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Agree ''Which is why I prefer Juddy. Class he ain’t, hothead he is, but a tryer he most certainly is''Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:04 pm “No mans land Ling” is a Great description. Personally I didn’t think he was that good When he replaced Caprice. It was more that with so many not rating Caprice some saw it a relief to get a change, any change. Personally Ling was nowhere as good as Caprice, who was lambasted for not getting back quick enough. Ironic. Ling don’t get anywhere Quick enough.
I don’t know if Ling is good or bad. He just doesn’t get involved. He is certainly avoided by other players, The Jobi moment a case in point yesterday. But is so obvious. We always look to build from the left. Brophy is always involved, Ling just plods around. And look at our goal celebrations, Ling looks like a spare part, even when he scored.
There is something wrong going on. Ling admitting he spoke to dad regarding Fletcher isn’t going to help.
What I would love to see is Ling getting stuck in, getting involved, having a go. If he makes mistakes so be it, who don’t in L2. But sometimes I just want to say, for goodness sake get stuck in. There may be a decent player in there somewhere. We do get the odd very rare glimpse of that.
Which is why I prefer Juddy. Class he ain’t, hothead he is, but a tryer he most certainly is.
Think you made a ''Typo'' there e.g ''For a left back not to try and cut the cross out '' The cross you speak of came from their left winger and Ling is the right back, not left back !Beradogs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:18 pm Saying that. As I said above. The first goal is truly horrible. For a left back not to try and cut the cross out (Perhaps an instruction from Boss then fine) but also not to be in front of players coming in to score is unacceptable on a Sunday morning. Ling is a pro.
Ling has always played like this. This isn’t him playing under his ability. Funny you say Ling wasn’t part of him coming to the club when he openly admitted talking to him about the move when he was still at DagenhamUpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:08 pm Nigel says he reads all the public comments - I assume that includes this board
Ling - an England C international that Lofc paid money for - no one can be as poor as nearly all the posts have stated- if they can achieve England's C status - we are only one level above that
I have to assume that Ling is currently not playing to his true ability
I don't now why
Buying him was a foolish thing to do irrespective of his ability or potential - I said it at the time as a post on here.
Ling senior and others made it very clear Ling senior was not being part of the management on that transfer. - but was only a technicality or an academic statement of fact to massage any thought of conflict of interest - not the focus of the real issue looming - it has made a simple player weekly selection more complex for all- and caused fans to be resentful and that resent is not fair to the ling the player or even even the father.
Then it was emphatically stated that they do not talk about football in their house ( but they did on fletcher in Lings senior own admission).
However, it has and will create an enormous amount of actual or perceived unfairness to both son and father and fuel the negativity to both - he could be the best right back in the country but still because of lings senior behaviour( QA / fletcher / boss promotion as three examples) as us the fans see it ( or most of us have )-
it would be the best for all to find the player another club quickly
It would also relieve Ling senior from the critics
If so, wonder if Danny Senda has any sway as to who are the best players to play in the various defensive positions, starting with the right back position ?redintheface wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:05 pm Wasn’t Danny Senda brought in with a specific mandate to tighten things up defensively?
Ling is a good player in a 442. In a defensive role. As you say he steadied the defence and we were champions.
No he isn’t.Tent Keague wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:50 pmLing is a good player in a 442. In a defensive role. As you say he steadied the defence and we were champions.
What happened was that JE saw we were conceding far too many goals moved Caprice on (who is a good player in an attacking full back role, ironically one we now need) and picked Ling to play in a defensive 4 that did nothing other than defend. It's quite simple.
Slade done it with Omozusi, Baudry, Clarke and Cuthbert. You 4 are my back 4 and you do nothing other than defend. A simple clear message.
What we've got, and not just with Ling Jnr, is a lot of players that can play in 'multiple' roles. It's causing confusion and pretty much a case of square pegs and round holes.
Widdowson as a centre back. No.
Brophy as a full back. No.
Dayton as a central midfielder. No.
JMD as a winger. No.
Wilkinson as a wide right. No.
Angol on the left. No.
Sotiriou out wide. No.
Ling as an attacking full back. No.
All good players but need to play in their correct position.
This.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:54 pmNo he isn’t.Tent Keague wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:50 pmLing is a good player in a 442. In a defensive role. As you say he steadied the defence and we were champions.
What happened was that JE saw we were conceding far too many goals moved Caprice on (who is a good player in an attacking full back role, ironically one we now need) and picked Ling to play in a defensive 4 that did nothing other than defend. It's quite simple.
Slade done it with Omozusi, Baudry, Clarke and Cuthbert. You 4 are my back 4 and you do nothing other than defend. A simple clear message.
What we've got, and not just with Ling Jnr, is a lot of players that can play in 'multiple' roles. It's causing confusion and pretty much a case of square pegs and round holes.
Widdowson as a centre back. No.
Brophy as a full back. No.
Dayton as a central midfielder. No.
JMD as a winger. No.
Wilkinson as a wide right. No.
Angol on the left. No.
Sotiriou out wide. No.
Ling as an attacking full back. No.
All good players but need to play in their correct position.
Exactly.
Did he win an England C cap or just get called up to trains with the squad?UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:16 pm Why would we pay money for a English C international and then not get the most from him
I reckon to get a cap in English C is a real achievement because I believe there are many players in the semi pro game that are actually more technical than lower league players and only play it part time because they have a traditional employment career too that they want to keep
The guy they got rid off to accomodate him is playing a division higher and he was from a non league team I think ( Woking ?)
Purches was slagged off here about backing off he ended up playing higher and is a Bournemouth coach to the first team
Going back decades we had Regis who was fantastic - he came from Hayes
We had Devonshire who was fantastic - he same from southhall
There was a great forward are who started at Enfield that went for over 100k and scored for years - furlong
That just three quickly as examples
Then look at all the players Peterborough have got from non league and sold for vast profits
I am sure I remember correctly
Is the above post actually correct - we paid money for Sam Ling?BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:13 pmLing has always played like this. This isn’t him playing under his ability. Funny you say Ling wasn’t part of him coming to the club when he openly admitted talking to him about the move when he was still at DagenhamUpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:08 pm Nigel says he reads all the public comments - I assume that includes this board
Ling - an England C international that Lofc paid money for - no one can be as poor as nearly all the posts have stated- if they can achieve England's C status - we are only one level above that
I have to assume that Ling is currently not playing to his true ability
I don't now why
Buying him was a foolish thing to do irrespective of his ability or potential - I said it at the time as a post on here.
Ling senior and others made it very clear Ling senior was not being part of the management on that transfer. - but was only a technicality or an academic statement of fact to massage any thought of conflict of interest - not the focus of the real issue looming - it has made a simple player weekly selection more complex for all- and caused fans to be resentful and that resent is not fair to the ling the player or even even the father.
Then it was emphatically stated that they do not talk about football in their house ( but they did on fletcher in Lings senior own admission).
However, it has and will create an enormous amount of actual or perceived unfairness to both son and father and fuel the negativity to both - he could be the best right back in the country but still because of lings senior behaviour( QA / fletcher / boss promotion as three examples) as us the fans see it ( or most of us have )-
it would be the best for all to find the player another club quickly
It would also relieve Ling senior from the critics
Yup I remember £5k being rumoured at the time as Dagenham were skint and offloading players for peanutsDisoriented wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:29 amIs the above post actually correct - we paid money for Sam Ling?BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:13 pmLing has always played like this. This isn’t him playing under his ability. Funny you say Ling wasn’t part of him coming to the club when he openly admitted talking to him about the move when he was still at DagenhamUpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:08 pm Nigel says he reads all the public comments - I assume that includes this board
Ling - an England C international that Lofc paid money for - no one can be as poor as nearly all the posts have stated- if they can achieve England's C status - we are only one level above that
I have to assume that Ling is currently not playing to his true ability
I don't now why
Buying him was a foolish thing to do irrespective of his ability or potential - I said it at the time as a post on here.
Ling senior and others made it very clear Ling senior was not being part of the management on that transfer. - but was only a technicality or an academic statement of fact to massage any thought of conflict of interest - not the focus of the real issue looming - it has made a simple player weekly selection more complex for all- and caused fans to be resentful and that resent is not fair to the ling the player or even even the father.
Then it was emphatically stated that they do not talk about football in their house ( but they did on fletcher in Lings senior own admission).
However, it has and will create an enormous amount of actual or perceived unfairness to both son and father and fuel the negativity to both - he could be the best right back in the country but still because of lings senior behaviour( QA / fletcher / boss promotion as three examples) as us the fans see it ( or most of us have )-
it would be the best for all to find the player another club quickly
It would also relieve Ling senior from the critics
@GeorgeGeorge wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:01 pm The one thing a full back should do beyond everything else is to stop crosses.Ling doesn’t seem to think that that is important.
He is a good player. By that I mean he can control a ball , he can head a ball , he can kick a ball. But I don’t think he understands instructions or has any understanding of the game. I just don’t think that he is intelligent enough.Like many footballers, I doubt he would have a job if he wasn’t in the game.
Play him as much as you like but that part of his character will never change. He is not good enough for league two.
He plays like someone totally lacking in confidence. I still feel there is a decent player in there somewhere. Every now and then he does something really good. One pass at Salford was genuinely good for example.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:26 pm@GeorgeGeorge wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:01 pm The one thing a full back should do beyond everything else is to stop crosses.Ling doesn’t seem to think that that is important.
He is a good player. By that I mean he can control a ball , he can head a ball , he can kick a ball. But I don’t think he understands instructions or has any understanding of the game. I just don’t think that he is intelligent enough.Like many footballers, I doubt he would have a job if he wasn’t in the game.
Play him as much as you like but that part of his character will never change. He is not good enough for league two.
That is basic defensive stuff and we cannot even seem to grasp the basics of defending the goal, especially when we have a right back who gives the winger he is supposed to mark,so much space and time to put crosses into the box thus creating goal scoring chances for his own forward players ( note the first goal we conceded) All this in spite of a coaching bench full of people who have lots of coaching badges between them ! I am sure that when I watched Os play at home to Dagenham in one of the cups a few seasons ago, Sam Ling played quite well for the Daggers in a normal type of fullback role. His game and confidence have really gone backwards since he re-joined Leyton Orient.