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Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:11 pm
by EastDerehamO
EH16 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:18 am
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:55 am
I normally take views on politics from sports stars, actors etc with a yawn and pinch of salt. They’re as entitled to their opinion as anyone else of course, but at times it can come across as somewhat arrogant to pronounce with seeming authority in an area where they aren’t experts, merely on the back of their fame and skill elsewhere. Flipping it around, I just can’t any much maligned politicians telling them how to box or act!
What a ridiculous comparison. the way someone boxes or acts or plays tennis doesn't really impact on politicians lives. Politicians and the way they act has an impact on all our daily lives (Yes, it does)
The point I'm making is fame in one sphere makes their opinion on politics no more or less valid than anyone else's.
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:36 pm
by PoliticOs
Would you prefer if they used the caveat 'Hey, I'm just a boxer but **political opinion**'?
Because I'm pretty sure politicians talk about boxers they want to win, footballers they rate and films they enjoyed. Those people displaying pleasure or displeasure back isn't really arrogant, its just human.
Or an example being Rashford's recent intervention regarding free school meals. He ISN'T a politician, but does have personal experience of it. Boris Johnson IS a politician but does not have personal experience of it. Who holds the more valid opinion?
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:54 pm
by Dohnut
I have no problem with “Celebs” offering political opinions, they have as much right as anybody else. But so long as all views are respected. I see Laurence Fox, aka Sargent Hatherway in Lewis, got flack for supporting All Lives Matter over Black Lives Matter.
Some will welcome political interventions so long as they support their personal view.
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:59 pm
by Dohnut
PoliticOs wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:36 pm
Would you prefer if they used the caveat 'Hey, I'm just a boxer but **political opinion**'?
Because I'm pretty sure politicians talk about boxers they want to win, footballers they rate and films they enjoyed. Those people displaying pleasure or displeasure back isn't really arrogant, its just human.
Or an example being Rashford's recent intervention regarding free school meals. He ISN'T a politician, but does have personal experience of it. Boris Johnson IS a politician but does not have personal experience of it. Who holds the more valid opinion?
Nonsense to expect politicians to have personal experience in the areas they cover. Rarely happens. In the case of Boris he would need to have been a nurse, doctor, scientist, postman, shop worker, delivery driver, candlestick maker etc. What is important is that they listen to people who do have experience and make decisions accordingly.
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:01 pm
by PoliticOs
Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:54 pm
I have no problem with “Celebs” offering political opinions, they have as much right as anybody else. But so long as all views are respected. I see Laurence Fox, aka Sargent Hatherway in Lewis, got flack for supporting All Lives Matter over Black Lives Matter.
Some will welcome political interventions so long as they support their personal view.
I think you're conflating disagreeing with and disrespecting.
I don't 'welcome' Fox's view, because I massively disagree with him. I do welcome views I agree with more. That's again, disagreeing, not disrespecting.
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:02 pm
by PoliticOs
Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:59 pm
PoliticOs wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:36 pm
Would you prefer if they used the caveat 'Hey, I'm just a boxer but **political opinion**'?
Because I'm pretty sure politicians talk about boxers they want to win, footballers they rate and films they enjoyed. Those people displaying pleasure or displeasure back isn't really arrogant, its just human.
Or an example being Rashford's recent intervention regarding free school meals. He ISN'T a politician, but does have personal experience of it. Boris Johnson IS a politician but does not have personal experience of it. Who holds the more valid opinion?
Nonsense to expect politicians to have personal experience in the areas they cover. Rarely happens. In the case of Boris he would need to have been a nurse, doctor, scientist, postman, shop worker, delivery driver, candlestick maker etc. What is important is that they listen to people who do have experience and make decisions accordingly.
Yeah, that's exactly my point though, isn't it? Rashford is not a politician, but that doesn't mean his opinion is less worthy of an actual politician, like Boris. Particularly when it is a subject he understands. In answer to the poster I quoted.
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:10 pm
by Long slender neck
Does a millionaire like Rashford really understand?
Last I read, he was ticking off an MP for suggesting parents are responsible for feeding their kids.
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:11 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:54 pm
I have no problem with “Celebs” offering political opinions, they have as much right as anybody else. But so long as all views are respected. I see Laurence Fox, aka Sargent Hatherway in Lewis, got flack for supporting All Lives Matter over Black Lives Matter.
Some will welcome political interventions so long as they support their personal view.
'All Lives Matter' isn't a movement as such for him or anyone to support.
What he was doing is criticising Black Lives Matter. He's entitled to an opinion but it's a subject the Harrow educated toff hasn't got the first clue about. Which is why he's been widely ridiculed when spouting his guff.
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:12 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:10 pm
Does a millionaire like Rashford really understand?
Last I read, he was ticking off an MP for suggesting parents are responsible for feeding their kids.
I'm pretty sure he hasn't always been a millionaire. So as long as his memory remembers more than the last couple of year, yeah.
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:20 pm
by Long slender neck
He's an expert because he's gone from rags to riches?
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:29 pm
by PoliticOs
Nah, he's can hold an authentic opinion because he's experienced the specific thing he was talking about. That's all. But then you know that you silly sausage.
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:31 pm
by Story of O
PW got his bite.
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:35 pm
by Oiram
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Makes me so angry. Why can't they stick to sports? You'd never have seen the greatest sportsman of all time, Muhammad Ali, do this.
Ali? You are jesting of course?
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:36 pm
by Long slender neck
It must just be really annoying to be lectured by a dumb celeb, especially if they're right.
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:38 pm
by PoliticOs
Yeah that's right.
Re: More sports stars getting political
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:53 pm
by Mistadobalina
Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:54 pm
I have no problem with “Celebs” offering political opinions, they have as much right as anybody else. But so long as all views are respected. I see Laurence Fox, aka Sargent Hatherway in Lewis, got flack for supporting All Lives Matter over Black Lives Matter.
Some will welcome political interventions so long as they support their personal view.
All lives matter isn't a movement though. Why on earth Laurence Fox, who seems to be thick as mince, has become a pin up for the right, I have no idea. He's the worst poster child imaginable. By his own admission he watches a ton of conspiracy theory videos on YouTube and that informs his outlook.