Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:27 pm
It all stinks of a bargaining tool for either more share of tv rights and money or something like guaranteed qualification to the champions league for certain teams
That’s exactly what it is. Both.
Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal probably won’t make Champions League this season but want to be permanently in Europe as their financial plans dictate it. They would argue that it is better they are in the Champions League than FC Midtjylland as they have millions of fans all around the globe. So whilst UEFA only allow 4 or 5 English teams into the Champions League, there will always be 2 or 3 missing out.
From the Spanish/Italian perspective it is TV money. They want to play in a league with all the English clubs and get more money than they get from UEFA games against minnows.
UEFA are a joke organisation. They created a farcical Champions League along with a Nations League as well as the European championships and had 1000s of footballers flying all over Europe in the midst of a pandemic because of their own greed to not have reduced income from sponsors and TV contracts.
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:27 pm
It all stinks of a bargaining tool for either more share of tv rights and money or something like guaranteed qualification to the champions league for certain teams
If it means the Ugly Sisters can leave Scotia/Alba for the EFL I'm all for it.
POSHO wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:51 pm
So are you saying that these 6 teams will still play in the premiership
Yeah exactly. Issue now of course is the PL have to approve them playing in it, which they won’t and have basically said they won’t as their against it. So basically puts the biggest attractions of the PL against the league itself, only way they could do it without approval is to leave the PL which of course they can do
Premier League could throw the six clubs out, and then see the TV money disappear. I don’t think they will do that.
It could end up like darts. 16 of the top players left in 1993. The BDO who ran the game at the time banned them, but the new organisation got a TV deal with Sky. It struggled for first 6 years with some top players retiring but eventually with the money involved more players joined. By the late 2000s the PDC was the pre-eminent tournament at which point a certain Barry Hearn attempted to buy out the BDO. Last year the BDO folded.
Should the clubs decide to form their own league, they would be at liberty to change some of the laws of the game as they need not adhere to FIFA. So they could have four quarters, time outs, a new interpretation of offside, wider goals and do all manner of things to make the game more TV friendly.
Who cares? Really, who cares? Not me. Football at that level ceased to be about sport years ago, when the FA got into bed with Murdoch and formed the PL. Now almost all of the top flight clubs are owned by Far Eastern or American conglomerates with the sole intention of them being money-making exercises. “Football is nothing without the fans” is a quote widely attributed to Bill Shankley, but it’s not true any more. I’m sure most of the PL clubs would be happy to kick about behind closed doors and not have the extra expense of having to clean seats and toilets and provide basic facilities for the irritants who insist on coming along each week, thus wasting money that could go to the shareholders.
Let ‘em go, I say. There’s not a standard unit of measurement small enough to register the amount of fucks I give about the PL and the self-proclaimed European elite clubs. Let ‘em go, and see how long it takes for them to get bored with playing each other, and more importantly, how long for the fans to get bored and not want to cough up the subs to watch them on Sky or whatever. I cannot wait for the day when the whole shitshow falls apart.
Stowaway wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:37 pm
Who cares? Really, who cares? Not me. Football at that level ceased to be about sport years ago, when the FA got into bed with Murdoch and formed the PL. Now almost all of the top flight clubs are owned by Far Eastern or American conglomerates with the sole intention of them being money-making exercises. “Football is nothing without the fans” is a quote widely attributed to Bill Shankley, but it’s not true any more. I’m sure most of the PL clubs would be happy to kick about behind closed doors and not have the extra expense of having to clean seats and toilets and provide basic facilities for the irritants who insist on coming along each week, thus wasting money that could go to the shareholders.
Let ‘em go, I say. There’s not a standard unit of measurement small enough to register the amount of fucks I give about the PL and the self-proclaimed European elite clubs. Let ‘em go, and see how long it takes for them to get bored with playing each other, and more importantly, how long for the fans to get bored and not want to cough up the subs to watch them on Sky or whatever. I cannot wait for the day when the whole shitshow falls apart.
Totally agree, let em have their own mickey mouse league, if its anything like watching the Champions League, it'll be absolutely riveting
Stowaway wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:37 pm
Who cares? Really, who cares? Not me. Football at that level ceased to be about sport years ago, when the FA got into bed with Murdoch and formed the PL. Now almost all of the top flight clubs are owned by Far Eastern or American conglomerates with the sole intention of them being money-making exercises. “Football is nothing without the fans” is a quote widely attributed to Bill Shankley, but it’s not true any more. I’m sure most of the PL clubs would be happy to kick about behind closed doors and not have the extra expense of having to clean seats and toilets and provide basic facilities for the irritants who insist on coming along each week, thus wasting money that could go to the shareholders.
Let ‘em go, I say. There’s not a standard unit of measurement small enough to register the amount of fucks I give about the PL and the self-proclaimed European elite clubs. Let ‘em go, and see how long it takes for them to get bored with playing each other, and more importantly, how long for the fans to get bored and not want to cough up the subs to watch them on Sky or whatever. I cannot wait for the day when the whole shitshow falls apart.
Totally agree, let em have their own mickey mouse league, if its anything like watching the Champions League, it'll be absolutely riveting
I'm going to disagree and say that it was Jock Stein who said football is nothing without the fans.
Otherwise carry on with the ranting. You're not wrong.
E10EU wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:04 am
At the moment it seems like a big ego trip for those named clubs to feed their belief of unquestioned 'superiority'.
I disagree with that, it comes from a place of fear. With Leicester winning the Premier League, West Ham doing their best to upset the hegemony, and two of the six not qualifying for Champions League football every year then this upsets their income. This is fully about creating a anti-competitive cartel so that their sweet Champions League money is never endangered again.
It's the duty of these club's boards to use best endeavours to deliver returns and protect the investment of their shareholders.
If you just fancy watching some football you can pop along to Walthamstow FC. I even hear that John Mackie will be taking over as manager, so you can grab some fruit and veg while you're there.
I’m inclined to lean to the the let ‘em go and/ or kick ‘em out opinion.
Over here most of football is against it, except some fans of the six, and I’d not offer a prediction what proportion of their fans will be onboard. I’d question if it’ll be quite the commercial success their greedy eyes hope for, not many of us ordinary fans will be paying to watch it and the campaign against it has already started.
Can’t help but wonder that with a closed shop European Super League, there will be a pecking order established, and how much enjoyment it would be for (say) Spurs to always be at the bottom reaches.
As much as I'm sympathetic to the "let them f*ck" off attitude, the domino effect on the lower leagues could be a disaster. There's so much speculative investment throughout the pyramid based upon the idea of moving onto the next level. Take away the idea of success actually being rewarded and there's going to be a lot of owners who've put a lot of money in who will walk away.
It really is sickening, the timing, the lack of consultation, the enforced complicity that genuine fans of the big clubs are being subjected to. What you hope will happen is a coordinated response across governments to make it almost unviable. Stuff like rescinding visas for foreign players at these clubs, barring from domestic tournaments, banning players from international tournaments. Call their bluffs - no matter how big these clubs are, they are still small fry compared to the collective strength of national states and governing bodies.
Fair play to them, given the amounts quoted they'd be stupid not to go. They're private companies at the end of the day so the bottom line is always going to come first.
Sky et al are throwing their toys out the pram because their precious TV rights that drive their inflated subscription model are at risk
Not quite sure what to make of all this. As an Orient supporter does it affect the O’s? Hasn’t the Premier League created this monster in the first place by giving these top clubs to much power in the first place? Do most of these clubs give a toss about what the ordinary supporter want? Finally I do bang on about jobs for the boys within the O’s set up but isn’t this a jobs for the boys on a larger scale?
Is it relevant? I feel football has become very sterile of late. Especially with Covid restrictions which will probably last a long time. Man City V Chelsea was boring & should have been a cracking match. Sky, Premier League, greedy players , Yanks & Aarabs have sailed the game down the Swanee River. Probably too late to get the lifeboats out.
How are they going to fit all these proposed matches in? 18 league games, then potentially another 7 games if you are in the play offs. The English clubs will want to opt out of the EFL trophy as an absolute minimum. You can probably add no replays in the FA cup ever again. Add in the international calendar, players will be playing 2 games a week for nearly all of the season. Completely unsustainable on a physical level, let alone an evironmental one with all the travelling.
Don't agree oftet with Gary Neville, but he is right to request points deduction for even suggesting this as if it goes through, this country will be down to 2 professional leagues when all the TV money dries up for an inferior premier league product.
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:53 am
These teams still intend to compete in the PL right?
Yes that is correct, think it'll be down to if FIFA/ UEFA/ PL would allow them to.
They should be allowed to choose whether to compete in the CL or ESL. In the same way teams have to register to compete in cups etc. That way if an ESL team finishes in a CL place, the place drops down a position in the league table. All teams get what they want then and the funds of CL get spread to other teams. And who wouldn’t want to see say Juve vs City or RM vs Bayern on an almost weekly basis? Better than fecking Arsenal vs that racist Czech lot
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:27 am
I’m inclined to lean to the the let ‘em go and/ or kick ‘em out opinion.
Over here most of football is against it, except some fans of the six, and I’d not offer a prediction what proportion of their fans will be onboard. I’d question if it’ll be quite the commercial success their greedy eyes hope for, not many of us ordinary fans will be paying to watch it and the campaign against it has already started.
Can’t help but wonder that with a closed shop European Super League, there will be a pecking order established, and how much enjoyment it would be for (say) Spurs to always be at the bottom reaches.
If you are referring to the uk fan base it doesn’t matter what proportion want it. Clubs have long since past caring about the 50,000 that turn up week in and out. China and India will lap it up. That’s all that matters.
Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:25 pm
If they try to go ahead not only will the FA throw them out but so will UEFA they won’t have access to referees and officials for a start, the players will likely be banned from international football. It’s possible that the government might even revoke their licenses to hold matches.
I can’t see this happening give it a week and clubs will be back tracking like there’s no tomorrow.
