Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Sailor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:17 pm Dont like the Black Power fist salute.

Don’t worry , it won’t end up necessarily up your jacksy

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:49 pm https://www.leytonorient.com/2020/12/07 ... ZrH7vPSRWg

To be honest,I’d prefer if they said they fully endorsed the BLM movement but this will suffice.

Well done the club

Website has gone down and not on one knee.

Are you going to boo those that do?

Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:47 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:37 pm Imagine being frightened by 20 blokes bending down onto one knee for 3 seconds. How much of a snowflake must one be.

I am offended, insulted, disgusted, annoyed, disappointed not frightened.

I am against racism and will wear a badge , scarf or hat saying so but don’t thrust this political rubbish in my face. What next? They going to ban people who ‘boo in silence?’ The ‘thought Police’ coming?

Instead of using your energy to
Pin a badge on , wrap a scarf around you or write
A bunch of words on the iinternet ,
Just show support to players like Jobi, Ousse, Joe. W &
All the others in our squad , remember legends like
Laurie & chidders.& do the easiest thing .

Keep the mouth closed & make no noise.

No energy is wasted no noises are made .

PutneyO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:59 pm I think it’s very important to point out that not go along with the taking of the knee does not make you racist.

I am not a religious fanatic, however, there is only one thing that I will ever bow or kneel down to and that is God Almighty

So fellow board members, does that make me a racist/fascist??

God would kneel in front of you to show all men are created Equal .
He goes out of his way to make the lost sheep one of his group again.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:13 am

Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:47 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:37 pm Imagine being frightened by 20 blokes bending down onto one knee for 3 seconds. How much of a snowflake must one be.

I am offended, insulted, disgusted, annoyed, disappointed not frightened.

I am against racism and will wear a badge , scarf or hat saying so but don’t thrust this political rubbish in my face. What next? They going to ban people who ‘boo in silence?’ The ‘thought Police’ coming?

Instead of using your energy to
Pin a badge on , wrap a scarf around you or write
A bunch of words on the iinternet ,
Just show support to players like Jobi, Ousse, Joe. W &
All the others in our squad , remember legends like
Laurie & chidders.& do the easiest thing .

Keep the mouth closed & make no noise.

No energy is wasted no noises are made .

Yes agree, that is another option but I think in 80’s ‘Rock Against Racism’ badges were good badges to have and message got across. Think they may still be in use. If they were sold now in a similar fashion in club shop they would be a good thing.

Oiram wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:51 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:13 am

Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:47 pm

I am offended, insulted, disgusted, annoyed, disappointed not frightened.

I am against racism and will wear a badge , scarf or hat saying so but don’t thrust this political rubbish in my face. What next? They going to ban people who ‘boo in silence?’ The ‘thought Police’ coming?

Instead of using your energy to
Pin a badge on , wrap a scarf around you or write
A bunch of words on the iinternet ,
Just show support to players like Jobi, Ousse, Joe. W &
All the others in our squad , remember legends like
Laurie & chidders.& do the easiest thing .

Keep the mouth closed & make no noise.

No energy is wasted no noises are made .

Yes agree, that is another option but I think in 80’s ‘Rock Against Racism’ badges were good badges to have and message got across. Think they may still be in use. If they were sold now in a similar fashion in club shop they would be a good thing.

The 80s are a long way from the 20s
In the 80s the ANL were not classed as a politcal movement
In the sense that " antifa" has been smeared as .

Decent Human beings have no qualms with a meaningful
Protest gesture , those who oppose the knee
May as well go back to 60s america

We are already far removed from those days. Good footage. Saw a documentary on ‘Sixties’ USA recently. Was very interesting and lessons can be learned and should be.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:48 pm Are you going to boo those that do?

No, just baah at them

Millwall will not take the knee in their next match. Instead they will link arms in a show of solidarity

A key point that strikes me in these debates is that some people seem to be unable to appreciate that it is perfectly possible to not support taking the knee without being a racialist.

I would not take the knee and I wish politics would be kept out of sport, but anyone who knows me would know that I am no racialist, I am against all forms of discrimination.

In life the more that people feel coerced/ bullied into supporting something they don’t agree with, and the race card often being played wrongly when debate fails just adds to that feeling, the more people will kick back when they get the opportunity. And so it proves as soon as fans are allowed back in stadia a backlash has occurred, and it’s not just happened at Millwall. And it was entirely predictable.

You can’t bully people into all thinking the same. And back to the subject headline, if you want to kneel it's your choice, as is mine not to.

Oiram wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:44 am We are already far removed from those days.

Really ?




The last one is the U.K b4 anyone says
Yeah but thats america

That clip in the UK is 9 years old Tuffer.
If any allegations were proven and the conversation did occur, I’m sure that the officer(s) charged would have been dismissed long ago and rightly so.

Oiram wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:40 am Am sure if there has been any wrongdoing it will be fully investigated and should any officer be found to have been acting criminally or contrary to their Disciplinary Code, it will be dealt with through the Courts or their own internal procedures. All the Police Disciplinary action pending is available on line. It is unfair to judge by clips that can easily be edited and may only show selected parts of an incident.

You think ?

SMH

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:51 am

Oiram wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:40 am Am sure if there has been any wrongdoing it will be fully investigated and should any officer be found to have been acting criminally or contrary to their Disciplinary Code, it will be dealt with through the Courts or their own internal procedures. All the Police Disciplinary action pending is available on line. It is unfair to judge by clips that can easily be edited and may only show selected parts of an incident.

You think ?

SMH

It is a nine year old incident remember.

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:19 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:48 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:37 pm Imagine being frightened by 20 blokes bending down onto one knee for 3 seconds. How much of a snowflake must one be.

How much of a sheeple must one be?

Corrected it for you fella.

Hey, we can’t all be woke and educated like you lot here and the Millwall fans on Saturday.

Right, so those who don’t agree with you are on the level of Millwall supporters.

Brilliant.

Oiram wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:55 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:51 am

Oiram wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:40 am Am sure if there has been any wrongdoing it will be fully investigated and should any officer be found to have been acting criminally or contrary to their Disciplinary Code, it will be dealt with through the Courts or their own internal procedures. All the Police Disciplinary action pending is available on line. It is unfair to judge by clips that can easily be edited and may only show selected parts of an incident.

You think ?

SMH

It is a nine year old incident remember.

For most black people its a weekly occurence for someone they are related to .

Still let the millwall idiots boo & blame it on left wing marxism

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:05 am

Oiram wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:55 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:51 am

You think ?

SMH

It is a nine year old incident remember.

For most black people its a weekly occurence for someone they are realted to .

Still let the millwall idiots boo & blame it on left wing marxism

Eh?

This topic is getting more and more bizarre.

Theres really no point in trying to have a sensible debate with Tuffers.

Who else wishes the “I’ll stop going to watch the club if they continue to support taking a knee” mob would do just that?

It’s clearly a threat which comes from the misconception that they are the “silent majority” and the club would end up with no fans and eventually go out of business without the brave racists...sorry I meant “anti-marxists”.

Truth is, if all of the racists...sorry “anti-marxists” did vote with their feet the damage to attendances would be negligible and you’d probably end up seeing an increase as the nasty racist...sorry “anti-Marxist” element of football would be significantly decreased thus making the game more welcoming and boosting its reputation.

So please, if you’re a racist...sorry “anti-Marxist”, please do us all a favour and f*ck off.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:07 am Theres really no point in trying to have a sensible debate with Tuffers.

Yup it gets tiresome speaking to the non genius types on this board

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:07 am Theres really no point in trying to have a sensible debate with Tuffers.

I should know that, but it is hard not to sometimes.

Huxley wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:07 am Who else wishes the “I’ll stop going to watch the club if they continue to support taking a knee” mob would do just that?

It’s clearly a threat which comes from the misconception that they are the “silent majority” and the club would end up with no fans and eventually go out of business without the brave racists...sorry I meant “anti-marxists”.

Truth is, if all of the racists...sorry “anti-marxists” did vote with their feet the damage to attendances would be negligible and you’d probably end up seeing an increase as the nasty racist...sorry “anti-Marxist” element of football would be significantly decreased thus making the game more welcoming and boosting its reputation.

So please, if you’re a racist...sorry “anti-Marxist”, please do us all a favour and f*ck off.

Our lot havent got the Gonads to go & boo Orient players for taking the knee.
At least the Milwall mob let you know exactly what they are.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:05 am

Oiram wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:55 am


It is a nine year old incident remember.

For most black people its a weekly occurence for someone they are realted to .

Still let the millwall idiots boo & blame it on left wing marxism

Whoops & again .deleted
Still it cant have been of importance.