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Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:51 pm**

BIGRON wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:47 pm Jobi's points return may be good but in most of the games the teams performances have been awful ☹☹

He cant help inheriting crap players
Let him wheel & deal & we are nailed on promoted next year.

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:16 pm**

We all know that the owners are going to stick with Jobi so this is a pointless thread

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:25 pm**

Doesn't stop the pointless posting of these threads unfortunately

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:43 pm**

Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:53 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:37 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:57 pm

Jackett will want 5k a week and his own back room staff.
Also a top 3 budget.
Now back to the real world.
Depends how serious the board are about promotion. I’m not saying he’s the answer but giving him good money and building a squad in his name will get us out of this league and pushing playoffs if not promotion in league 1. If a bigger club want him, then we end up getting a big fee to release him.

What were Embleton and Fletcher’s pay offs? A lot more than 5k a week I bet.
So you expect Kent to stump up a load of cash so we can get promotion to a higher league where the attendances will be much the same but the wages will be higher?
Can’t really see him going for that.
Also, it will cost a fortune to get rid of KJ if he fails.

Ok, we’ll keep punting the cheap option whilst begging the fantastic and loyal supporters for their money and giving them a load of flannel about how and why they pick the next manager.

I’m not talking specifically about Jackett because Orient may be too small for him. I’m not talking about an ‘experienced’ manager. They need to get a good manager in. The club is floundering on a footballing level. It’s all about getting promotion with as least spend as possible to be able to get lots of money from new investors. It’s how Kent makes his money.

League one within 6 years whilst not spending a lot and leaving the club breaking even.

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:06 pm**

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:43 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:53 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:37 pm
Depends how serious the board are about promotion. I’m not saying he’s the answer but giving him good money and building a squad in his name will get us out of this league and pushing playoffs if not promotion in league 1. If a bigger club want him, then we end up getting a big fee to release him.

What were Embleton and Fletcher’s pay offs? A lot more than 5k a week I bet.
So you expect Kent to stump up a load of cash so we can get promotion to a higher league where the attendances will be much the same but the wages will be higher?
Can’t really see him going for that.
Also, it will cost a fortune to get rid of KJ if he fails.
Ok, we’ll keep punting the cheap option whilst begging the fantastic and loyal supporters for their money and giving them a load of flannel about how and why they pick the next manager.

I’m not talking specifically about Jackett because Orient may be too small for him. I’m not talking about an ‘experienced’ manager. They need to get a good manager in. The club is floundering on a footballing level. It’s all about getting promotion with as least spend as possible to be able to get lots of money from new investors. It’s how Kent makes his money.

League one within 6 years whilst not spending a lot and leaving the club breaking even.

Stop talking nonsense.
Kent is not going to make a penny out of Orient.
It’s worth nothing, he is about 5 million down already.
You don’t need a experienced manager to get promoted out of league 2. Just look at the top two.
Take these new investors with a pinch of salt.

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:15 pm**

Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:06 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:43 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:53 pm

So you expect Kent to stump up a load of cash so we can get promotion to a higher league where the attendances will be much the same but the wages will be higher?
Can’t really see him going for that.
Also, it will cost a fortune to get rid of KJ if he fails.
Ok, we’ll keep punting the cheap option whilst begging the fantastic and loyal supporters for their money and giving them a load of flannel about how and why they pick the next manager.

I’m not talking specifically about Jackett because Orient may be too small for him. I’m not talking about an ‘experienced’ manager. They need to get a good manager in. The club is floundering on a footballing level. It’s all about getting promotion with as least spend as possible to be able to get lots of money from new investors. It’s how Kent makes his money.

League one within 6 years whilst not spending a lot and leaving the club breaking even.
Stop talking nonsense.
Kent is not going to make a penny out of Orient.
It’s worth nothing, he is about 5 million down already.
You don’t need a experienced manager to get promoted out of league 2. Just look at the top two.
Take these new investors with a pinch of salt.

Yes because a man with a company that specialises in taking failing businesses and selling them at a profit is just investing in Leyton Orient because he loves the game so much

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:20 pm**

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:15 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:06 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:43 pm
Ok, we’ll keep punting the cheap option whilst begging the fantastic and loyal supporters for their money and giving them a load of flannel about how and why they pick the next manager.

I’m not talking specifically about Jackett because Orient may be too small for him. I’m not talking about an ‘experienced’ manager. They need to get a good manager in. The club is floundering on a footballing level. It’s all about getting promotion with as least spend as possible to be able to get lots of money from new investors. It’s how Kent makes his money.

League one within 6 years whilst not spending a lot and leaving the club breaking even.
Stop talking nonsense.
Kent is not going to make a penny out of Orient.
It’s worth nothing, he is about 5 million down already.
You don’t need a experienced manager to get promoted out of league 2. Just look at the top two.
Take these new investors with a pinch of salt.
Yes because a man with a company that specialises in taking failing businesses and selling them at a profit is just investing in Leyton Orient because he loves the game so much

Right,
Tell me how the hell he is going to get 5 million out of Orient?
Your stupidity is beyond belief.
No assets.
No players of any worth.
No untapped support.
It’s a rich mans hobby.

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:21 pm**

Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:20 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:15 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:06 pm

Stop talking nonsense.
Kent is not going to make a penny out of Orient.
It’s worth nothing, he is about 5 million down already.
You don’t need a experienced manager to get promoted out of league 2. Just look at the top two.
Take these new investors with a pinch of salt.
Yes because a man with a company that specialises in taking failing businesses and selling them at a profit is just investing in Leyton Orient because he loves the game so much
Right,
Tell me how the hell he is going to get 5 million out of Orient?
Your stupidity is beyond belief.
No assets.
No players of any worth.
No untapped support.
It’s a rich mans hobby.

And what failing businesses has he taken over?

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:27 pm**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:21 pm Jobi has managed to stabilise a sinking ship so to speak
With players he hasnt picked , who in general arent of the best
ability .

Just Imagine what he can do wirh players he chooses to bring in &
He believes he can get the best out of .

Jobi gets the gig all day long for me .

That’s the most sensible thing you have said all day. Welcome back on board until tomorrow

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:32 pm**

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:27 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:21 pm Jobi has managed to stabilise a sinking ship so to speak
With players he hasnt picked , who in general arent of the best
ability .

Just Imagine what he can do wirh players he chooses to bring in &
He believes he can get the best out of .

Jobi gets the gig all day long for me .
That’s the most sensible thing you have said all day. Welcome back on board until tomorrow

The Most Sensible thing i said all day was

@ Frank
Up the O's

I was 10 minutes late , but i had to respect a fallen O &
A fellow border who asked fans if they could honour his dad .

I just wish a few more had the time to
Instead of arguing pointlessly on here about stuff out of there control .

Better late than never all .

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Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:57 pm**

Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:20 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:15 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:06 pm

Stop talking nonsense.
Kent is not going to make a penny out of Orient.
It’s worth nothing, he is about 5 million down already.
You don’t need a experienced manager to get promoted out of league 2. Just look at the top two.
Take these new investors with a pinch of salt.
Yes because a man with a company that specialises in taking failing businesses and selling them at a profit is just investing in Leyton Orient because he loves the game so much
Right,
Tell me how the hell he is going to get 5 million out of Orient?
Your stupidity is beyond belief.
No assets.
No players of any worth.
No untapped support.
It’s a rich mans hobby.

You’re very rude aren’t you.

5 million? No chance has he put 5 million into Orient. They’re selling the same dream to potential investors as people like you lap up. They’re building a club that doesn’t lose money, is in a prime location and could within a few years of good investment be a mainstay in the Championship.

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:12 pm**

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:57 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:20 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:15 pm
Yes because a man with a company that specialises in taking failing businesses and selling them at a profit is just investing in Leyton Orient because he loves the game so much
Right,
Tell me how the hell he is going to get 5 million out of Orient?
Your stupidity is beyond belief.
No assets.
No players of any worth.
No untapped support.
It’s a rich mans hobby.
You’re very rude aren’t you.

5 million? No chance has he put 5 million into Orient. They’re selling the same dream to potential investors as people like you lap up. They’re building a club that doesn’t lose money, is in a prime location and could within a few years of good investment be a mainstay in the Championship.

If you bothered to look at the accounts you will see there is a debt of over 14 million.
I am astonished by your stupidity.
How the hell are Orient going to survive in the Championship?
The wage bill will have to be over 14 million.
The ground holds 9200 and we would still struggle to get more than 5000 home fans turn up.
You only have to look at Wycombe.
And how do you think the club won’t lose money?
Charge 5 k for a season ticket?

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:20 pm**

I’m not in favour of Jobi being appointed permanently, altho I understood why he was given the interim position until the end of the season - by the time Embleton was sacked, any decent manager would have been busy with getting their team promoted, so that made sense. But I did expect the style of play to improve under Jobi, because I thought it was Embleton’s stubbornness and lack of experience that was holding us back. I thought that the players we had were largely good enough for this division, and that let off the leash we’d do a lot better. And he have, results-wise. Performance-wise, it’s been largely the same old nonsense. So I’m not convinced that giving Jobi the job and bringing in his own players would necessarily improve things much.

It’s a tricky one because of who Jobi is, but I’d so much h rather see him back out on the pitch and leave the managerial bit so someone else.

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:25 pm**

Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:12 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:57 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:20 pm

Right,
Tell me how the hell he is going to get 5 million out of Orient?
Your stupidity is beyond belief.
No assets.
No players of any worth.
No untapped support.
It’s a rich mans hobby.
You’re very rude aren’t you.

5 million? No chance has he put 5 million into Orient. They’re selling the same dream to potential investors as people like you lap up. They’re building a club that doesn’t lose money, is in a prime location and could within a few years of good investment be a mainstay in the Championship.
If you bothered to look at the accounts you will see there is a debt of over 14 million.
I am astonished by your stupidity.
How the hell are Orient going to survive in the Championship?
The wage bill will have to be over 14 million.
The ground holds 9200 and we would still struggle to get more than 5000 home fans turn up.
You only have to look at Wycombe.
And how do you think the club won’t lose money?
Charge 5 k for a season ticket?

Who do Leyton Orient owe 14m to? When Orient nearly got promoted to the Championship, did you want them to turn it down because little old Leyton Orient couldn’t possibly afford to be playing with the bigger boys?

You really have no clue how businesses grow or how to run them, do you. I suggest you take a couple of hours to learn and then answer me like a grown up instead of throwing mindless insults around.

Honestly, I’ve disagreed with a lot of people on here and peoples takes on football and the club. You by far, are the absolute worst when it comes to opinions. Your username is incredibly apt.

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:05 pm**

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:57 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:20 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:15 pm
Yes because a man with a company that specialises in taking failing businesses and selling them at a profit is just investing in Leyton Orient because he loves the game so much
Right,
Tell me how the hell he is going to get 5 million out of Orient?
Your stupidity is beyond belief.
No assets.
No players of any worth.
No untapped support.
It’s a rich mans hobby.
You’re very rude aren’t you.

5 million? No chance has he put 5 million into Orient. They’re selling the same dream to potential investors as people like you lap up. They’re building a club that doesn’t lose money, is in a prime location and could within a few years of good investment be a mainstay in the Championship.

We’re losing absolute fortunes.

At the time they took over, the P&L reserve was -£6.7m. The most recent accounts to 30/6/20 show -£14.1m. That’s £7.4m of losses in 3 years.

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:25 pm**

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:05 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:57 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:20 pm

Right,
Tell me how the hell he is going to get 5 million out of Orient?
Your stupidity is beyond belief.
No assets.
No players of any worth.
No untapped support.
It’s a rich mans hobby.
You’re very rude aren’t you.

5 million? No chance has he put 5 million into Orient. They’re selling the same dream to potential investors as people like you lap up. They’re building a club that doesn’t lose money, is in a prime location and could within a few years of good investment be a mainstay in the Championship.
We’re losing absolute fortunes.

At the time they took over, the P&L reserve was -£6.7m. The most recent accounts to 30/6/20 show -£14.1m. That’s £7.4m of losses in 3 years.

Who is that £14m owed to?

Why do they say they need to shave another £2m+ to break even?

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:06 pm**

Must bring in a new manager, and let the new guy choose the players he wants in his team.
Jobi's football it's the same as Ross's, boring defensive unattractive football.
Most fans can't take any more of the same

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:17 pm**

Most O's Fans i talk to are quite happy to let Jobi have a chance to do at least a full season.
Pointless to keep getting rid of managers every 6 months or so .
We dont want to be going down the route that the mad Italian took us down again do we ?

Posted: **Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:24 pm**

I must admit I am leaning towards getting a fresh face in, but that wouldn't guarentee any overnight success either. The only realistic out of managers are:

John McGreal - Worked with a similar setup at Colchester.
Colin Calderwood - Lings mate, offered job but turned it down before Fletcher.
Paul Tisdale - Currently in an advisory role at Colchester, may stay there.
Richie Wellens - Easily the best out of work manager, but I reckon he'll end up at Forest Green as he lived round that way when he managed Swindon.
Mark Cooper - Won't happen after what he said/didn't say. Also a bit of a dickhead as a human being.
John Askey - Did ok at Port Vale before losing the dressing room there earlier this season.
Sam Ricketts - Did a good job at Wrexham as a rookie, Shrewsbury did us a favour taking him from there in late 2018 but did a below average job there before being sacked.
Harry Kewell - Did ok at basketcase club Oldham - Got them playing good entertaining football which is what people on here seem to want more than anything.

The bigger names will get jobs higher up. Forget Kenny Jackett and Phil Parkinson - NOT happening.

Either that or you try and prize away Michael Flynn from Newport, or maybe even Alex Revell who IMO has worked wonders in the second half of the season at Stevenage.

Any outsider coming in who's currently out of work IMO would be very, very average apart from Richie Wellens who I doubt would come here - Plus it would appear he is still being paid off by Salford and disputing his sacking there.

Posted: **Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:58 pm**

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:25 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:12 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:57 pm
You’re very rude aren’t you.

5 million? No chance has he put 5 million into Orient. They’re selling the same dream to potential investors as people like you lap up. They’re building a club that doesn’t lose money, is in a prime location and could within a few years of good investment be a mainstay in the Championship.
If you bothered to look at the accounts you will see there is a debt of over 14 million.
I am astonished by your stupidity.
How the hell are Orient going to survive in the Championship?
The wage bill will have to be over 14 million.
The ground holds 9200 and we would still struggle to get more than 5000 home fans turn up.
You only have to look at Wycombe.
And how do you think the club won’t lose money?
Charge 5 k for a season ticket?
Who do Leyton Orient owe 14m to? When Orient nearly got promoted to the Championship, did you want them to turn it down because little old Leyton Orient couldn’t possibly afford to be playing with the bigger boys?

You really have no clue how businesses grow or how to run them, do you. I suggest you take a couple of hours to learn and then answer me like a grown up instead of throwing mindless insults around.

Honestly, I’ve disagreed with a lot of people on here and peoples takes on football and the club. You by far, are the absolute worst when it comes to opinions. Your username is incredibly apt.

You have the cheek to tell me I have no clue about business and then follow it up with something a 5 year old could work out.
Who the hell do you think the debt is owed to?
The club is and has always been a financial basket case.
And if we had gone up in 2014 we would have come straight back down again unless there was massive investment in the team Brentford style.

Posted: **Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:02 pm**

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:25 pm
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:05 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:57 pm
You’re very rude aren’t you.

5 million? No chance has he put 5 million into Orient. They’re selling the same dream to potential investors as people like you lap up. They’re building a club that doesn’t lose money, is in a prime location and could within a few years of good investment be a mainstay in the Championship.
We’re losing absolute fortunes.

At the time they took over, the P&L reserve was -£6.7m. The most recent accounts to 30/6/20 show -£14.1m. That’s £7.4m of losses in 3 years.
Who is that £14m owed to?

Why do they say they need to shave another £2m+ to break even?

What has breakeven got to do with accumulated loses?
I suggest you keep off this subject as you obviously haven’t a clue and are making yourself look rather silly.

Posted: **Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:09 pm**

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:05 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:57 pm
Still wrong wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:20 pm

Right,
Tell me how the hell he is going to get 5 million out of Orient?
Your stupidity is beyond belief.
No assets.
No players of any worth.
No untapped support.
It’s a rich mans hobby.
You’re very rude aren’t you.

5 million? No chance has he put 5 million into Orient. They’re selling the same dream to potential investors as people like you lap up. They’re building a club that doesn’t lose money, is in a prime location and could within a few years of good investment be a mainstay in the Championship.
We’re losing absolute fortunes.

At the time they took over, the P&L reserve was -£6.7m. The most recent accounts to 30/6/20 show -£14.1m. That’s £7.4m of losses in 3 years.

Of course we are.
It’s a rich mans hobby.
The only way we can break even consistently is to go semi pro.
It’s the wages that are killing lower league clubs, but it will continue while you have rich people with more money than sense who are prepared to stump up the loses.
Something they wouldn’t do in a normal company.

Posted: **Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:56 pm**

The Big Shot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:24 pm I must admit I am leaning towards getting a fresh face in, but that wouldn't guarentee any overnight success either. The only realistic out of managers are:

John McGreal - Worked with a similar setup at Colchester.
Colin Calderwood - Lings mate, offered job but turned it down before Fletcher.
Paul Tisdale - Currently in an advisory role at Colchester, may stay there.
Richie Wellens - Easily the best out of work manager, but I reckon he'll end up at Forest Green as he lived round that way when he managed Swindon.
Mark Cooper - Won't happen after what he said/didn't say. Also a bit of a dickhead as a human being.
John Askey - Did ok at Port Vale before losing the dressing room there earlier this season.
Sam Ricketts - Did a good job at Wrexham as a rookie, Shrewsbury did us a favour taking him from there in late 2018 but did a below average job there before being sacked.
Harry Kewell - Did ok at basketcase club Oldham - Got them playing good entertaining football which is what people on here seem to want more than anything.

The bigger names will get jobs higher up. Forget Kenny Jackett and Phil Parkinson - NOT happening.

Either that or you try and prize away Michael Flynn from Newport, or maybe even Alex Revell who IMO has worked wonders in the second half of the season at Stevenage.

Any outsider coming in who's currently out of work IMO would be very, very average apart from Richie Wellens who I doubt would come here - Plus it would appear he is still being paid off by Salford and disputing his sacking there.

Posted: **Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:56 pm**

Still wrong wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:02 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:25 pm
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:05 pm

We’re losing absolute fortunes.

At the time they took over, the P&L reserve was -£6.7m. The most recent accounts to 30/6/20 show -£14.1m. That’s £7.4m of losses in 3 years.
Who is that £14m owed to?

Why do they say they need to shave another £2m+ to break even?
What has breakeven got to do with accumulated loses?
I suggest you keep off this subject as you obviously haven’t a clue and are making yourself look rather silly.

No, answer my question. The figures don’t add up.

Posted: **Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:58 pm**

Still wrong wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:09 pm
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:05 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:57 pm
You’re very rude aren’t you.

5 million? No chance has he put 5 million into Orient. They’re selling the same dream to potential investors as people like you lap up. They’re building a club that doesn’t lose money, is in a prime location and could within a few years of good investment be a mainstay in the Championship.
We’re losing absolute fortunes.

At the time they took over, the P&L reserve was -£6.7m. The most recent accounts to 30/6/20 show -£14.1m. That’s £7.4m of losses in 3 years.
Of course we are.
It’s a rich mans hobby.
The only way we can break even consistently is to go semi pro.
It’s the wages that are killing lower league clubs, but it will continue while you have rich people with more money than sense who are prepared to stump up the loses.
Something they wouldn’t do in a normal company.

“Rich man’s hobby” you really are delusional. We have loads of investors lining up to invest in a club that’s ‘lost £14m’ just for a hobby

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