Independent Leyton Orient Forum

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 2:37 pm What's the reporting hierarchy? Will the new Manager report into T&T or Ling? Any interview board will be based on this.

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:45 pm I know many believed that Sam Ling wasn't in the team on merit, but I've not seen any actual evidence that Ling ever interfered with team selection.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:53 pm

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:45 pm I know many believed that Sam Ling wasn't in the team on merit, but I've not seen any actual evidence that Ling ever interfered with team selection.

Not directly, he won’t. But there will have been self imposed pressure on Ross to play him. Ross owed much to Ling, this will have impacted on his judgement when choosing the team. A sort of owed loyalty thing. Not easy to deal with, I know.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 2:23 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:26 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:08 am

Ling will no doubt have a major say,

But as businessmen, Travis and Teague will be well versed in making senior appointments for positions that they personally have little expertise in. The CV and references will contain all they need to know about the credentials of the interviewee. They will be assessing the character, managerial qualities, personality, leadership qualities. After Fletcher, Travis admitted he should have got more involved.

So it is quite possible that Ling’s role in this appointment may be reduced. In fact, I suspect most of the negotiations are taking place directly with the Board.

Think back to your Business Days when you were IT Director. When you appointed an IT manager, did the Board interview and make that decision for you? Or was it your responsibility to recruit and appoint the lucky person reporting directly into you?

Look at it from a different perspective. When I was an IT professional, the people interviewing me for senior roles knew naff all about computers, bar doing spreadsheets. But they knew about business, people, personalities, could read a CV and were capable of getting references by way of independent verification.

I was never in 30 years in a senior role, interviewed by an IT expert. They were hiring me because that’s what they wanted, not what they had. Some may find it strange, but it is in fact routine for senior appointments.

Junior posts may well be interviewed by their boss-to-be. They not having the opportunity to create a long working history.

It’s the way it works. That you don’t understand is down to you.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:47 am

Type high wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:29 am I get the impression that Martin Ling has been side lined in the decision making process and from now on Mat Porter is back on duty

Give over.

No disrespect to Porter but he’s just a fan like the rest of us. He has as much football knowledge as us, or Travis or Teague.

This will be Lingys call, and rightfully so.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 2:23 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:26 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:08 am

Ling will no doubt have a major say,

But as businessmen, Travis and Teague will be well versed in making senior appointments for positions that they personally have little expertise in. The CV and references will contain all they need to know about the credentials of the interviewee. They will be assessing the character, managerial qualities, personality, leadership qualities. After Fletcher, Travis admitted he should have got more involved.

So it is quite possible that Ling’s role in this appointment may be reduced. In fact, I suspect most of the negotiations are taking place directly with the Board.

Think back to your Business Days when you were IT Director. When you appointed an IT manager, did the Board interview and make that decision for you? Or was it your responsibility to recruit and appoint the lucky person reporting directly into you?

Look at it from a different perspective. When I was an IT professional, the people interviewing me for senior roles knew naff all about computers, bar doing spreadsheets. But they knew about business, people, personalities, could read a CV and were capable of getting references by way of independent verification.

I was never in 30 years in a senior role, interviewed by an IT expert. They were hiring me because that’s what they wanted, not what they had. Some may find it strange, but it is in fact routine for senior appointments.

Junior posts may well be interviewed by their boss-to-be. They not having the opportunity to create a long working history.

It’s the way it works. That you don’t understand is down to you.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:58 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 2:23 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:26 pm

Think back to your Business Days when you were IT Director. When you appointed an IT manager, did the Board interview and make that decision for you? Or was it your responsibility to recruit and appoint the lucky person reporting directly into you?

Look at it from a different perspective. When I was an IT professional, the people interviewing me for senior roles knew naff all about computers, bar doing spreadsheets. But they knew about business, people, personalities, could read a CV and were capable of getting references by way of independent verification.

I was never in 30 years in a senior role, interviewed by an IT expert. They were hiring me because that’s what they wanted, not what they had. Some may find it strange, but it is in fact routine for senior appointments.

Junior posts may well be interviewed by their boss-to-be. They not having the opportunity to create a long working history.

It’s the way it works. That you don’t understand is down to you.

So people in important, senior roles get jobs based on who they know, if they are liked, whilst the plebs have to battle it out for their jobs based on actual merit?

Thanks a lot DidoHardingNut.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:47 am

Type high wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:29 am I get the impression that Martin Ling has been side lined in the decision making process and from now on Mat Porter is back on duty

Give over.

No disrespect to Porter but he’s just a fan like the rest of us. He has as much football knowledge as us, or Travis or Teague.

This will be Lingys call, and rightfully so.

Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:32 pm RE: The above...is there any chance you could be more pompous, Dohnut???

Still wrong wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:57 pm

Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:32 pm RE: The above...is there any chance you could be more pompous, Dohnut???

The geezer is so full of himself it’s hilarious.
No self awareness at all
I bet his a legend on many a Bog wall.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:07 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:57 pm

Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:32 pm RE: The above...is there any chance you could be more pompous, Dohnut???

The geezer is so full of himself it’s hilarious.
No self awareness at all
I bet his a legend on many a Bog wall.

Just a fact of business life based on personal experience. If I have this experience and you don’t, get over it. More importantly go get the experience yourself. If your experience differs from mine, say so. I can cope with it. All ears.

Recounting personal experience is not pompous. Though I fully accept it invites digs from those without. But hey ho. I can live with it.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:13 pm "I am privileged and if you arent thats just tough, get over it working man".

You're a caricature.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:30 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:07 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:57 pm


The geezer is so full of himself it’s hilarious.
No self awareness at all
I bet his a legend on many a Bog wall.

Just a fact of business life based on personal experience. If I have this experience and you don’t, get over it. More importantly go get the experience yourself. If your experience differs from mine, say so. I can cope with it. All ears.

Recounting personal experience is not pompous. Though I fully accept it invites digs from those without. But hey ho. I can live with it.

Carry on
I bet you spent all these meetings talking about yourself.
Me me me I I I.
No wonder British management is the worst in the world.
Ever thought of going on the Apprentice?
That would be TV Gold

Still wrong wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:31 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:13 pm "I am privileged and if you arent thats just tough, get over it working man".

You're a caricature.

Well, nearly right

Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:33 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:30 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:07 pm

Just a fact of business life based on personal experience. If I have this experience and you don’t, get over it. More importantly go get the experience yourself. If your experience differs from mine, say so. I can cope with it. All ears.

Recounting personal experience is not pompous. Though I fully accept it invites digs from those without. But hey ho. I can live with it.

Carry on
I bet you spent all these meetings talking about yourself.
Me me me I I I.
No wonder British management is the worst in the world.
Ever thought of going on the Apprentice?
That would be TV Gold

Probably spent my time laughing at people like you making stupid comments.

Which is what I am doing now. Having a good laugh at your expense.


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There you go again........
My and I.
You must have been a right one on the pull on a Saturday night.

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:37 pm I think Doh's just portraying his natural attributes so that he can soak up the abuse and then return to Mungo's saying how beastly we've been to him.

IMHO.