ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:14 pm
Blair lies to us to sanction mass murder.
That takes some beating
A good point.
Although Johnson is largely hopeless and incompetent, he's had to deal with something none of the others have, (a global pandemic) and I don't think he's malicious, just out of his depth on every level.
Blair on the other hand, is a murderer: plain and simple. For that reason, I see him as the worst PM ever.
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:28 am
I don't think theres ever been anyone less qualified or capable than Boris. Purely a case of who you know and having good strategists. I didnt think it could get worse than May but I think she was at least trying to do the right thing most of the time (for a Tory anyway) and was just hopeless. Boris is hopeless and doesn't give a sh*t if he breaks the law, is ethically bankrupt or ruins this country, he's purely in it for his ego.
If Labour had had a more centrist leader and one that said we're going to get brexit done cos it was the will of the people.
Then you wouldn't have the class buffoon running the country. Anyone from London could see that from when he was Mayor.
I can't stand Boris but voted Tory ( Won't be next time) to finally resolve brexit.
I live in a Tory seat with a small majority 1,200 and wouldn't be surprised if they got ousted for the first time in 40 years at the next Election.
As far as I can remember, the last Labour leader was saying exactly that (we're going to get Brexit done cos it was the will of the people), and the Centrist part of the party (led by the one who's currently leader) kicked up and crow barred in the 2nd referendum into the manifesto. Unless I'm misremembering.
UpminsterO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:35 am
Blair - weapons on mass destruction and pretending he was a socialist
Not sure Blair pretended to be a socialist.....he did everything he could to purge the left, such as the removal of clause 4.
We all knew he was a free market supporter, from early on in his premiership
JimbO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:28 am If Labour had had a more centrist leader and one that said we're going to get brexit done cos it was the will of the people.
As far as I can remember, the last Labour leader was saying exactly that (we're going to get Brexit done cos it was the will of the people), and the Centrist part of the party (led by the one who's currently leader) kicked up and crow barred in the 2nd referendum into the manifesto. Unless I'm misremembering.
You're not. While not party leader, SurKier was able to court the labour membership, which was significantly pro-remain. But since becoming party leader he's now having to court the wider electorate. It comes back to that disconnect.
This will require some revision of historic events, of course, but it's all for the greater good. Now get on board or you'll be next up against the wall.
Impossible to pick the worst but Blair was, by far, the biggest disappointment. You should, however, always remember that 'the public gets what the public wants'
JimbO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:28 am If Labour had had a more centrist leader and one that said we're going to get brexit done cos it was the will of the people.
As far as I can remember, the last Labour leader was saying exactly that (we're going to get Brexit done cos it was the will of the people), and the Centrist part of the party (led by the one who's currently leader) kicked up and crow barred in the 2nd referendum into the manifesto. Unless I'm misremembering.
You're not. While not party leader, SurKier was able to court the labour membership, which was significantly pro-remain. But since becoming party leader he's now having to court the wider electorate. It comes back to that disconnect.
This will require some revision of historic events, of course, but it's all for the greater good. Now get on board or you'll be next up against the wall.
A rather crucial difference between then and now being that we have now left the EU. Starmer can do absolutely nothing about that and so might as well stand back and watch the Brexit fantasists try to sort out the mess of their own creation.
JimbO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:28 am If Labour had had a more centrist leader and one that said we're going to get brexit done cos it was the will of the people.
As far as I can remember, the last Labour leader was saying exactly that (we're going to get Brexit done cos it was the will of the people), and the Centrist part of the party (led by the one who's currently leader) kicked up and crow barred in the 2nd referendum into the manifesto. Unless I'm misremembering.
You're not. While not party leader, SurKier was able to court the labour membership, which was significantly pro-remain. But since becoming party leader he's now having to court the wider electorate. It comes back to that disconnect.
This will require some revision of historic events, of course, but it's all for the greater good. Now get on board or you'll be next up against the wall.
I think youll find the Labour traitor was in fact Benn Jnr .
He co-erced the.labour vote to follow a brex-sh*t referendum .
Without his speech, it would never olhave got through .
The story anti brexiters would have backed a labour NO.
I’m gonna have to listen in full to The David dimblebey podcast as he discusses the events of the Iraq war, Blair and bush. An excerpt I’ve listened to David says that Blair had this belief that if the country didn’t practice democracy then change should be forced upon them and that we must do whatever it takes to do that. If that’s true well the man is well and truly round the bend.