Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Orient Punxx wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:12 am Should have titled the thread “Ling”.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:45 pm I think Ling has improved massively in his last two games. His effort is noticeably better as his taking responsibility. Widdowson despite all his critics has never been a shirker. Ling was. But that has changed recently, don’t know why, don’t care why. Just happy it has.

I noticed his absence for their goal. The extended highlights does show him lacking effort to get back. But on this occasion I’m happy to give him the doubt, following team orders, rather than being lazy. Solely based on his general effort in the game.

If he continues then I’m all for giving preference to contracted players over loan players. But it needs to continue, the Ling of old was a liability. Ling of late is adding to the team. Something has put a rocket up his arse. Hope it lasts.

SouthStandPete wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:25 pm

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:53 pm I don't wish to be a Ling hater but I draw your attention to the build up of Newport's goal. As the ball is played up their left wing everybody is
sprinting back, either to carry the attack on or defend it, take a look at Ling, he is just ambling along like he's on a Sunday morning jog.
First priority signing must be a decent right back who can defend, run a bit faster and has more interest in the game.

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:53 pm I don't wish to be a Ling hater but I draw your attention to the build up of Newport's goal. As the ball is played up their left wing everybody is
sprinting back, either to carry the attack on or defend it, take a look at Ling, he is just ambling along like he's on a Sunday morning jog.
First priority signing must be a decent right back who can defend, run a bit faster and has more interest in the game.

Then you'd be wrong. Ling was in attack and was left stranded by a long clearance. That happens to all full-backs - unless you don't want them to support attacks at all.

Milano wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:05 am

Then you'd be wrong. Ling was in attack and was left stranded by a long clearance. That happens to all full-backs - unless you don't want them to support attacks at all.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:26 am

Milano wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:05 am

Then you'd be wrong. Ling was in attack and was left stranded by a long clearance. That happens to all full-backs - unless you don't want them to support attacks at all.

Nope, you're wrong. Watch the extended highlights back.

Ling took a poo poo throw in and gave the ball straight back to them. At that point in time, he was level with both Cisse and 47 year old Jobi. The ball goes over his head but because his man is up the field double marking Wilko, he doesn't see the need to try and get back to help out. As far as he's concerned, it's not his job.

Compare and contrast to both Cisse and Jobi who do at least try to get back in, albeit unsuccessfully.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:57 am But Ling doesn't have to run diagonally back to the penalty spot like a 10 year old chasing the ball.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:03 am It's because I have played football that I think I understand Lings mindset. I can remember making jumps up in standard (youth to mens, reserve to first team) and you have that period of bedding in. The same when you're having a stinker and nothing is going right. You just make sure you do the simple things, don't go looking for the ball when your team have it and just ensure you don't let your man beat you when they have it. Effectively making the game 10 v 10. Then as you become comfortable at that level, or your touch and confidence returns, you become more involved.

You can' make a career with that damage limitation approach.

Harlow wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:28 am This is seriously p*ssing me off. When Newport scored there were 4 players near the scorer, not one of them tried to close him down as he shot. Orient are on a decent run, Since Ling has been back he has scored a couple of goals (one given to Wilkinson), we have lost twice, one of those to an inform League 1 team (beat Plymouth 3-0 on Saturday). It is a team game, we are a team, all players get it wrong sometimes but the attention on Ling is nonsense. Does anyone know the instructions Sam is playing to? Boss seems to know what he is doing.

Let's stop undermining him, get behind the team, of course we will have moans and groans (after we beat Bradford I asked if we were awful), that is part of it but not this wholesale slagging off of one player. We are in our best position for years, lets go for it!!!

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:09 am
From where ling starts he has no chance of affecting the result .

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:24 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:09 am
From where ling starts he has no chance of affecting the result .

This sums it up. That's not the attitude of a winner.

He has no idea how the action will pan out, where the ball will drop, what will happen next. You break a neck to get back in and help out your fellow defenders. Especially when it's you that's f**ked up and given the ball away with a stupid throw in the first place.

Harlow wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:28 am This is seriously p*ssing me off. When Newport scored there were 4 players near the scorer, not one of them tried to close him down as he shot. Orient are on a decent run, Since Ling has been back he has scored a couple of goals (one given to Wilkinson), we have lost twice, one of those to an inform League 1 team (beat Plymouth 3-0 on Saturday). It is a team game, we are a team, all players get it wrong sometimes but the attention on Ling is nonsense. Does anyone know the instructions Sam is playing to? Boss seems to know what he is doing.

Let's stop undermining him, get behind the team, of course we will have moans and groans (after we beat Bradford I asked if we were awful), that is part of it but not this wholesale slagging off of one player. We are in our best position for years, lets go for it!!!

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:21 pm

Harlow wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:28 am This is seriously p*ssing me off. When Newport scored there were 4 players near the scorer, not one of them tried to close him down as he shot. Orient are on a decent run, Since Ling has been back he has scored a couple of goals (one given to Wilkinson), we have lost twice, one of those to an inform League 1 team (beat Plymouth 3-0 on Saturday). It is a team game, we are a team, all players get it wrong sometimes but the attention on Ling is nonsense. Does anyone know the instructions Sam is playing to? Boss seems to know what he is doing.

Let's stop undermining him, get behind the team, of course we will have moans and groans (after we beat Bradford I asked if we were awful), that is part of it but not this wholesale slagging off of one player. We are in our best position for years, lets go for it!!!

A fair observation. Which is why on this occasion he deserves the benefit of any doubt surrounding their goal. I think his effort has improved but he is slow, that can’t change, he was plodding back when they scored. Compare his approach to that of Jobi busting a gut to get back. But it was a poor goal to give away and no only due to Ling, if he can be blamed at all. enough players there to make a challenge, none did.

A few games back he touched the ball 12 times in the game, excluding throws, Coulson never passed him the ball, he was a passenger with any forward play from us was either a hoof or down the left. That has definitely changed for the better, I don’t think anybody can dispute that. For example Saturday he put in two challenges in the first 70 seconds. Let’s acknowledge the effort he is making.

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:31 pm Dohnut, I know you like a little stat/report, do you know the average amount of touches a player makes in a game? Without looking it up, what would you guess at?

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:35 pm

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:31 pm Dohnut, I know you like a little stat/report, do you know the average amount of touches a player makes in a game? Without looking it up, what would you guess at?

Depends on the position. The way teams play out from the back these days, players in the back 4 will hit 3 figures no problem.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:57 pm You do realise that I'm sad enough to film the next stream then watch it back and count up how many touches each player has, don't you?