Independent Leyton Orient Forum

MalvoliO wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:31 pm I truly believe that those who come on here now and spew negativity about how the club is run are either total wind-up merchants or clueless (or both). Our club has never been in better hands from the top down off the pitch. If we can now manage to attract the kind of calibre of player that can get us promoted this season, then we will be looking to a great season ahead.

I bet you lapped up Bechetti’s waffle too

The only off putting thing I found there was Nigels blue eye shadow.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:19 pm Just started it. Oh Nigel, you really the think the government will behind reforms in football . Which vice chief exec met Boris Johnson days before the ESL announcement?

Can’t wait to get into a bit of research about these characters.

If Travis thinks this incompetent government or any government is going to reform football he is living in a dreamworld.
I must admit they talk the talk but I don’t get all the talk about the passion of the fans.
It took us 3 long years and two relegations before any meaningful pitch protest happened.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:39 pm Funny how many of you seem to think these venture capitalists are in it because they’re passionate about football

“Do no harm and put a better product out there” enjoy the returns in a few years lads

I don’t see any financial return.
They seem to think they have ideas what no other Orient owner has had before.
And that includes one previous owner when made millions promoting sporting events.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 12:23 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:39 pm Funny how many of you seem to think these venture capitalists are in it because they’re passionate about football

“Do no harm and put a better product out there” enjoy the returns in a few years lads

I don’t see any financial return.
They seem to think they have ideas what no other Orient owner has had before.
And that includes one previous owner when made millions promoting sporting events.

Maybe you're not supposed to see the financial return.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 12:26 am

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 12:23 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:39 pm Funny how many of you seem to think these venture capitalists are in it because they’re passionate about football

“Do no harm and put a better product out there” enjoy the returns in a few years lads

I don’t see any financial return.
They seem to think they have ideas what no other Orient owner has had before.
And that includes one previous owner when made millions promoting sporting events.

Maybe you're not supposed to see the financial return.

Really.

Danny M stated that 90% of people in Waltham Forest have never set foot in the ground.
No great surprise, it has always been like that.
Unless you give tickets away for a fiver, people won’t turn up.
They are not going to spend £25 a ticket,It doesn’t matter how much you push the hard sell.
A mate of mine watched a game with his son in law and grandson. Cost him a £11 for all 3.
No way would he consider £50+ and has not been over there since.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 12:45 am Danny M stated that 90% of people in Waltham Forest have never set foot in the ground.
No great surprise, it has always been like that.
Unless you give tickets away for a fiver, people won’t turn up.
They are not going to spend £25 a ticket,It doesn’t matter how much you push the hard sell.
A mate of mine watched a game with his son in law and grandson. Cost him a £11 for all 3.
No way would he consider £50+ and has not been over there since.

Still dense

Interesting watch. All fans should tune into that.

That’s a very credible, very professional team. It’s going to be an interesting few years, one way or another.

Lingy sticks out lIke a sore thumb in that gathering.

I hope the new American influence on the club leads to the return of the much loved Cheery Os and an improvement in the woeful catering options

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 9:14 am Interesting watch. All fans should tune into that.

That’s a very credible, very professional team. It’s going to be an interesting few years, one way or another.

Lingy sticks out lIke a sore thumb in that gathering.

Agree

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:39 pm Funny how many of you seem to think these venture capitalists are in it because they’re passionate about football

“Do no harm and put a better product out there” enjoy the returns in a few years lads

Take club in L2
Get two promotions from easier leagues
Sell stake in a Championship club to a buyer who now sees the monetary potential of a side one season away from Prem windfall
Profit

Now whether they can make that plan work is another matter but that's how I see it. Statement of ambition and intent signing Jackett, if we can bring in the same calibre of player it could be an exciting couple of years ahead.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 9:14 am Interesting watch. All fans should tune into that.

That’s a very credible, very professional team. It’s going to be an interesting few years, one way or another.

Lingy sticks out lIke a sore thumb in that gathering.

We all know Ling is not the best when it comes to public speaking. Many talented people operate better away from the glare of publicity. There is a place for all types of people.

I am hugely impressed with what the owners are trying to do. No criticism from me towards any of them. They are creating a very talented management group with diverse skills.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 12:23 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:39 pm Funny how many of you seem to think these venture capitalists are in it because they’re passionate about football

“Do no harm and put a better product out there” enjoy the returns in a few years lads

I don’t see any financial return.
They seem to think they have ideas what no other Orient owner has had before.
And that includes one previous owner when made millions promoting sporting events.

They’ve just bought into the idea of where the club can be in a few years. Like you say, every owner has the same idea. These guys think they can do it in a ‘sustainable’ way, good luck to them.

I’d like to see the investment breakdown. There’s 7 of them and they’ve raised a total of £2.7m. Also, a couple of them mentioned how their partner/sons play football at a high level (one even played the other day for an Orient team and scored), are we seeing nepotism from the board coming?!

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:40 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:39 pm Funny how many of you seem to think these venture capitalists are in it because they’re passionate about football

“Do no harm and put a better product out there” enjoy the returns in a few years lads

Take club in L2
Get two promotions from easier leagues
Sell stake in a Championship club to a buyer who now sees the monetary potential of a side one season away from Prem windfall
Profit

Now whether they can make that plan work is another matter but that's how I see it. Statement of ambition and intent signing Jackett, if we can bring in the same calibre of player it could be an exciting couple of years ahead.

This is the plan, I’m convinced of it. I think Eagle/Nigel will keep 25% control in the club after the sale and remain on the board as a safeguard as and when that happens.

Maybe even one of these investors will be the one to buy it.

Is that all they’ve put in, £2.7m combined?

In which case, I look forward to welcoming the new new investors in May 2022.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:03 am Is that all they’ve put in, £2.7m combined?

In which case, I look forward to welcoming the new new investors in May 2022.

Nigel said the new investors have brought in £2.7m. Unless he’s not telling the truth.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:03 am Is that all they’ve put in, £2.7m combined?

In which case, I look forward to welcoming the new new investors in May 2022.

How did you get £2.7m combined? I’ve Not watch it all yet. But was that just the new investors and is that the total sum of their commitment over time. I’ve read £8.7m has been raised.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:16 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:03 am Is that all they’ve put in, £2.7m combined?

In which case, I look forward to welcoming the new new investors in May 2022.

How did you get £2.7m combined? I’ve Not watch it all yet. But was that just the new investors and is that the total sum of their commitment over time. I’ve read £8.7m has been raised.

I didn’t. Try reading properly. Sad.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:16 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:03 am Is that all they’ve put in, £2.7m combined?

In which case, I look forward to welcoming the new new investors in May 2022.

How did you get £2.7m combined? I’ve Not watch it all yet. But was that just the new investors and is that the total sum of their commitment over time. I’ve read £8.7m has been raised.

Where did you read £8.7? I hope I’ve got it wrong and and it is £8.7

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:02 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:40 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:39 pm Funny how many of you seem to think these venture capitalists are in it because they’re passionate about football

“Do no harm and put a better product out there” enjoy the returns in a few years lads

Take club in L2
Get two promotions from easier leagues
Sell stake in a Championship club to a buyer who now sees the monetary potential of a side one season away from Prem windfall
Profit

Now whether they can make that plan work is another matter but that's how I see it. Statement of ambition and intent signing Jackett, if we can bring in the same calibre of player it could be an exciting couple of years ahead.

This is the plan, I’m convinced of it. I think Eagle/Nigel will keep 25% control in the club after the sale and remain on the board as a safeguard as and when that happens.

Maybe even one of these investors will be the one to buy it.

Yep, Championship then sell is my take as well. Why no one will say so though is baffling - I’d much rather that than fabricated tales of their soccer, sorry I mean football experiences at Chicago Wolf Cubs or Queens of Park Rangers or whatever.

Nigel is obviously excluded from that. The Money Guys are always gonna do their thing, but with Nigel - and just as importantly, his son - so heavily involved, we’ll be fine. I don’t see Nigel selling either, looks like his son is ready to take it on when the time comes.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:02 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:40 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:39 pm Funny how many of you seem to think these venture capitalists are in it because they’re passionate about football

“Do no harm and put a better product out there” enjoy the returns in a few years lads

Take club in L2
Get two promotions from easier leagues
Sell stake in a Championship club to a buyer who now sees the monetary potential of a side one season away from Prem windfall
Profit

Now whether they can make that plan work is another matter but that's how I see it. Statement of ambition and intent signing Jackett, if we can bring in the same calibre of player it could be an exciting couple of years ahead.

This is the plan, I’m convinced of it. I think Eagle/Nigel will keep 25% control in the club after the sale and remain on the board as a safeguard as and when that happens.

Maybe even one of these investors will be the one to buy it.

Yep, Championship then sell is my take as well. Why no one will say so though is baffling - I’d much rather that than fabricated tales of their soccer, sorry I mean football experiences at Chicago Wolf Cubs or Queens of Park Rangers or whatever.

Nigel is obviously excluded from that. The Money Guys are always gonna do their thing, but with Nigel - and just as importantly, his son - so heavily involved, we’ll be fine. I don’t see Nigel selling either, looks like his son is ready to take it on when the time comes.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:23 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:02 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:40 am

Take club in L2
Get two promotions from easier leagues
Sell stake in a Championship club to a buyer who now sees the monetary potential of a side one season away from Prem windfall
Profit

Now whether they can make that plan work is another matter but that's how I see it. Statement of ambition and intent signing Jackett, if we can bring in the same calibre of player it could be an exciting couple of years ahead.

This is the plan, I’m convinced of it. I think Eagle/Nigel will keep 25% control in the club after the sale and remain on the board as a safeguard as and when that happens.

Maybe even one of these investors will be the one to buy it.

Yep, Championship then sell is my take as well. Why no one will say so though is baffling - I’d much rather that than fabricated tales of their soccer, sorry I mean football experiences at Chicago Wolf Cubs or Queens of Park Rangers or whatever.

Nigel is obviously excluded from that. The Money Guys are always gonna do their thing, but with Nigel - and just as importantly, his son - so heavily involved, we’ll be fine. I don’t see Nigel selling either, looks like his son is ready to take it on when the time comes.

Really?
I didn’t notice a similar interest in Wycombe and Rotherham when they got promoted to the Championship.
To survive and prosper in the Championship will take over a 100 million in donations.
Can’t see anybody rushing to take that off their hands.
All seems too good to be true, and we all know what that means.
Wycombe have a American owner who has run the club very sensibly and has not chased the dream.
Loses of just over a million before the pandemic. Now sees that running at over 2 million, which he now admits is not substainable.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:52 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 9:14 am Interesting watch. All fans should tune into that.

That’s a very credible, very professional team. It’s going to be an interesting few years, one way or another.

Lingy sticks out lIke a sore thumb in that gathering.

We all know Ling is not the best when it comes to public speaking. Many talented people operate better away from the glare of publicity. There is a place for all types of people.

I am hugely impressed with what the owners are trying to do. No criticism from me towards any of them. They are creating a very talented management group with diverse skills.

I think Lord Russell Slade would have been better in that role.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:40 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:23 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:02 am
This is the plan, I’m convinced of it. I think Eagle/Nigel will keep 25% control in the club after the sale and remain on the board as a safeguard as and when that happens.

Maybe even one of these investors will be the one to buy it.

Yep, Championship then sell is my take as well. Why no one will say so though is baffling - I’d much rather that than fabricated tales of their soccer, sorry I mean football experiences at Chicago Wolf Cubs or Queens of Park Rangers or whatever.

Nigel is obviously excluded from that. The Money Guys are always gonna do their thing, but with Nigel - and just as importantly, his son - so heavily involved, we’ll be fine. I don’t see Nigel selling either, looks like his son is ready to take it on when the time comes.

Really?
I didn’t notice a similar interest in Wycombe and Rotherham when they got promoted to the Championship.
To survive and prosper in the Championship will take over a 100 million in donations.
Can’t see anybody rushing to take that off their hands.
All seems too good to be true, and we all know what that means.
Wycombe have a American owner who has run the club very sensibly and has not chased the dream.
Loses of just over a million before the pandemic. Now sees that running at over 2 million, which he now admits is not substainable.

"Sustainable" was pointedly mentioned more than once. It is well understood that Orient can function perfectly well in League 1 with the current infrastructure. The step up into the Championship is when we need to make a quantum leap in order to become sustainable at that level, and I was glad to see some tentative early discussion about the stadium on the call last night. It was still all a bit vague, but at least we know they're thinking about it. Staying in WF is obviously the right thing to do, but it'll be tough - hard to see where there's scope for a c15-25k stadium to be built anywhere in the borough - particularly while retaining the advantages of being on the Central Line (which is a large part of what you'd need to bring all those extra punters in every week)