Independent Leyton Orient Forum

cinnamonuk1971 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:03 pm Lets remember where we have come from and that a solid mid table finish might be whats in order, as opposed to yoyo-ing up and down leagues - runnung before we can walk- Some consolidation before we push on again.

Salford are doing it their way, lets do it ours! UP the O's

Esteban wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:17 pm Only cared about Salford when they were a serious threat to us regaining league status.

Now we’re there I couldn’t give less of a t*ss about them.

For what it’s worth I still think that my original prediction about them will come true. They will end up in league 1 in a couple of years and then plateau. They’ll hang around in that division for a good while until the owners get bored and realise that buying your way to the championship and beyond is a LOT harder than buying your way from pub leagues to the football league.

Esteban wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:17 pm Only cared about Salford when they were a serious threat to us regaining league status.

Now we’re there I couldn’t give less of a t*ss about them.

For what it’s worth I still think that my original prediction about them will come true. They will end up in league 1 in a couple of years and then plateau. They’ll hang around in that division for a good while until the owners get bored and realise that buying your way to the championship and beyond is a LOT harder than buying your way from pub leagues to the football league.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:22 pm Salford will buy their way into the Championship. Whatever it takes, they will do, and however much it costs they will spend

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:22 pm Salford will buy their way into the Championship. Whatever it takes, they will do, and however much it costs they will spend

Stowaway wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:35 pm I can see Salford and, to a lesser extent Flynde, doing a Rushden & Diamonds. When they do stall the crowds will tail off, the interest will dry up and so will the money. I can see Flynde going tits up in the next 5 or 6 years, maybe 10. Salford will just stall and end up like Stockport or Rochdale but with less fans.

Stowaway wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:35 pm I can see Salford and, to a lesser extent Flynde, doing a Rushden & Diamonds. When they do stall the crowds will tail off, the interest will dry up and so will the money. I can see Flynde going tits up in the next 5 or 6 years, maybe 10. Salford will just stall and end up like Stockport or Rochdale but with less fans.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:48 pm

Stowaway wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:35 pm I can see Salford and, to a lesser extent Flynde, doing a Rushden & Diamonds. When they do stall the crowds will tail off, the interest will dry up and so will the money. I can see Flynde going tits up in the next 5 or 6 years, maybe 10. Salford will just stall and end up like Stockport or Rochdale but with less fans.

I can't see that. They are owned by 6 ex Man U millionaires and a Singaporean billionaire (he owns Valencia) too.
They will go on and on till the Championship, doing wherever is needed.
I wouldn't even bet against them getting in the Premier League within 10 years.

Esteban wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:48 pm

Stowaway wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:35 pm I can see Salford and, to a lesser extent Flynde, doing a Rushden & Diamonds. When they do stall the crowds will tail off, the interest will dry up and so will the money. I can see Flynde going tits up in the next 5 or 6 years, maybe 10. Salford will just stall and end up like Stockport or Rochdale but with less fans.

Exactly this.

Give it a couple of seasons slogging it out in league 1 and the crowds will soon dwindle.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:05 pm

Esteban wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:48 pm

Stowaway wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:35 pm I can see Salford and, to a lesser extent Flynde, doing a Rushden & Diamonds. When they do stall the crowds will tail off, the interest will dry up and so will the money. I can see Flynde going tits up in the next 5 or 6 years, maybe 10. Salford will just stall and end up like Stockport or Rochdale but with less fans.

Exactly this.

Give it a couple of seasons slogging it out in league 1 and the crowds will soon dwindle.

What crowds?

This is a Brooks Mileson at Gretna fisasco waiting to happen all over again. The FA and EFL are mesmorised by money and the need for success stories. This isn't one of them.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:46 pm How many non league vanity projects have there been?

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - given how high profile the owners of Salford are, they are a lot more secure than we are. There is far more risk of our investors having enough and doing one than there is of their lot.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:54 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:46 pm How many non league vanity projects have there been?

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - given how high profile the owners of Salford are, they are a lot more secure than we are. There is far more risk of our investors having enough and doing one than there is of their lot.

Why do you say that given that Travis is minted and a lifelong fan?

Stowaway wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:24 am Football at every level is littered with vanity projects. Most have failed, and the only ones that have succeeded have been at or near the top end and have involved established clubs, the most recent being Leicester City. AFC Bournemouth are another example but they have the huge advantage of being in the Premiership, where having a ground that only holds 10,000 doesn’t matter because the sponsorship money is insanely high. Most of the Premiership clubs today are owned by investment groups or stupidly wealthy individuals whose money has come from oil or gas, mostly ill-gotten. Those people aren’t really going to interested in anything below the top level clubs, so the rest have to find their own way.

At the next level you can look at Leeds and particularly Portsmouth as examples of going for broke, and ending up just going broke instead. An exception is Burton, who must be spectacularly well-run and budgeted. At the other end of the scale are Forest Green, who have a wealthy backer and who are a prime example of one man’s vanity project - coming out of nowhere, with no roots, history or foundations, in an area where there has previously been nothing and throwing cash at it. These projects are just castles built on sand, and invariably fail.

Below that, non-league is awash with failed vanity projects. Rushden, Colne, Billericay, Sittingbourne, Gravesend and Northfleet, and that’s just off the top of my head. The list is huge. Remember the kerfuffle when disillusioned Man Utd fans set up FC United of Manchester? They had a lot of support and media interest but even that hasn’t stopped then stalling at the NLN with dwindling crowds.
I live in south London these days, and my local non-league outfit is Dulwich Hamlet. They’ve been around for well over 100 years, have had some tough times of late because having your own ground in an area like Dulwich means you’re a prime target for scalpers, but they’ve got over that so far, have been a real community club and attract crowds of around 3,000 in the NLS. That’s because they have a history and a heritage and in football, that means a lot. I’ve already mention Fylde, but they’re the complete opposite of Dulwich. As I said, I give them 5 or 6 years, because without their wealthy backer they’re totally unsustainable because they have no roots, and when he gets bored/dies, they’re screwed. See also Rushden, Gretna.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:26 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:39 am Spending big. How much? Released by BHA so presumably on a free. Last season played for a relegated club. Looks a decent enough signing but hardly startling.

I still wouldn't bet against them finishing at least in the play off places next season . It remains to be seen what quality of players we end up signing.