Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:48 am While there are people and /or players who shouldn’t be employed by Orient , to level the blame at Nigel Travis is ridiculous.
The guy along with KT saved our club and while certain things aren’t perfect we’re a mid table League 2 club doing its best to survive in what’s been a turbulent year for the whole world, let alone Football.

We have no divine right to be top of the league or beat any opposition put in front of us........some of our fans should go and support Liverpool if they want perfection or close to it.
I suspect that all is not perfect at all League 2 clubs as it is at our esteemed club, but I would rather have our owners than many others you hear about.

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:31 am The Leyton Orient hierarchy and the State of Israel, this geezer, COYOS, has serious anger management issues.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:36 am

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:31 am The Leyton Orient hierarchy and the State of Israel, this geezer, COYOS, has serious anger management issues.

Yeah, I've said this before about his need for anger management therapy as I really fear for the sanity and health of whoever he lives with. But at least better for him to be lashing out on here instead of lashing out at his partner in real life.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:05 am When i wrote the original post, I knew Id get roasted on here, but i still wrote it because it needed saying...the conversation on this , is needed.
In fact Im surprised a few of you part agree with me.
When Harry S Truman was US President, he used to have a sign on his desk, that read " The buck Stops Here"...in other words when things are not right, its the fault of those at the very top.
Nigel has put too much trust in people who are not as good as he thinks they are....the bloke makes mistakes, he's human, and im certain hes made and is still making mistakes now.
As someone ( me) who has over 53 years following the club, has spent tens of thousands of pounds on tickets, on trains fares, on coach fares on petrol, on food, accommodation etc etc, I have every right to voice an opinion. If you dont like my opinion, thats fine, but theres no need for personal attacks on me, thats out of order.
I was right in some of my premises . i thought most of you have no ambition and just like Orient to be a mediocre fourth rate club, and I was right on that...most of you do.
I'll repeat, this conversation needed to happen, it isnt pleasant, but its needed.
Nigel saved the club ...no doubt, ..... the club was days away from being finished, but many things that have been put in place since, are poor IMO

O Superman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:22 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:05 am When i wrote the original post, I knew Id get roasted on here, but i still wrote it because it needed saying...the conversation on this , is needed.
In fact Im surprised a few of you part agree with me.
When Harry S Truman was US President, he used to have a sign on his desk, that read " The buck Stops Here"...in other words when things are not right, its the fault of those at the very top.
Nigel has put too much trust in people who are not as good as he thinks they are....the bloke makes mistakes, he's human, and im certain hes made and is still making mistakes now.
As someone ( me) who has over 53 years following the club, has spent tens of thousands of pounds on tickets, on trains fares, on coach fares on petrol, on food, accommodation etc etc, I have every right to voice an opinion. If you dont like my opinion, thats fine, but theres no need for personal attacks on me, thats out of order.
I was right in some of my premises . i thought most of you have no ambition and just like Orient to be a mediocre fourth rate club, and I was right on that...most of you do.
I'll repeat, this conversation needed to happen, it isnt pleasant, but its needed.
Nigel saved the club ...no doubt, ..... the club was days away from being finished, but many things that have been put in place since, are poor IMO

Sorry, it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that just because people don't agree with you, that they 'lack ambition' for Leyton Orient. Some of us would just be happy for us to achieve success in a steady progression rather than instantly as you seem to want. I'm sure we all remember what happened last time some moron tried to buy instant success for Leyton Orient!

Nigel and Kent have said many times that there is a plan and we are ahead of the curve at this point. Ling and Embleton may or may not be the people to keep us on track but I for one am happy to trust the owners to make the decisions.

I would certainly like us to be back in the Championshiop...and hopefully in a way that is more competitive than the last time we were there. I say again, if we were to get there and have a similar run or 12 largely bottom half finishes, you and the other more pessimistic people on here would be calling for people's heads instead of celebrating it as some sort of success.

So here's a question for you....if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners - what is your plan for getting us back into the Championship within an acceptable timeframe (for you)?

O Superman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:22 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:05 am When i wrote the original post, I knew Id get roasted on here, but i still wrote it because it needed saying...the conversation on this , is needed.
In fact Im surprised a few of you part agree with me.
When Harry S Truman was US President, he used to have a sign on his desk, that read " The buck Stops Here"...in other words when things are not right, its the fault of those at the very top.
Nigel has put too much trust in people who are not as good as he thinks they are....the bloke makes mistakes, he's human, and im certain hes made and is still making mistakes now.
As someone ( me) who has over 53 years following the club, has spent tens of thousands of pounds on tickets, on trains fares, on coach fares on petrol, on food, accommodation etc etc, I have every right to voice an opinion. If you dont like my opinion, thats fine, but theres no need for personal attacks on me, thats out of order.
I was right in some of my premises . i thought most of you have no ambition and just like Orient to be a mediocre fourth rate club, and I was right on that...most of you do.
I'll repeat, this conversation needed to happen, it isnt pleasant, but its needed.
Nigel saved the club ...no doubt, ..... the club was days away from being finished, but many things that have been put in place since, are poor IMO

Sorry, it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that just because people don't agree with you, that they 'lack ambition' for Leyton Orient. Some of us would just be happy for us to achieve success in a steady progression rather than instantly as you seem to want. I'm sure we all remember what happened last time some moron tried to buy instant success for Leyton Orient!

Nigel and Kent have said many times that there is a plan and we are ahead of the curve at this point. Ling and Embleton may or may not be the people to keep us on track but I for one am happy to trust the owners to make the decisions.

I would certainly like us to be back in the Championshiop...and hopefully in a way that is more competitive than the last time we were there. I say again, if we were to get there and have a similar run or 12 largely bottom half finishes, you and the other more pessimistic people on here would be calling for people's heads instead of celebrating it as some sort of success.

So here's a question for you....if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners - what is your plan for getting us back into the Championship within an acceptable timeframe (for you)?

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:37 am

O Superman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:22 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:05 am When i wrote the original post, I knew Id get roasted on here, but i still wrote it because it needed saying...the conversation on this , is needed.
In fact Im surprised a few of you part agree with me.
When Harry S Truman was US President, he used to have a sign on his desk, that read " The buck Stops Here"...in other words when things are not right, its the fault of those at the very top.
Nigel has put too much trust in people who are not as good as he thinks they are....the bloke makes mistakes, he's human, and im certain hes made and is still making mistakes now.
As someone ( me) who has over 53 years following the club, has spent tens of thousands of pounds on tickets, on trains fares, on coach fares on petrol, on food, accommodation etc etc, I have every right to voice an opinion. If you dont like my opinion, thats fine, but theres no need for personal attacks on me, thats out of order.
I was right in some of my premises . i thought most of you have no ambition and just like Orient to be a mediocre fourth rate club, and I was right on that...most of you do.
I'll repeat, this conversation needed to happen, it isnt pleasant, but its needed.
Nigel saved the club ...no doubt, ..... the club was days away from being finished, but many things that have been put in place since, are poor IMO

Sorry, it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that just because people don't agree with you, that they 'lack ambition' for Leyton Orient. Some of us would just be happy for us to achieve success in a steady progression rather than instantly as you seem to want. I'm sure we all remember what happened last time some moron tried to buy instant success for Leyton Orient!

Nigel and Kent have said many times that there is a plan and we are ahead of the curve at this point. Ling and Embleton may or may not be the people to keep us on track but I for one am happy to trust the owners to make the decisions.

I would certainly like us to be back in the Championshiop...and hopefully in a way that is more competitive than the last time we were there. I say again, if we were to get there and have a similar run or 12 largely bottom half finishes, you and the other more pessimistic people on here would be calling for people's heads instead of celebrating it as some sort of success.

So here's a question for you....if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners - what is your plan for getting us back into the Championship within an acceptable timeframe (for you)?

I havent said anywhere, that, to quote you......if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners..unquote.
Martin Ling MUST go, and Embleton too. The old boys network must go too, and the so called Orient way.
The club at this point now, does NOT need a DOF. Danny can run the club day to day very well, and a new football manager can run the football side

WGC O wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:46 am Wow... what an opening post...If I were Nigel or Kent reading that I would be looking to sell tomorrow...As you say everyone is entitled to an opinion ...but to say the Nigel Travis is "the problem" is, in my opinion, insensitive, inconsiderate , thoughtless and , if I may say so , damn right rude.
In truth I'm not sure what "the problem" actually is. There is a long term plan in place - the club is ahead of that plan. It won't be a smooth ride - mistakes have been/will be made, they won't get promoted every season or even every other season. Its about time some people got real.

WGC O wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:46 am Wow... what an opening post...If I were Nigel or Kent reading that I would be looking to sell tomorrow...As you say everyone is entitled to an opinion ...but to say the Nigel Travis is "the problem" is, in my opinion, insensitive, inconsiderate , thoughtless and , if I may say so , damn right rude.
In truth I'm not sure what "the problem" actually is. There is a long term plan in place - the club is ahead of that plan. It won't be a smooth ride - mistakes have been/will be made, they won't get promoted every season or even every other season. Its about time some people got real.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:37 am

O Superman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:22 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:05 am When i wrote the original post, I knew Id get roasted on here, but i still wrote it because it needed saying...the conversation on this , is needed.
In fact Im surprised a few of you part agree with me.
When Harry S Truman was US President, he used to have a sign on his desk, that read " The buck Stops Here"...in other words when things are not right, its the fault of those at the very top.
Nigel has put too much trust in people who are not as good as he thinks they are....the bloke makes mistakes, he's human, and im certain hes made and is still making mistakes now.
As someone ( me) who has over 53 years following the club, has spent tens of thousands of pounds on tickets, on trains fares, on coach fares on petrol, on food, accommodation etc etc, I have every right to voice an opinion. If you dont like my opinion, thats fine, but theres no need for personal attacks on me, thats out of order.
I was right in some of my premises . i thought most of you have no ambition and just like Orient to be a mediocre fourth rate club, and I was right on that...most of you do.
I'll repeat, this conversation needed to happen, it isnt pleasant, but its needed.
Nigel saved the club ...no doubt, ..... the club was days away from being finished, but many things that have been put in place since, are poor IMO

Sorry, it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that just because people don't agree with you, that they 'lack ambition' for Leyton Orient. Some of us would just be happy for us to achieve success in a steady progression rather than instantly as you seem to want. I'm sure we all remember what happened last time some moron tried to buy instant success for Leyton Orient!

Nigel and Kent have said many times that there is a plan and we are ahead of the curve at this point. Ling and Embleton may or may not be the people to keep us on track but I for one am happy to trust the owners to make the decisions.

I would certainly like us to be back in the Championshiop...and hopefully in a way that is more competitive than the last time we were there. I say again, if we were to get there and have a similar run or 12 largely bottom half finishes, you and the other more pessimistic people on here would be calling for people's heads instead of celebrating it as some sort of success.

So here's a question for you....if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners - what is your plan for getting us back into the Championship within an acceptable timeframe (for you)?

I havent said anywhere, that, to quote you......if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners..unquote.
Martin Ling MUST go, and Embleton too. The old boys network must go too, and the so called Orient way.
The club at this point now, does NOT need a DOF. Danny can run the club day to day very well, and a new football manager can run the football side

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:06 am It's a very fine line this one as there's no doubt T&T are the reason we still have an Orient and in the current climate especially even more so. Along with Danny Macklin I don't think you'll get a better team running the business side.

That said there is a bit of a wake-up call to be had as the footballing side does give that impression of being all a bit too cosy from the DoF through to Embleton and the coaching setup. It's just all a bit too "nice" rather than being focused on success first. We'll see definitively when player contracts end as they surely can't keep the rest of the ageing NL squad players around as coaches again.

Personally never expected anything more than mid-table mediocrity this season so as long as we stop the rot and pick up enough points to not look at the relegation battle the big opportunity is in the squad rebuild from January onwards. That's when we'll see which direction the club is aiming at.