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Re: Ratings.

Post by Nad2008 »

Was Dennis named in squad today? Don't rate him in the slightest but one week he's starting, then we don't see him for weeks.

Not overly fussed, but whys he starting if he's obviously not rated enough for a spot on the bench?

Angol and Dennis got to go in January if we aren't going to use them in their correct positions. No idea what position Dennis plays.

Think Wright and JMD will be going too. Them 4 probably free up a fair bit of wage to strengthen.
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gshaw wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:18 pm Vigouroux - 7 - one absolutely vital stop, that's what good keepers do
Ling - 5 - responsible for 3 clear cut chances for Salford, still an absolute liability
Akinola - 8 - MOTM - the Ekpiteta replacement we've needed, amazing what happens playing the CB at CB
Happe - 7 - vital block and otherwise solid
Brophy - 7 - solid game
Angol - 6 - generous rating for his workrate, end product not up to much but kept going
McAnuff - 7 - what else can you say about his fitness levels, incredible
Clay - 7 - usual hard working performance
Cisse - 7 - like the Cissé of last season, put it about today
Wilkinson - 7 - a slightly generous rating but tricky
Johnson - 7 - goal out of nothing, great finishing

Subs
Sotiriou - 5 - a few naive touches when he could've ran the clock down towards the end

Salford's set pieces were fortunately for us awful and miss of the season in the first half. Thought their NL side was more dangerous strangely.
Dulcet Dave said in his interview with Danny Senda that he was very impressed with Sam Ling . I was wondering if he's watching the same Sam Ling as you and Poundy .
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Clay, Brophy and Akinola all 8s. Ling and Angol 4, the rest 7s.

How any of you can watch that game and think Ling had a decent game is baffling. It’s quite clear that Orient fans generally know nothing about football.
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:05 pm
gshaw wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:18 pm Vigouroux - 7 - one absolutely vital stop, that's what good keepers do
Ling - 5 - responsible for 3 clear cut chances for Salford, still an absolute liability
Akinola - 8 - MOTM - the Ekpiteta replacement we've needed, amazing what happens playing the CB at CB
Happe - 7 - vital block and otherwise solid
Brophy - 7 - solid game
Angol - 6 - generous rating for his workrate, end product not up to much but kept going
McAnuff - 7 - what else can you say about his fitness levels, incredible
Clay - 7 - usual hard working performance
Cisse - 7 - like the Cissé of last season, put it about today
Wilkinson - 7 - a slightly generous rating but tricky
Johnson - 7 - goal out of nothing, great finishing

Subs
Sotiriou - 5 - a few naive touches when he could've ran the clock down towards the end

Salford's set pieces were fortunately for us awful and miss of the season in the first half. Thought their NL side was more dangerous strangely.
Dulcet Dave said in his interview with Danny Senda that he was very impressed with Sam Ling . I was wondering if he's watching the same Sam Ling as you and Poundy .
Someone has been reading this forum and/or twitter and fed it back to Senda to mention how well he did then.
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gshaw wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:18 pm Vigouroux - 7 - one absolutely vital stop, that's what good keepers do
Ling - 5 - responsible for 3 clear cut chances for Salford, still an absolute liability
Akinola - 8 - MOTM - the Ekpiteta replacement we've needed, amazing what happens playing the CB at CB
Happe - 7 - vital block and otherwise solid
Brophy - 7 - solid game
Angol - 6 - generous rating for his workrate, end product not up to much but kept going
McAnuff - 7 - what else can you say about his fitness levels, incredible
Clay - 7 - usual hard working performance
Cisse - 7 - like the Cissé of last season, put it about today
Wilkinson - 7 - a slightly generous rating but tricky
Johnson - 7 - goal out of nothing, great finishing

Subs
Sotiriou - 5 - a few naive touches when he could've ran the clock down towards the end

Salford's set pieces were fortunately for us awful and miss of the season in the first half. Thought their NL side was more dangerous strangely.
Totally agree about !ing. Offers nothing going forward.Any good winger can skin him alive. He is a liability but still gets the nod from RE
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BiggsyMalone wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:08 pm Clay, Brophy and Akinola all 8s. Ling and Angol 4, the rest 7s.

How any of you can watch that game and think Ling had a decent game is baffling. It’s quite clear that Orient fans generally know nothing about football.
I didn't see the game , I'm only going by what Dulcet Dave said . IMO though we need to upgrade on Ling in the transfer window or Summer.
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Mistadobalina wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:19 pm We beat a better team having an off day. The midfield did their job well enough but were clearly not as talented as Salford's. Johnson is the difference between us and lower mid-table at the moment, another quality goal and consistently able to fashion chances out of almost nothing. Defence deserves credit today for standing up well to pressure, even if Salford missed an absolute sitter.

Angol was awful but he's not a winger and its baffling that Embleton continues to play him out there when we have other much better options on the bench. Something has obviously happened with JMD, which is a shame as he is a real talent.

With a high quality right back and central midfielder added in January, I think we could have a real tilt at the play-offs, but the constraints we're operating under surely make that unlikely.
Perfect summation.

Still say we need to stop leaving DJ so isolated, though.
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Who would take Dayton?

Wright as well - no doubt he’s happy to turn up and train for the rest of the season, collect his pay cheque then call it a day and get his brother to give him a job doing something inane.
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Same with Angol and Dennis, they’ve probably had their last chance at league football here.
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:05 pm
gshaw wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:18 pm Vigouroux - 7 - one absolutely vital stop, that's what good keepers do
Ling - 5 - responsible for 3 clear cut chances for Salford, still an absolute liability
Akinola - 8 - MOTM - the Ekpiteta replacement we've needed, amazing what happens playing the CB at CB
Happe - 7 - vital block and otherwise solid
Brophy - 7 - solid game
Angol - 6 - generous rating for his workrate, end product not up to much but kept going
McAnuff - 7 - what else can you say about his fitness levels, incredible
Clay - 7 - usual hard working performance
Cisse - 7 - like the Cissé of last season, put it about today
Wilkinson - 7 - a slightly generous rating but tricky
Johnson - 7 - goal out of nothing, great finishing

Subs
Sotiriou - 5 - a few naive touches when he could've ran the clock down towards the end

Salford's set pieces were fortunately for us awful and miss of the season in the first half. Thought their NL side was more dangerous strangely.
Dulcet Dave said in his interview with Danny Senda that he was very impressed with Sam Ling . I was wondering if he's watching the same Sam Ling as you and Poundy .
Agree with you Ling must be dropped and we get in somebody who can tackle, pass forward with purpose and cross a ball. Ling cannot provide any of those qualities.
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:13 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:08 pm Clay, Brophy and Akinola all 8s. Ling and Angol 4, the rest 7s.

How any of you can watch that game and think Ling had a decent game is baffling. It’s quite clear that Orient fans generally know nothing about football.
I didn't see the game , I'm only going by what Dulcet Dave said . IMO though we need to upgrade on Ling in the transfer window or Summer.
I've just heard it. He tees Senda up with "I'm sure you don't want to single out individuals but the last 2 games I've been very impressed with Sam Ling". Senda replies with 'he takes on information well' also that he had to 'feel his way in'. That's the same Sam Ling who started the first 6 games :roll: :roll: :roll:. Dave Victor either needs to get his eyes tested or someone has been on the phone to him to tee Danny Senda up.

Don't worry about how poorly he plays, he listens to instruction.
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Mistadobalina wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:19 pm We beat a better team having an off day. The midfield did their job well enough but were clearly not as talented as Salford's. Johnson is the difference between us and lower mid-table at the moment, another quality goal and consistently able to fashion chances out of almost nothing. Defence deserves credit today for standing up well to pressure, even if Salford missed an absolute sitter.

Angol was awful but he's not a winger and its baffling that Embleton continues to play him out there when we have other much better options on the bench. Something has obviously happened with JMD, which is a shame as he is a real talent.

With a high quality right back and central midfielder added in January, I think we could have a real tilt at the play-offs, but the constraints we're operating under surely make that unlikely.
Missed this. Absolutely spot on.
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:05 pm
gshaw wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:18 pm Vigouroux - 7 - one absolutely vital stop, that's what good keepers do
Ling - 5 - responsible for 3 clear cut chances for Salford, still an absolute liability
Akinola - 8 - MOTM - the Ekpiteta replacement we've needed, amazing what happens playing the CB at CB
Happe - 7 - vital block and otherwise solid
Brophy - 7 - solid game
Angol - 6 - generous rating for his workrate, end product not up to much but kept going
McAnuff - 7 - what else can you say about his fitness levels, incredible
Clay - 7 - usual hard working performance
Cisse - 7 - like the Cissé of last season, put it about today
Wilkinson - 7 - a slightly generous rating but tricky
Johnson - 7 - goal out of nothing, great finishing

Subs
Sotiriou - 5 - a few naive touches when he could've ran the clock down towards the end

Salford's set pieces were fortunately for us awful and miss of the season in the first half. Thought their NL side was more dangerous strangely.
Dulcet Dave said in his interview with Danny Senda that he was very impressed with Sam Ling . I was wondering if he's watching the same Sam Ling as you and Poundy .
DD bigs up Sam Ling at every opportunity. We’ve moved on from the Brave header by Sam ling to Solid header by Sam Ling, counted 5 of those today. It’s what DD does. Bigs him up all the time, just accept it. Let’s face it, according to DD Vigeroux was playing left wing in the second half and I think we put the ball in the Exeter box once. But I do enjoy his moments.

Today I think Ling did OK. Others disagree. But what he is, is very limited. But recently he is trying a lot harder to make an impact. New contract to be announced anytime soon is my guess, despite not being League 2 quality. It the way it is.
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His phrase is ‘firm header by Ling’, not ‘solid header’. Yeah, he loves that one.
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:05 pm Dulcet Dave said in his interview with Danny Senda that he was very impressed with Sam Ling . I was wondering if he's watching the same Sam Ling as you and Poundy .
Course he did, all part of the club PR briefing that seems to kicked in from last game. The pundits have to stick to the party line now "Angol had a good game Tuesday" and big up Ling at any opportunity to try and build a reason for his inevitable (and undeserved) contract extension
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PoliticOs wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:32 pm You'd have to think, sadly, JMD is the more likely to go out of himself, Angol or Dennis.

I imagine Wright is definitely gone, but I can see just 2 in and 2 out. With maybe a youngster last minute for the third.
The lack of games and chances that both JMD and Sotiriou are being given, then would not surprise me at all if offers come in, then along with others, both of these young players may be on their way in January.
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I think Sotiriou's is specifically to do with how well Johnson has done. I'd imagine him doing THIS well wasn't accounted for, so was thought maybe Ruel would end up in the middle, or maybe even together. But I think everyone gets a go out wide in our team. Half expect to see Happe there.
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Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:35 pm His phrase is ‘firm header by Ling’, not ‘solid header’. Yeah, he loves that one.
Of course. Firm. 👍
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PoliticOs wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:50 pm I think Sotiriou's is specifically to do with how well Johnson has done. I'd imagine him doing THIS well wasn't accounted for, so was thought maybe Ruel would end up in the middle, or maybe even together. But I think everyone gets a go out wide in our team. Half expect to see Happe there.
That would make sense if Sotiriou hadn't already made an impact playing on the left last season. It's Angol starting ahead of him that's rather befuddling.
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Sid Bishop wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:46 pm
PoliticOs wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:32 pm You'd have to think, sadly, JMD is the more likely to go out of himself, Angol or Dennis.

I imagine Wright is definitely gone, but I can see just 2 in and 2 out. With maybe a youngster last minute for the third.
The lack of games and chances that both JMD and Sotiriou are being given, then would not surprise me at all if offers come in, then along with others, both of these young players may be on their way in January.
What has being "young" got to do with it? Weren't you getting hot under the collar recently when references to old/older people were made?

And just because players are not in the team that doesn't mean we should necessarily expect offers for them. That said, I can see the club being motivated to move out some fringe players/some of those they do not see staying beyond next season and JMD may qualify as one of those.
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gshaw wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:52 pm
PoliticOs wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:50 pm I think Sotiriou's is specifically to do with how well Johnson has done. I'd imagine him doing THIS well wasn't accounted for, so was thought maybe Ruel would end up in the middle, or maybe even together. But I think everyone gets a go out wide in our team. Half expect to see Happe there.
That would make sense if Sotiriou hadn't already made an impact playing on the left last season. It's Angol starting ahead of him that's rather befuddling.
It’s the same old. An average young player (with the potential to be a very good player in time) will be overlooked for an average older player (with no potential to improve) for reasons of reliability/experience etc.

See Judd/Shadrach/Happe/Marvin/Hector/Koroma in recent seasons (never mind the batch beforhat).
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Even more baffling considering the absolute cuffuffle in the summer to sign Ruel up. Baring in mind we all thought he was gone and he was holding out on us, I assume we have him a decent wage to stay. Big things expected and he clearly hasn’t delivered. Saying that, I do not get why he’s not getting a run of games assuming he is fit.
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He has missed a fair chunk through injury, don’t forget.
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Apple Wumble wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:19 am Even more baffling considering the absolute cuffuffle in the summer to sign Ruel up. Baring in mind we all thought he was gone and he was holding out on us, I assume we have him a decent wage to stay. Big things expected and he clearly hasn’t delivered. Saying that, I do not get why he’s not getting a run of games assuming he is fit.
Should be on the left of the three up front if Embleton is insistent on playing Brophy at left back. Surely someone is taking note of Angol’s stats from the past few appearances?
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Amazed to see everyone piling in on Angol yet again, he's not a winger he's a striker.
By all means slate Ling, literally every $alford chance came right by him, but I actually think Angol is doing a half decent job being played well out of position. He tracks back well, frustrates the opposition and can spray it around a bit.
Yeah he doesn't score enough (again, out of position), and takes too many touches but I think it's clear there's a very good L2 forward in there somewhere.
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