Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:09 pm

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 11:19 am Why is a Leyton Orient message board slowly turning into a refuge for thinly veiled Islamophobia?

Really, really disappointing and I seriously hope the admins take appropriate action.

There is a wildly disproportionate amount of threads on this board about Islam, which is odd considering this is a football message board.

I note that the OP, like others on here, is quick to caveat his comment with the classic line of "I'm being controversial here" and suggesting that any stick he may get for his misplaced comments are simply the result of "political correctness". And indeed, we already see a member dismissing a very valid point against the original comment by claiming that a "PC alarm" has gone off.

I'm certain that the person who set up this message board did not do it so that this kind of behavior can flourish.

Maybe you should try discussing things with people you disagree with rather than trying to shut them down like a fascist.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 11:47 am Any religion that kills animals for food by making them suffer a terrible death deserves all the ridicule it gets. f*** Em.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:24 pm Periods of fasting or abstinence is common place in religion. As a Catholic is was fish on Fridays and the need to give up something during Lent. Allegedly aimed at promoting self discipline and as an atonement for sins. Not aware that this was the cause of a lack of ability to do a job.

However, never really thought about Ramadan before. But it’s not a stretch to consider the possibility of such strict fasting having an effect on someone’s ability to perform their job fully and in some cases impact public safety. That is not an unreasonable question. Not too sure how fasting pilots cope when daylight can last for many more hours on long haul depending on the direction of the journey.

But who knows, I doubt statistics exist for this sort of thing and even the mere thought of collecting them would cause outrage. So any risks. We will never know.

West Side Story wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 10:37 am I am going to be controversial here, but would like to open up a serious & sensible debate. This year Ramadan is falling in May/June. In the UK this is the period of maximum daylight hours. People who observe Ramadan, cease eating & often drinking too during daylight hours, unless they have a medical dispensation, and even then they often attempt to observe the fast. There is an article about this on the BBC website about a girl who says she gets ratty. Now I have a vested interest as, I lost my job because of this ( somebody else was fasting ). But are we happy that the bus or lorry driver has been driving all day long with nothing to eat? Or what about being treated by a doctor similarly starved? Teachers on their feet all day and so on. Being diabetic I know that low blood glucose can have a bad effect on your body. Often creeping up on you without you being aware. Anyone know if anyone has collected data on traffic accidents during Ramadan? My gut instinct tells me that this is a similar situation to the Asian grooming offences. Because of sensitivity to peoples Religion, Political Correctness and so on, it is perhaps a "no-go " area. Over to you guys. Please try and be objective. This is a serious thread.

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:18 pm
The fact that you can't see the difference between making fun of somebodies political position and having a pop at somebodies race/religion/ethnicity, explains a lot.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:57 pm

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:18 pm
The fact that you can't see the difference between making fun of somebodies political position and having a pop at somebodies race/religion/ethnicity, explains a lot.

It might be connected to a political position but it is actually making fun of the colour and tone of their skin.
Which is something that you ordinarily seem to be against.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:59 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:57 pm

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:18 pm
The fact that you can't see the difference between making fun of somebodies political position and having a pop at somebodies race/religion/ethnicity, explains a lot.

It might be connected to a political position but it is actually making fun of the colour and tone of their skin.
Which is something that you ordinarily seem to be against.

Oh give it a rest, hammy.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:57 pm

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:18 pm
The fact that you can't see the difference between making fun of somebodies political position and having a pop at somebodies race/religion/ethnicity, explains a lot.

It might be connected to a political position but it is actually making fun of the colour and tone of their skin.
Which is something that you ordinarily seem to be against.

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:03 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:57 pm

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:18 pm
The fact that you can't see the difference between making fun of somebodies political position and having a pop at somebodies race/religion/ethnicity, explains a lot.

It might be connected to a political position but it is actually making fun of the colour and tone of their skin.
Which is something that you ordinarily seem to be against.

Trying to defend Islamophobia by claiming that I'm a hypocrite for not having too much sympathy for somebody else using the phrase "gammon" really is clutching at straws.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:01 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:59 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:57 pm

It might be connected to a political position but it is actually making fun of the colour and tone of their skin.
Which is something that you ordinarily seem to be against.

Oh give it a rest, hammy.

No. Just trying to understand why it is ok to have a pop at some people based on their skin colour but not all.

And be as boring as Esteban in the process.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:10 pm
You're the boaring one on this subject.

Can everyone please ignore the gammons ham-fisted attempts to de-rail this thread and get it bacon track.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:08 pm

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:03 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:57 pm

It might be connected to a political position but it is actually making fun of the colour and tone of their skin.
Which is something that you ordinarily seem to be against.

Trying to defend Islamophobia by claiming that I'm a hypocrite for not having too much sympathy for somebody else using the phrase "gammon" really is clutching at straws.

Wrong again. Not defending Islamophobia but just asking a question why attacking white people on the colour of their skin is acceptable?

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:36 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 1:24 pm Periods of fasting or abstinence is common place in religion. As a Catholic is was fish on Fridays and the need to give up something during Lent. Allegedly aimed at promoting self discipline and as an atonement for sins. Not aware that this was the cause of a lack of ability to do a job.

However, never really thought about Ramadan before. But it’s not a stretch to consider the possibility of such strict fasting having an effect on someone’s ability to perform their job fully and in some cases impact public safety. That is not an unreasonable question. Not too sure how fasting pilots cope when daylight can last for many more hours on long haul depending on the direction of the journey.

But who knows, I doubt statistics exist for this sort of thing and even the mere thought of collecting them would cause outrage. So any risks. We will never know.

My understanding is they operate on the daylight hours at the place they take off at, irrespective of where they are and whether it is daylight.

I understand this question arose previously regarding an astronaut in space where it was continuous daylight owing to their orbit. I understand it was decreed they must observe the daylight hours at the launch site

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 4:03 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:08 pm

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:03 pm

Trying to defend Islamophobia by claiming that I'm a hypocrite for not having too much sympathy for somebody else using the phrase "gammon" really is clutching at straws.

Wrong again. Not defending Islamophobia but just asking a question why attacking white people on the colour of their skin is acceptable?

Where did I say it was?

Even more amusing is that you're trying to claim that my lack of protest against the use of the word "gammon" must mean that I don't have a problem with it. Well, using the same logic, your lack of protest against Islamphobic comments is evidence that you don't have a problem with it.

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 4:21 pm

Esteban wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 4:03 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:08 pm

Wrong again. Not defending Islamophobia but just asking a question why attacking white people on the colour of their skin is acceptable?

Where did I say it was?

Even more amusing is that you're trying to claim that my lack of protest against the use of the word "gammon" must mean that I don't have a problem with it. Well, using the same logic, your lack of protest against Islamphobic comments is evidence that you don't have a problem with it.

I don't have a problem with anything that doesn't concern me. Which is why I have a problem with you accusing me of being Islamophobic based on a flippant post on a messageboard.

West Side Story wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 5:04 pm Right, I have been doing other things since I posted and not been online. I was not running away! Typical,when people do controversial things and hide behind Religion, people shout out Racism etc! Now i reckon abstaining from food and drink whilst doing an important job, is controversial, if you read my article carefully before your apoplexies, you would have noted my highlighting Ramadan in the period of longest total daylight. I know from being a diabetic, if I have done unusual exercise and not eaten, I become quite light headed. Some diabetics have been accused of being drunk until further tested.
Now for the nosey people who need to know why I lost my job ( why? ). I had a dream job as a school lab technician after I took early retirement from BT. The head Technician was a Muslim. He was always pretty horrible to me and in fact I reported him for bullying ( the bizarre thing is, he put his hands up and admitted to it ). Anyway after I had been there 6 months, I went in to work with a fairly high fever. I felt rough and told them. Head Tech was fasting and had been ratty for a few days. Ofsted were in the school and he delivered the wrong books to the wrong class. He had his ear bent by Head of Science Dept. I was busy doing my own work and he snarled at me to sort out his drop-off. Being unwell I told him to F-off and I was going home sick. When I returned to work, I was told I was sacked by Headmaster ( he not know I joined Union ). There was a big row involving Local Authority. Headmaster refused to back down. i was offered virtually any job going in the Council. But politely told them what they could do with their job, as I now had picked up my BT Retirement lump sum and getting full pension. But I was livid as this was my dream job. Karma: I was told 18 months later head tech had gone & Headmaster was sacked as he had drunkenly wrapped his car around a tree, shortly after having his collar felt for trying to trade Honours!

West Side Story wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 5:04 pm Right, I have been doing other things since I posted and not been online. I was not running away! Typical,when people do controversial things and hide behind Religion, people shout out Racism etc! Now i reckon abstaining from food and drink whilst doing an important job, is controversial, if you read my article carefully before your apoplexies, you would have noted my highlighting Ramadan in the period of longest total daylight. I know from being a diabetic, if I have done unusual exercise and not eaten, I become quite light headed. Some diabetics have been accused of being drunk until further tested.
Now for the nosey people who need to know why I lost my job ( why? ). I had a dream job as a school lab technician after I took early retirement from BT. The head Technician was a Muslim. He was always pretty horrible to me and in fact I reported him for bullying ( the bizarre thing is, he put his hands up and admitted to it ). Anyway after I had been there 6 months, I went in to work with a fairly high fever. I felt rough and told them. Head Tech was fasting and had been ratty for a few days. Ofsted were in the school and he delivered the wrong books to the wrong class. He had his ear bent by Head of Science Dept. I was busy doing my own work and he snarled at me to sort out his drop-off. Being unwell I told him to F-off and I was going home sick. When I returned to work, I was told I was sacked by Headmaster ( he not know I joined Union ). There was a big row involving Local Authority. Headmaster refused to back down. i was offered virtually any job going in the Council. But politely told them what they could do with their job, as I now had picked up my BT Retirement lump sum and getting full pension. But I was livid as this was my dream job. Karma: I was told 18 months later head tech had gone & Headmaster was sacked as he had drunkenly wrapped his car around a tree, shortly after having his collar felt for trying to trade Honours!

West Side Story wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 5:04 pm Right, I have been doing other things since I posted and not been online. I was not running away! Typical,when people do controversial things and hide behind Religion, people shout out Racism etc!

Now i reckon abstaining from food and drink whilst doing an important job, is controversial, if you read my article carefully before your apoplexies, you would have noted my highlighting Ramadan in the period of longest total daylight. I know from being a diabetic, if I have done unusual exercise and not eaten, I become quite light headed. Some diabetics have been accused of being drunk until further tested.

Now for the nosey people who need to know why I lost my job ( why? ). I had a dream job as a school lab technician after I took early retirement from BT. The head Technician was a Muslim. He was always pretty horrible to me and in fact I reported him for bullying ( the bizarre thing is, he put his hands up and admitted to it ). Anyway after I had been there 6 months, I went in to work with a fairly high fever. I felt rough and told them. Head Tech was fasting and had been ratty for a few days. Ofsted were in the school and he delivered the wrong books to the wrong class. He had his ear bent by Head of Science Dept. I was busy doing my own work and he snarled at me to sort out his drop-off. Being unwell I told him to F-off and I was going home sick. When I returned to work, I was told I was sacked by Headmaster ( he not know I joined Union ). There was a big row involving Local Authority. Headmaster refused to back down. i was offered virtually any job going in the Council. But politely told them what they could do with their job, as I now had picked up my BT Retirement lump sum and getting full pension. But I was livid as this was my dream job. Karma: I was told 18 months later head tech had gone & Headmaster was sacked as he had drunkenly wrapped his car around a tree, shortly after having his collar felt for trying to trade Honours!