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ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:09 pm

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:26 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:16 pm

How do you know he's no longer one of our top two centre backs?

Because Beckles and Thompson are both better than him.

KMT

No!!! This is your personal opinion, not a fact.

For a start nobody knows how and even if Thompson is going to recover from very serious injuries, so how can you say he's better than Happe?

Thompson may not be fit for the start of the season, and Happe will play. If he does well, he'll keep the shirt.
Don't give your opinion and tell me it's fact. It isn't.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:56 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:57 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:34 pm

Stupid statement.

Happe has played below the standard expected of him last season. He's not a kid anymore - there are 8 players in the England squad younger than him - and he needs to be a bit more responsible for his actions. Judging by the new signings, his best hopes of playing consistently are to start playing up to the level expected of him; injury or 3 centre backs.

He isn’t an experienced player in his prime either. He’s still progressing and learning. Those 8 players have been playing at a high level and brought through slowly by their clubs. Some have gone on loan. He was forced into being the main man and leading a defence consisting of Sam Ling, Akinola and James Brophy.

Everyone played below the standard required because the club didn’t have a good coaching setup.

Of course he's still learning - but last year he went backwards and has now clocked up over pro 100 games. Some players never make it to that number. He could do with premier league coaching but he's not premier league standard. Its easy to blame the setup but given the number of games played and the mistakes made, he needs to look at himself more.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:28 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:56 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:57 pm
He isn’t an experienced player in his prime either. He’s still progressing and learning. Those 8 players have been playing at a high level and brought through slowly by their clubs. Some have gone on loan. He was forced into being the main man and leading a defence consisting of Sam Ling, Akinola and James Brophy.

Everyone played below the standard required because the club didn’t have a good coaching setup.

Of course he's still learning - but last year he went backwards and has now clocked up over pro 100 games. Some players never make it to that number. He could do with premier league coaching but he's not premier league standard. Its easy to blame the setup but given the number of games played and the mistakes made, he needs to look at himself more.

He went backwards because he had sh*t coaches coaching him and was forced to be the main man at the back. Doesn’t matter how many games he’s played.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:28 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:56 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:57 pm
He isn’t an experienced player in his prime either. He’s still progressing and learning. Those 8 players have been playing at a high level and brought through slowly by their clubs. Some have gone on loan. He was forced into being the main man and leading a defence consisting of Sam Ling, Akinola and James Brophy.

Everyone played below the standard required because the club didn’t have a good coaching setup.

Of course he's still learning - but last year he went backwards and has now clocked up over pro 100 games. Some players never make it to that number. He could do with premier league coaching but he's not premier league standard. Its easy to blame the setup but given the number of games played and the mistakes made, he needs to look at himself more.

He went backwards because he had sh*t coaches coaching him and was forced to be the main man at the back. Doesn’t matter how many games he’s played.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:09 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:28 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:56 pm

Of course he's still learning - but last year he went backwards and has now clocked up over pro 100 games. Some players never make it to that number. He could do with premier league coaching but he's not premier league standard. Its easy to blame the setup but given the number of games played and the mistakes made, he needs to look at himself more.

He went backwards because he had sh*t coaches coaching him and was forced to be the main man at the back. Doesn’t matter how many games he’s played.

Load of crap. tell me how many games he played last season when he was "the main man at the back".

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:11 am He was even made captain at one point.

I don't think that's so much the issue. His lack of development over these last few years, the treading water when he should be pushing forward, is a reflection of everything that's gone on at the club. It's just it's more evident in a young player at such a critical stage.

I can't think of a single player these past 2/3 years who has actually been developed by the club and improved significantly, if at all. And that falls at the lap of our DoF and coaching staff.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:12 am Even Hector, another outstanding prospect, isn't pushing on as he should be.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:58 am

LittleMate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:09 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:28 pm
He went backwards because he had sh*t coaches coaching him and was forced to be the main man at the back. Doesn’t matter how many games he’s played.

Load of crap. tell me how many games he played last season when he was "the main man at the back".

He played more than double what Turley and Coulson did. He was the number 1 CB.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:28 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:58 am

LittleMate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:09 am

Load of crap. tell me how many games he played last season when he was "the main man at the back".

He played more than double what Turley and Coulson did. He was the number 1 CB.

Even more crap than your last post. Turley played 18 league games last season; Coulson 20. The pair hardly played together. Happe played 40 league games - so by default he must have played 75% of his games with one of these two. He'd be the #2 to both of these.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:12 am Even Hector, another outstanding prospect, isn't pushing on as he should be.

Milano wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:16 pm How many opinions does it take before it becomes factual enough?

Happe suffers an attention deficit. He loses concentration too often, gets on the wrong side of his man, gives away fouls as he attempts to recover, loses sight of his man due to ball watching who then sneaks off into unmarked space. Until he can correct this, he is not of EFL standard. Thompson and Beckles almost certainly are.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:32 pm

Milano wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:16 pm How many opinions does it take before it becomes factual enough?

Happe suffers an attention deficit. He loses concentration too often, gets on the wrong side of his man, gives away fouls as he attempts to recover, loses sight of his man due to ball watching who then sneaks off into unmarked space. Until he can correct this, he is not of EFL standard. Thompson and Beckles almost certainly are.

Fair assessment. He does seem to mentally drift out of the game. And his positioning is sometimes way off. But I feel there is a good player in there and with the right coaching and maybe to odd kick up the backside, he will come good. EFL standard. Probably in my opinion. But definitely work in progress.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:28 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:11 am He was even made captain at one point.

I don't think that's so much the issue. His lack of development over these last few years, the treading water when he should be pushing forward, is a reflection of everything that's gone on at the club. It's just it's more evident in a young player at such a critical stage.

I can't think of a single player these past 2/3 years who has actually been developed by the club and improved significantly, if at all. And that falls at the lap of our DoF and coaching staff.

This and the post about Hector is spot on. Even Ruel was stuck on the left wing when he played.

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:31 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:12 am Even Hector, another outstanding prospect, isn't pushing on as he should be.

2019-20 6 Appearances
2020-21 22 Appearances

Just been promoted to the full Cyprus squad.

But obviously he's not progressing. He's a young 20 year old still learning his trade, he will make mistakes. I suppose you are expecting man of the match performances every week ?

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:35 pm Tbf. This board creams over Thompson over about 6 performances. Time will tell but you’d think he was Ramos by the comments on here

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:35 pm Tbf. This board creams over Thompson over about 6 performances. Time will tell but you’d think he was Ramos by the comments on here

Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:06 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:35 pm Tbf. This board creams over Thompson over about 6 performances. Time will tell but you’d think he was Ramos by the comments on here

Some of us have Shrimper friends and ask their opinion. Pretty good as it happens. So not based on 6 games,

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:35 pm Tbf. This board creams over Thompson over about 6 performances. Time will tell but you’d think he was Ramos by the comments on here