worked then nobody would take them. So it seems stupid to carry on doing something that doesn't work.
I doubt that anyone has ever pondered taking drugs but then thought to themselves, "oh, better not, it's against the law."
Criminalisation just results in the manufacture and distribution being controlled by organised crime gangs, with the exploitation of communities, misuse of law enforcement and the state being left to clean up a mess from which it has not financially benefited. It's one of the key reasons why, in the case of cannabis use, we've witnessed relatively less harmful strains being replaced by super-strength strains that have a detrimental impact on the mental health of users.
The tide is clearly turning, and more states are adopting a more sensible approach. I'd go further than decriminalisation. I'd go for full legalisation and regulation. I'd start with the softer drugs to monitor the impact and then, if it was working okay, be prepared to roll our to all drugs.
You're just never going to stop people getting high, so we may as well make it as safe as possible.
No.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:06 pm If the safe strains were available from holland and barrett, then wouldnt the baddies just peddle the illegal strong stuff?
Why?Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:35 pmNo.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:06 pm If the safe strains were available from holland and barrett, then wouldnt the baddies just peddle the illegal strong stuff?
If booze had been illegal, but was then legalised, would you continue to go to your dealer for your hit of Special Brew, or would you pop past your supermarket for something you actually like? (Obviously, I'm assuming you're not actually into Special Brew)Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:46 pmWhy?Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:35 pmNo.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:06 pm If the safe strains were available from holland and barrett, then wouldnt the baddies just peddle the illegal strong stuff?
They wouldn’t. They may compete on price, i guess but they wouldn’t be competing on quality. But what sort of idiot would buy illicitly and run the risk of buying any old sh*t when you could buy guaranteed medical grade drugs from Boots.Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:46 pmWhy?Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:35 pmNo.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:06 pm If the safe strains were available from holland and barrett, then wouldnt the baddies just peddle the illegal strong stuff?
One way to compete on price would be to avoid selling it through legal channels and by doing so avoid tax and duty charges. Much in the same way as the illegal market for tobacco which currently exists in the UK.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:58 pmThey wouldn’t. They may compete on price, i guess but they wouldn’t be competing on quality. But what sort of idiot would buy illicitly and run the risk of buying any old sh*t when you could buy guaranteed medical grade drugs from Boots.
I’d expect them to move into other things like prostitution and Bitofacon.
That assumes everyone taking drugs is mentally vulnerableCurrywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:23 amAnd the criminal exploitation of the mentally vulnerable it seems
Well done on missing the pointBiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:40 pmThat assumes everyone taking drugs is mentally vulnerableCurrywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:23 amAnd the criminal exploitation of the mentally vulnerable it seems
I reckon the guy near me must be a 'user-dealer'. Perhaps i wont bother grassing him after all.Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:01 pm This was one of those 4andom videos that came up in my YouTube recommendations a while ago but I thought very interesting. Decriminalisation is the only sensible answer.
Well done on generalisingCurrywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:29 pmWell done on missing the pointBiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:40 pmThat assumes everyone taking drugs is mentally vulnerableCurrywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:23 am
And the criminal exploitation of the mentally vulnerable it seems
it does Open the Question as to why governments allDunners wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:15 am If the current approach to recreational drugs worked then nobody would take them. So it seems stupid to carry on doing something that doesn't work.
I doubt that anyone has ever pondered taking drugs but then thought to themselves, "oh, better not, it's against the law."
Criminalisation just results in the manufacture and distribution being controlled by organised crime gangs, with the exploitation of communities, misuse of law enforcement and the state being left to clean up a mess from which it has not financially benefited. It's one of the key reasons why, in the case of cannabis use, we've witnessed relatively less harmful strains being replaced by super-strength strains that have a detrimental impact on the mental health of users.
The tide is clearly turning, and more states are adopting a more sensible approach. I'd go further than decriminalisation. I'd go for full legalisation and regulation. I'd start with the softer drugs to monitor the impact and then, if it was working okay, be prepared to roll our to all drugs.
You're just never going to stop people getting high, so we may as well make it as safe as possible.
Still missing the point, congratsBiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:33 pmWell done on generalisingCurrywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:29 pmWell done on missing the pointBiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:40 pm
That assumes everyone taking drugs is mentally vulnerable