Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Beradogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:32 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:15 pm If a team routinely toured to Africa, they'd be within their rights to insist that they employees were inoculated against polio, smallpox etc and that they took malaria meds etc.

If an Airline insisted its employees had similar "medical procedures" as a condition of employment - because they had to have those in order to land in certain countries - I can't imagine there'd be much of a hoo-haa.

It's only contentious because of the anti-vax wing-nuts around at the moment.

It’s nothing to do with anti vax wing nuts. I haven’t had the jab as it was tested on animals. Oh, and also knowing big Pharma pretty well, I hesitate to use a drug that has years of history never mind one that has come into existence in a few months. There are going to be some big court cases coming up.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:47 am An alternative would be, no mandatory vaccine but if a game is postponed due to an outbreak, the guilty team will forefeit the game and three points to the other side

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:03 am Until they get sick and matches get abandonned or they infect the 65 year old kit man

LeytonstoneRed07 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:25 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:03 am Until they get sick and matches get abandonned or they infect the 65 year old kit man

Footballers, like all humans, have been getting sick for generations and we've coped.

How can I put it in a way that it is universally understood? Healthy man take test. Test faulty. Test come back positive. Man must isolate. Government say cases rising. Must impose restrictions. People must have jab.

It’s Kafkaesque, but the people still hold all the aces. It’s very simple. Delete the b*stard app and tell them to get stuffed when they ask you to have a test. If you haven’t had a jab yet, don’t. You’ll be amazed at how quickly this will go away.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:37 am I can't believe the way some on here believe everything this government tells them to believe.
They're told the vaccine is effective, so people just believe it
The government tells us it's safe, so people just believe that too.. No-one knows the long term side effects of these vaccines yet, but people are so quick to advocate it for others.
How do we know that in 5 years time those who have had the vaccine won't develop tumors, or that future generations will become sterile, or a million other things.
Fact... No one knows what effects this vaccine has, yet the PL want to destroy people's careers based on what..... On nothing.
We have the most lying government EVER, yet most are prepared to believe them.
People need to wake up before it's too late.
And by the way, I'm not an anti vaxxer either. Vaccines have saved millions of lives during the 20 th century.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:37 am I can't believe the way some on here believe everything this government tells them to believe.
They're told the vaccine is effective, so people just believe it
The government tells us it's safe, so people just believe that too.. No-one knows the long term side effects of these vaccines yet, but people are so quick to advocate it for others.
How do we know that in 5 years time those who have had the vaccine won't develop tumors, or that future generations will become sterile, or a million other things.
Fact... No one knows what effects this vaccine has, yet the PL want to destroy people's careers based on what..... On nothing.
We have the most lying government EVER, yet most are prepared to believe them.
People need to wake up before it's too late.
And by the way, I'm not an anti vaxxer either. Vaccines have saved millions of lives during the 20 th century.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:32 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:15 pm If a team routinely toured to Africa, they'd be within their rights to insist that they employees were inoculated against polio, smallpox etc and that they took malaria meds etc.

If an Airline insisted its employees had similar "medical procedures" as a condition of employment - because they had to have those in order to land in certain countries - I can't imagine there'd be much of a hoo-haa.

It's only contentious because of the anti-vax wing-nuts around at the moment.

It’s nothing to do with anti vax wing nuts. I haven’t had the jab as it was tested on animals. Oh, and also knowing big Pharma pretty well, I hesitate to use a drug that has years of history never mind one that has come into existence in a few months. There are going to be some big court cases coming up.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:01 pm Adeed benefit of vaccine passports will be football without the conspiracy loons

LeytonstoneRed07 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:24 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:01 pm Adeed benefit of vaccine passports will be football without the conspiracy loons

Firstly, I'm not a 'conspiracy loon' as you put it. Secondly, on the flip side what would be the loss of income to Orient if these measures were brought in?

Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:33 pm

Beradogs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:32 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:15 pm If a team routinely toured to Africa, they'd be within their rights to insist that they employees were inoculated against polio, smallpox etc and that they took malaria meds etc.

If an Airline insisted its employees had similar "medical procedures" as a condition of employment - because they had to have those in order to land in certain countries - I can't imagine there'd be much of a hoo-haa.

It's only contentious because of the anti-vax wing-nuts around at the moment.

It’s nothing to do with anti vax wing nuts. I haven’t had the jab as it was tested on animals. Oh, and also knowing big Pharma pretty well, I hesitate to use a drug that has years of history never mind one that has come into existence in a few months. There are going to be some big court cases coming up.

It didn’t come into existence over a few months. The basis for the vaccine has been developed over a very long time, what what done quickly was the modification process to match Covid-19. The flu Jab changes every year and quickly too. This done quickly stuff needs to be looked into!

I have no idea if the AZ vaccine was tested on animals, part way through the vaxxers book showing the AZ development. But if that is a serious concern, having worked for a pharmaceutical company for a year, I suggest you look at the history of all drugs and hope you never need medication or surgical treatment ever. I assume you would sooner die!

I have no issue with people refusing the jab. Their right. But I have a right to be protected from those who haven’t. If that means people who refuse are barred from certain jobs, restaurants, sporting facilities, holidays then so be it. Having rights applies to everybody. I don’t want to sit next to someone who may kill me! Being double jabbed is not 100%. That is my right!

Still wrong wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:28 pm https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... n_hospital
Today there are 5001 people in hospital with COVID 19.
On this day last year there were 1538.
Today there were 84 deaths and a seven day average of 55.
On this day last year there were 53 deaths with a seven day average of 62.
All this is on the above Government link under Patients in Hospital with COVID 19, under the Data section.
Can anybody seriously have any faith in a rushed vaccine based on the above figures.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:31 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:28 pm https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... n_hospital
Today there are 5001 people in hospital with COVID 19.
On this day last year there were 1538.
Today there were 84 deaths and a seven day average of 55.
On this day last year there were 53 deaths with a seven day average of 62.
All this is on the above Government link under Patients in Hospital with COVID 19, under the Data section.
Can anybody seriously have any faith in a rushed vaccine based on the above figures.

You're too thick to interpret the figures properly so I'm not surprised you don't understand vaccines.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:35 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:31 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:28 pm https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... n_hospital
Today there are 5001 people in hospital with COVID 19.
On this day last year there were 1538.
Today there were 84 deaths and a seven day average of 55.
On this day last year there were 53 deaths with a seven day average of 62.
All this is on the above Government link under Patients in Hospital with COVID 19, under the Data section.
Can anybody seriously have any faith in a rushed vaccine based on the above figures.

You're too thick to interpret the figures properly so I'm not surprised you don't understand vaccines.

Coming from a idiot like you that is saying something.
Please explain what I am missing?
You might want to get a grown up help you with the dates as you are clearly too stupid to understand the figures.
5001 is greater than 1538.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:36 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:35 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:31 pm

You're too thick to interpret the figures properly so I'm not surprised you don't understand vaccines.

Coming from a idiot like you that is saying something.
Please explain what I am missing?
You might want to get a grown up help you with the dates as you are clearly too stupid to understand the figures.
5001 is greater than 1538.

There's no point wasting my time explaining it to you

Once you've progressed past crayons I might give it a go.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:28 pm https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... n_hospital
Today there are 5001 people in hospital with COVID 19.
On this day last year there were 1538.
Today there were 84 deaths and a seven day average of 55.
On this day last year there were 53 deaths with a seven day average of 62.
All this is on the above Government link under Patients in Hospital with COVID 19, under the Data section.
Can anybody seriously have any faith in a rushed vaccine based on the above figures.

KVN wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:28 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:28 pm https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... n_hospital
Today there are 5001 people in hospital with COVID 19.
On this day last year there were 1538.
Today there were 84 deaths and a seven day average of 55.
On this day last year there were 53 deaths with a seven day average of 62.
All this is on the above Government link under Patients in Hospital with COVID 19, under the Data section.
Can anybody seriously have any faith in a rushed vaccine based on the above figures.

And by the time we find out what is wrong it will be too late!