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tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:34 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:21 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:44 pm

Couldnt have put it better myself fella

I’ve done alright for myself.
You might want to look at The Building trade to see the damage mass immigration has done.

Most in the building trade i know have done very well fkr themselves
English Irish Lithuanian Polish Romanian .

None seem to be short of a bob or 2 .

Even 1 of our own resident posters has foreign employees & he is a brexiteer .

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:42 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:34 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:21 pm
I’ve done alright for myself.
You might want to look at The Building trade to see the damage mass immigration has done.

Most in the building trade i know have done very well fkr themselves
English Irish Lithuanian Polish Romanian .

None seem to be short of a bob or 2 .

Even 1 of our own resident posters has foreign employees & he is a brexiteer .

You have answered my point.
They are under cutting the British worker.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:44 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:42 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:34 pm

Most in the building trade i know have done very well fkr themselves
English Irish Lithuanian Polish Romanian .

None seem to be short of a bob or 2 .

Even 1 of our own resident posters has foreign employees & he is a brexiteer .

You have answered my point.
They are under cutting the British worker.

You see the prices they are charging youd soon change your opinion

Still keep trying , i can see you need a chat

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:49 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:44 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:42 pm

You have answered my point.
They are under cutting the British worker.

You see the prices they are charging youd soon change your opinion

Still keep trying , i can see you need a chat

Less than the British worker.
But you wouldn’t know that.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:49 pm We are out of that of that club now and I don’t see us rejoining unless they reform.
Couldn’t give a toss about Scotland myself.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:40 pm

o-no wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:37 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:20 pm

market of less than 12 countries all with similar wealth.
Not like now with free movement from poor nations undermining working terms and conditions.

That’s only true for very low skilled work, and if that’s the only kind of work you can do because you did not learn a trade, then you need to decide who’s responsibility that is. Of course it also ignores all the positive benefits of UK movement to other countries

What rubbish.
People in whatever field they are in have fought long and hard for half decent employment conditions and have seen them eroded away by a plentiful supply of cheap labour from abroad.
Blair is a absolute disgrace to allow this to happen.
Its no coincidence that we now have 2 million working people going to food banks because employers can pay a pittance to 6 people sharing a house.
Also the government top up wages of millions of people because of this disgrace.

o-no wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:53 am

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:40 pm

o-no wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:37 pm

That’s only true for very low skilled work, and if that’s the only kind of work you can do because you did not learn a trade, then you need to decide who’s responsibility that is. Of course it also ignores all the positive benefits of UK movement to other countries

What rubbish.
People in whatever field they are in have fought long and hard for half decent employment conditions and have seen them eroded away by a plentiful supply of cheap labour from abroad.
Blair is a absolute disgrace to allow this to happen.
Its no coincidence that we now have 2 million working people going to food banks because employers can pay a pittance to 6 people sharing a house.
Also the government top up wages of millions of people because of this disgrace.

Sorry, that may be your belief, but it isn’t what studies into exactly this have concluded.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:39 am

o-no wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:53 am

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:40 pm

What rubbish.
People in whatever field they are in have fought long and hard for half decent employment conditions and have seen them eroded away by a plentiful supply of cheap labour from abroad.
Blair is a absolute disgrace to allow this to happen.
Its no coincidence that we now have 2 million working people going to food banks because employers can pay a pittance to 6 people sharing a house.
Also the government top up wages of millions of people because of this disgrace.

Sorry, that may be your belief, but it isn’t what studies into exactly this have concluded.

Sorry you are wrong.
My own brother is a Bus driver (Which you might say low skilled, could you drive one in London)?they have had on their benefits stripped away since 2010 where overtime is paid at single rate, no enhancement for unsociable hours etc etc.
They say if you don’t want to do it then there are 20 Eastern European’s who will.
What do you expect them to do? Learn a trade at the age of 50.?
You are as out of touch as the Labour Party.
This has happened all over the country in different industries.
One of my neighbours works in a River Island warehouse, another who you would call low skill.
They have increased their hours and stopped overtime payments, the Union tried to fight this but were in a weak position because all the desparate foreign workers would do it.
I will turn the argument on its head, we don’t need “low skilled” foreign workers we have enough of our own to cover this the only the British worker insists on is being treated fairly and rewarded fairly.
We now also have night work paid at just above the minimum wage.
I knew a fella that used to work at our local Tesco warehouse 20 years ago,he was on time and a half for night work plus paid breaks etc. The reason they gave all these extra benefits is because no one would work these hours otherwise. This has now changed with Blair’s idiotic decision to open the floodgates without putting laws in place to ensure companies would not exploit this.
The grinning idiot thought there would only be a few thousand come over obviously forgetting the English language is spoke all over the world.

o-no wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:04 am

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:39 am

o-no wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:53 am

Sorry, that may be your belief, but it isn’t what studies into exactly this have concluded.

Sorry you are wrong.
My own brother is a Bus driver (Which you might say low skilled, could you drive one in London)?they have had on their benefits stripped away since 2010 where overtime is paid at single rate, no enhancement for unsociable hours etc etc.
They say if you don’t want to do it then there are 20 Eastern European’s who will.
What do you expect them to do? Learn a trade at the age of 50.?
You are as out of touch as the Labour Party.
This has happened all over the country in different industries.
One of my neighbours works in a River Island warehouse, another who you would call low skill.
They have increased their hours and stopped overtime payments, the Union tried to fight this but were in a weak position because all the desparate foreign workers would do it.
I will turn the argument on its head, we don’t need “low skilled” foreign workers we have enough of our own to cover this the only the British worker insists on is being treated fairly and rewarded fairly.
We now also have night work paid at just above the minimum wage.
I knew a fella that used to work at our local Tesco warehouse 20 years ago,he was on time and a half for night work plus paid breaks etc. The reason they gave all these extra benefits is because no one would work these hours otherwise. This has now changed with Blair’s idiotic decision to open the floodgates without putting laws in place to ensure companies would not exploit this.
The grinning idiot thought there would only be a few thousand come over obviously forgetting the English language is spoke all over the world.

I'm not saying that you haven't experienced this (or that I could drive a bus - I couldn't) but those few experiences does not make your assertion universally true. All I am saying is, since this is a common argument, that it has been well studied and the conclusion of these studies is that migration has little impact on employment and t&c's but where it does, it is primarily on the lower to unskilled sector.

Please understand, I'm not being personal, and this is no comfort to those experiencing this first hand, but the solution isn't to slam the door closed, it's to retrain or make sure you learn some skills in the first place. It is possible to learn new things in your fifties. Many of the jobs you think you might be securing are extremely vulnerable to automation anyway. Politics aside, that's the reality.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:06 am

o-no wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:04 am

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:39 am

Sorry you are wrong.
My own brother is a Bus driver (Which you might say low skilled, could you drive one in London)?they have had on their benefits stripped away since 2010 where overtime is paid at single rate, no enhancement for unsociable hours etc etc.
They say if you don’t want to do it then there are 20 Eastern European’s who will.
What do you expect them to do? Learn a trade at the age of 50.?
You are as out of touch as the Labour Party.
This has happened all over the country in different industries.
One of my neighbours works in a River Island warehouse, another who you would call low skill.
They have increased their hours and stopped overtime payments, the Union tried to fight this but were in a weak position because all the desparate foreign workers would do it.
I will turn the argument on its head, we don’t need “low skilled” foreign workers we have enough of our own to cover this the only the British worker insists on is being treated fairly and rewarded fairly.
We now also have night work paid at just above the minimum wage.
I knew a fella that used to work at our local Tesco warehouse 20 years ago,he was on time and a half for night work plus paid breaks etc. The reason they gave all these extra benefits is because no one would work these hours otherwise. This has now changed with Blair’s idiotic decision to open the floodgates without putting laws in place to ensure companies would not exploit this.
The grinning idiot thought there would only be a few thousand come over obviously forgetting the English language is spoke all over the world.

I'm not saying that you haven't experienced this (or that I could drive a bus - I couldn't) but those few experiences does not make your assertion universally true. All I am saying is, since this is a common argument, that it has been well studied and the conclusion of these studies is that migration has little impact on employment and t&c's but where it does, it is primarily on the lower to unskilled sector.

Please understand, I'm not being personal, and this is no comfort to those experiencing this first hand, but the solution isn't to slam the door closed, it's to retrain or make sure you learn some skills in the first place. It is possible to learn new things in your fifties. Many of the jobs you think you might be securing are extremely vulnerable to automation anyway. Politics aside, that's the reality.

You are so out of touch it is unreal.
I accept that certain jobs are open to automation.
I have experienced this myself in the print trade.
The presses are now fully automated and have been de-skilled.
This has resulted in lower wages and less staff.
I have been out of work for a year, and in that time I have turned down 4 jobs because I will not devalue myself and work for terms and conditions my father fought against in the 1930s
Fortunately,I am not as thick as two short planks like you think.
I paid my mortgage off in 2010 and because I have more than 16 k I can’t claim a penny off the state.
The minimum wage is not first for purpose.
This needs to be addressed.
How the hell companies can legally pay people under 25 less for doing the same job as someone who is older?
You are a adult at 18. This is blatant age discrimination.
My brother left school at 16 in 1972.
He got a “unskilled job” job at Britain’s toy factory.
He got a “woman’s wage” for 6 months, then he was put on a full mans wage after that.
By the time he was 18 he had moved out and bought his own car for £500.
No one there was exploited and yes, my Dad called it a dead end job but you could certainly support yourself.
Again, we don’t need an influx of lower skilled workers driving conditions down.
We have a good and ready British workforce who will do the job for decent terms and conditions.
And no, the government should NOT be topping up wages to help out their mates who can’t or won’t pay a fair wage.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:19 am

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:06 am

o-no wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:04 am

I'm not saying that you haven't experienced this (or that I could drive a bus - I couldn't) but those few experiences does not make your assertion universally true. All I am saying is, since this is a common argument, that it has been well studied and the conclusion of these studies is that migration has little impact on employment and t&c's but where it does, it is primarily on the lower to unskilled sector.

Please understand, I'm not being personal, and this is no comfort to those experiencing this first hand, but the solution isn't to slam the door closed, it's to retrain or make sure you learn some skills in the first place. It is possible to learn new things in your fifties. Many of the jobs you think you might be securing are extremely vulnerable to automation anyway. Politics aside, that's the reality.

You are so out of touch it is unreal.
I accept that certain jobs are open to automation.
I have experienced this myself in the print trade.
The presses are now fully automated and have been de-skilled.
This has resulted in lower wages and less staff.
I have been out of work for a year, and in that time I have turned down 4 jobs because I will not devalue myself and work for terms and conditions my father fought against in the 1930s
Fortunately,I am not as thick as two short planks like you think.
I paid my mortgage off in 2010 and because I have more than 16 k I can’t claim a penny off the state.
The minimum wage is not first for purpose.
This needs to be addressed.
How the hell companies can legally pay people under 25 less for doing the same job as someone who is older?
You are a adult at 18. This is blatant age discrimination.
My brother left school at 16 in 1972.
He got a “unskilled job” job at Britain’s toy factory.
He got a “woman’s wage” for 6 months, then he was put on a full mans wage after that.
By the time he was 18 he had moved out and bought his own car for £500.
No one there was exploited and yes, my Dad called it a dead end job but you could certainly support yourself.
Again, we don’t need an influx of lower skilled workers driving conditions down.
We have a good and ready British workforce who will do the job for decent terms and conditions.
And no, the government should NOT be topping up wages to help out their mates who can’t or won’t pay a fair wage.

Why was your brother paid a womans wage in 1972 & then later put on a Mans wage ?

Women had equal pay from 1970 as law, after the sewing machine strikes in 1968
At Dagenham Ford & was rolled out in law across the country
So that argument is blown out of the water , as for Unskilled British workers ,
Why was there a need for the windrush generation , was it not because
British workers did not want to do such jobs ?

Hence the government appealed for people from different parts of the commonwealth
To come & make a living here .

Finally regarding Minimum wage , why have the Right of Centre Tory Government not
Increased this dramatically in the last 10 years ?

Because they arent interested in serving the working man !

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:26 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:19 am

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:06 am

You are so out of touch it is unreal.
I accept that certain jobs are open to automation.
I have experienced this myself in the print trade.
The presses are now fully automated and have been de-skilled.
This has resulted in lower wages and less staff.
I have been out of work for a year, and in that time I have turned down 4 jobs because I will not devalue myself and work for terms and conditions my father fought against in the 1930s
Fortunately,I am not as thick as two short planks like you think.
I paid my mortgage off in 2010 and because I have more than 16 k I can’t claim a penny off the state.
The minimum wage is not first for purpose.
This needs to be addressed.
How the hell companies can legally pay people under 25 less for doing the same job as someone who is older?
You are a adult at 18. This is blatant age discrimination.
My brother left school at 16 in 1972.
He got a “unskilled job” job at Britain’s toy factory.
He got a “woman’s wage” for 6 months, then he was put on a full mans wage after that.
By the time he was 18 he had moved out and bought his own car for £500.
No one there was exploited and yes, my Dad called it a dead end job but you could certainly support yourself.
Again, we don’t need an influx of lower skilled workers driving conditions down.
We have a good and ready British workforce who will do the job for decent terms and conditions.
And no, the government should NOT be topping up wages to help out their mates who can’t or won’t pay a fair wage.

Why was your brother paid a womans wage in 1972 & then later put on a Mans wage ?

Women had equal pay from 1970 as law, after the sewing machine strikes in 1968
At Dagenham Ford & was rolled out in law across the country
So that argument is blown out of the water , as for Unskilled British workers ,
Why was there a need for the windrush generation , was it not because
British workers did not want to do such jobs ?

Hence the government appealed for people from different parts of the commonwealth
To come & make a living here .

Finally regarding Minimum wage , why have the Right of Centre Tory Government not
Increased this dramatically in the last 10 years ?

Because they arent interested in serving the working man !

Just because it was the law doesn’t mean it was adhered to.
You can’t compare the 1950 s to now, we were rebuilding after a World War.
As I say, the minimum wage is not fit for purpose. All the things Corbyn should have been fighting for instead of carrying wreaths for terrorists.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:36 am

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:26 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:19 am

Why was your brother paid a womans wage in 1972 & then later put on a Mans wage ?

Women had equal pay from 1970 as law, after the sewing machine strikes in 1968
At Dagenham Ford & was rolled out in law across the country
So that argument is blown out of the water , as for Unskilled British workers ,
Why was there a need for the windrush generation , was it not because
British workers did not want to do such jobs ?

Hence the government appealed for people from different parts of the commonwealth
To come & make a living here .

Finally regarding Minimum wage , why have the Right of Centre Tory Government not
Increased this dramatically in the last 10 years ?

Because they arent interested in serving the working man !

Just because it was the law doesn’t mean it was adhered to.
You can’t compare the 1950 s to now, we were rebuilding after a World War.
As I say, the minimum wage is not fit for purpose. All the things Corbyn should have been fighting for instead of carrying wreaths for terrorists.

You have used your arguments consistently to make comparisons
from the 1930s & 1970s & now you say " you cant make comparisons from the 1950s

So British Companies exploited the working people & broke the law
with regards to Equal Pay ?
Ok no wonder British workers dont want to drive busses or do unskilled work

Corbyn did concentrate on workers rights
It was part of his manifesto at both of his election campaigns .

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:55 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:36 am

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:26 am

Just because it was the law doesn’t mean it was adhered to.
You can’t compare the 1950 s to now, we were rebuilding after a World War.
As I say, the minimum wage is not fit for purpose. All the things Corbyn should have been fighting for instead of carrying wreaths for terrorists.

You have used your arguments consistently to make comparisons
from the 1930s & 1970s & now you say " you cant make comparisons from the 1950s

So British Companies exploited the working people & broke the law
with regards to Equal Pay ?
Ok no wonder British workers dont want to drive busses or do unskilled work

Corbyn did concentrate on workers rights
It was part of his manifesto at both of his election campaigns .

We were rebuilding after the war, hence the need for workers. Not the case now.
Corbyn did not lead on worker’s rights,if he did he would have campaigned on the reform of the minimum wage.
But this overgrown schoolboy was never a leader.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:39 am

o-no wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:53 am

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:40 pm

What rubbish.
People in whatever field they are in have fought long and hard for half decent employment conditions and have seen them eroded away by a plentiful supply of cheap labour from abroad.
Blair is a absolute disgrace to allow this to happen.
Its no coincidence that we now have 2 million working people going to food banks because employers can pay a pittance to 6 people sharing a house.
Also the government top up wages of millions of people because of this disgrace.

Sorry, that may be your belief, but it isn’t what studies into exactly this have concluded.

Sorry you are wrong.
My own brother is a Bus driver (Which you might say low skilled, could you drive one in London)?they have had on their benefits stripped away since 2010 where overtime is paid at single rate, no enhancement for unsociable hours etc etc.
They say if you don’t want to do it then there are 20 Eastern European’s who will.
What do you expect them to do? Learn a trade at the age of 50.?
You are as out of touch as the Labour Party.
This has happened all over the country in different industries.
One of my neighbours works in a River Island warehouse, another who you would call low skill.
They have increased their hours and stopped overtime payments, the Union tried to fight this but were in a weak position because all the desparate foreign workers would do it.
I will turn the argument on its head, we don’t need “low skilled” foreign workers we have enough of our own to cover this the only the British worker insists on is being treated fairly and rewarded fairly.
We now also have night work paid at just above the minimum wage.
I knew a fella that used to work at our local Tesco warehouse 20 years ago,he was on time and a half for night work plus paid breaks etc. The reason they gave all these extra benefits is because no one would work these hours otherwise. This has now changed with Blair’s idiotic decision to open the floodgates without putting laws in place to ensure companies would not exploit this.
The grinning idiot thought there would only be a few thousand come over obviously forgetting the English language is spoke all over the world.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:02 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:55 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:36 am

You have used your arguments consistently to make comparisons
from the 1930s & 1970s & now you say " you cant make comparisons from the 1950s

So British Companies exploited the working people & broke the law
with regards to Equal Pay ?
Ok no wonder British workers dont want to drive busses or do unskilled work

Corbyn did concentrate on workers rights
It was part of his manifesto at both of his election campaigns .

We were rebuilding after the war, hence the need for workers. Not the case now.
Corbyn did not lead on worker’s rights,if he did he would have campaigned on the reform of the minimum wage.
But this overgrown schoolboy was never a leader.

Rebuilding after a war ?
When 1972 or the 1930s ?

The Windrush immigration was my point in the 1950s to which you replied
" WE CANT COMPARE ".

Any semblence of an argument you have has been dismantled by YOURSELF.

I dont need to argue , I just point out you dont know what you are talking about .

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:06 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:02 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:55 am

We were rebuilding after the war, hence the need for workers. Not the case now.
Corbyn did not lead on worker’s rights,if he did he would have campaigned on the reform of the minimum wage.
But this overgrown schoolboy was never a leader.

Rebuilding after a war ?
When 1972 or the 1930s ?

The Windrush immigration was my point in the 1950s to which you replied
" WE CANT COMPARE ".

Any semblence of an argument you have has been dismantled by YOURSELF.

I dont need to argue , I just point out you dont know what you are talking about .

I am not arguing with you anymore as you are dragging me down to your level of stupidity.
You are also out of work, why aren’t you doing these jobs instead of poncing off the state?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:18 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:06 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:02 pm

Rebuilding after a war ?
When 1972 or the 1930s ?

The Windrush immigration was my point in the 1950s to which you replied
" WE CANT COMPARE ".

Any semblence of an argument you have has been dismantled by YOURSELF.

I dont need to argue , I just point out you dont know what you are talking about .

I am not arguing with you anymore as you are dragging me down to your level of stupidity.
You are also out of work, why aren’t you doing these jobs instead of poncing off the state?

Why should i devalue my worth & accept low pay ?

I am not dragging you down
Im bringing you upto a level that is too much for you

Who is Poncing ? I have paid my Stamp .
If i hadnt i would get any benefit .

How much of your 16 k have you got left ?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:18 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:06 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:02 pm

Rebuilding after a war ?
When 1972 or the 1930s ?

The Windrush immigration was my point in the 1950s to which you replied
" WE CANT COMPARE ".

Any semblence of an argument you have has been dismantled by YOURSELF.

I dont need to argue , I just point out you dont know what you are talking about .

I am not arguing with you anymore as you are dragging me down to your level of stupidity.
You are also out of work, why aren’t you doing these jobs instead of poncing off the state?

Why should i devalue my worth & accept low pay ?

I am not dragging you down
Im bringing you upto a level that is too much for you

Who is Poncing ? I have paid my Stamp .
If i hadnt i would get any benefit .

How much of your 16 k have you got left ?

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:01 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:18 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:06 pm

I am not arguing with you anymore as you are dragging me down to your level of stupidity.
You are also out of work, why aren’t you doing these jobs instead of poncing off the state?

Why should i devalue my worth & accept low pay ?

I am not dragging you down
Im bringing you upto a level that is too much for you

Who is Poncing ? I have paid my Stamp .
If i hadnt i would get any benefit .

How much of your 16 k have you got left ?

Mind your own business.
You are poncing.
You should be looking for work.
You are not in a position to be fussy.
I am.

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:03 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:18 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:06 pm

I am not arguing with you anymore as you are dragging me down to your level of stupidity.
You are also out of work, why aren’t you doing these jobs instead of poncing off the state?

Why should i devalue my worth & accept low pay ?

I am not dragging you down
Im bringing you upto a level that is too much for you

Who is Poncing ? I have paid my Stamp .
If i hadnt i would get any benefit .

How much of your 16 k have you got left ?

Your first line just proves the argument over cheap Labour from Eastern Europe.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:08 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:01 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:18 pm

Why should i devalue my worth & accept low pay ?

I am not dragging you down
Im bringing you upto a level that is too much for you

Who is Poncing ? I have paid my Stamp .
If i hadnt i would get any benefit .

How much of your 16 k have you got left ?

Mind your own business.
You are poncing.
You should be looking for work.
You are not in a position to be fussy.
I am.

Of course i am in a position to be fussy .

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:11 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:08 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:01 pm
Mind your own business.
You are poncing.
You should be looking for work.
You are not in a position to be fussy.
I am.

Of course i am in a position to be fussy .

Really?
Living on handouts?

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:03 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:18 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:06 pm

I am not arguing with you anymore as you are dragging me down to your level of stupidity.
You are also out of work, why aren’t you doing these jobs instead of poncing off the state?

Why should i devalue my worth & accept low pay ?

I am not dragging you down
Im bringing you upto a level that is too much for you

Who is Poncing ? I have paid my Stamp .
If i hadnt i would get any benefit .

How much of your 16 k have you got left ?

Your first line just proves the argument over cheap Labour from Eastern Europe.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:11 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:03 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:18 pm

Why should i devalue my worth & accept low pay ?

I am not dragging you down
Im bringing you upto a level that is too much for you

Who is Poncing ? I have paid my Stamp .
If i hadnt i would get any benefit .

How much of your 16 k have you got left ?

Your first line just proves the argument over cheap Labour from Eastern Europe.

No more likw Bosses pricing themselves out of jobs
A worker has a going rate , a boss can expose that .

A friend who runs a building firm charges a day rate & a half for every worker he employs , thats for him , as he doesnt work the tools .

Oiram should be able to tell you if Eastern Europeans are cheap labour , he employs some i think

o-no wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:17 pm

Still wrong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:03 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:18 pm

Why should i devalue my worth & accept low pay ?

I am not dragging you down
Im bringing you upto a level that is too much for you

Who is Poncing ? I have paid my Stamp .
If i hadnt i would get any benefit .

How much of your 16 k have you got left ?

Your first line just proves the argument over cheap Labour from Eastern Europe.

No it doesn't. One person's experience doesn't prove anything.

I'll say again, this has been thoroughly researched and it has been shown that the effect of cheap labour (from wherever) has a negligible effect on employment and terms and conditions except at the lowest levels.

The fact you keep ignoring this in favour of your own prejudices is telling. Complex issues don't have simple solutions. The value of labour has many components, you can't distill it down to a single factor, much as you would like to.