Myles Judd

Chat about Leyton Orient (or anything else)

Moderator: Long slender neck

User avatar
Rich Tea Wellin
MB Legend
MB Legend
Posts: 11212
Joined: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:01 pm
Has thanked: 4810 times
Been thanked: 3503 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Rich Tea Wellin »

Just to be clear, are we all judging that Judd isn't good enough on a handful of games in struggling teams or interrupted by injury, all before the age of 21?
PoliticOs
Tiresome troll
Tiresome troll
Posts: 1219
Joined: Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:07 pm
Awards: Funniest boarder 2011, 2014
Has thanked: 126 times
Been thanked: 382 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by PoliticOs »

Yep. Just to be clear, are we all judging that R0ss Embleton isn't good enough on a handful of games within teams that aren't his own after the year we had last year and after a global pandemic, all before his first full season as a manager?
RedDwarf 1881
MB Legend
MB Legend
Posts: 13161
Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:06 am
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 2668 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by RedDwarf 1881 »

Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:13 pm Should be ruthless and get rid of Ling and Judd neither is good enough to hold down that position in a League Two team IMHO and remember we are supposed to be building a squad with players who can hold their own in League One, use their wages towards bringing in a more experienced right back and a loanee centre half who can play right back to balance out the squad.
Absolutely . That's what should happen but it won't. We'll plod on with two RB's who are not good enough and a patched up central defence . Our midfield and strikers are good enough but our defence concerns me this season.
Last edited by RedDwarf 1881 on Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Rich Tea Wellin
MB Legend
MB Legend
Posts: 11212
Joined: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:01 pm
Has thanked: 4810 times
Been thanked: 3503 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Rich Tea Wellin »

PoliticOs wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:26 pm Yep. Just to be clear, are we all judging that R0ss Embleton isn't good enough on a handful of games within teams that aren't his own after the year we had last year and after a global pandemic, all before his first full season as a manager?
Cool good to be clear.

And yes. Although your details are tenuous.
User avatar
Disoriented
Boardin' 24/7
Boardin' 24/7
Posts: 6534
Joined: Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:06 pm
Location: Valhalla
Awards: Idiot of the year 2020
Has thanked: 509 times
Been thanked: 305 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Disoriented »

Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:13 pm Should be ruthless and get rid of Ling and Judd neither is good enough to hold down that position in a League Two team IMHO and remember we are supposed to be building a squad with players who can hold their own in League One, use their wages towards bringing in a more experienced right back and a loanee centre half who can play right back to balance out the squad.
Yes, but one is palpably weaker than the other and the second one doesn’t have daddy calling the shots.
PoundhillO
Bored office worker
Bored office worker
Posts: 2205
Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:41 am
Has thanked: 409 times
Been thanked: 439 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by PoundhillO »

Let’s be honest if Ling Snr was not the DOF Ling Junior would not even make the squad, Judd is definitely the better player out of the two.However we desperately need a new back to replace both of them that is a proven quality player at this level and above rather than go with Ling Junior or Judd. If they don’t bring in a new player to replace them both we will never get promoted out of this division.
RedDwarf 1881
MB Legend
MB Legend
Posts: 13161
Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:06 am
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 2668 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by RedDwarf 1881 »

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:33 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:13 pm Should be ruthless and get rid of Ling and Judd neither is good enough to hold down that position in a League Two team IMHO and remember we are supposed to be building a squad with players who can hold their own in League One, use their wages towards bringing in a more experienced right back and a loanee centre half who can play right back to balance out the squad.
Absolutely . That's what should happen but it won't. We'll plod on with two RB's who are not good enough and a patched up central defence . Our midfield and strikers are good enough but our defence concerns me this season.
Sid Bishop
Boardin' 24/7
Boardin' 24/7
Posts: 6006
Joined: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:12 am
Has thanked: 5822 times
Been thanked: 1083 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Sid Bishop »

Disoriented wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:49 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:13 pm Should be ruthless and get rid of Ling and Judd neither is good enough to hold down that position in a League Two team IMHO and remember we are supposed to be building a squad with players who can hold their own in League One, use their wages towards bringing in a more experienced right back and a loanee centre half who can play right back to balance out the squad.
Yes, but one is palpably weaker than the other and the second one doesn’t have daddy calling the shots.
Yes all true and I think that Myles Judd is the the better of these two young fullbacks and is worthy of an extended run in the side. In comparison to Ling, Judd has more skill and energy especially when it comes to overlapping and supporting the attacking movements.
User avatar
Top of the JES
Regular
Regular
Posts: 3728
Joined: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:38 pm
Has thanked: 1288 times
Been thanked: 1289 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Top of the JES »

Apple Wumble wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:21 pm Just to be clear, are we all judging that Judd isn't good enough on a handful of games in struggling teams or interrupted by injury, all before the age of 21?
He's played over 60 games which is hardly a handful, I think that's enough for anyone to have an opinion. They certainly were not all in struggling teams he played some of those in our promotion season. The fact he is injury prone at such an early age does not bode well does it and maybe that's been part of the issue, Happe whio is only slightly older has hardly been out injured has he?
POSHO
Fresh Alias
Posts: 394
Joined: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:53 am
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 59 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by POSHO »

Judd not mentioned as on the injury list at present. Hes name was not mentioned in the recent manager video
User avatar
Rich Tea Wellin
MB Legend
MB Legend
Posts: 11212
Joined: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:01 pm
Has thanked: 4810 times
Been thanked: 3503 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Rich Tea Wellin »

Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:02 pm
Apple Wumble wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:21 pm Just to be clear, are we all judging that Judd isn't good enough on a handful of games in struggling teams or interrupted by injury, all before the age of 21?
He's played over 60 games which is hardly a handful, I think that's enough for anyone to have an opinion. They certainly were not all in struggling teams he played some of those in our promotion season. The fact he is injury prone at such an early age does not bode well does it and maybe that's been part of the issue, Happe whio is only slightly older has hardly been out injured has he?
All some good points.

But point still stands that we are all writing off a kid who hasn't played a game for us above the age of 20. Seems to be the case.
PoliticOs
Tiresome troll
Tiresome troll
Posts: 1219
Joined: Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:07 pm
Awards: Funniest boarder 2011, 2014
Has thanked: 126 times
Been thanked: 382 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by PoliticOs »

Apple Wumble wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:47 pm
PoliticOs wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:26 pm Yep. Just to be clear, are we all judging that R0ss Embleton isn't good enough on a handful of games within teams that aren't his own after the year we had last year and after a global pandemic, all before his first full season as a manager?
Cool good to be clear.

And yes. Although your details are tenuous.
Which details were tenuous?
DuvB
Tiresome troll
Tiresome troll
Posts: 1207
Joined: Mon May 13, 2019 1:27 pm
Has thanked: 1790 times
Been thanked: 305 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by DuvB »

Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:13 pm Should be ruthless and get rid of Ling and Judd neither is good enough to hold down that position in a League Two team IMHO and remember we are supposed to be building a squad with players who can hold their own in League One, use their wages towards bringing in a more experienced right back and a loanee centre half who can play right back to balance out the squad.
The season after this one is when major reconstruction of our squad can take place with so many out of contract.
POSHO
Fresh Alias
Posts: 394
Joined: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:53 am
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 59 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by POSHO »

But of course it's not easy to get rid of contracted players. They must agree to ho and clubs must want them
BiggsyMalone
Regular
Regular
Posts: 4553
Joined: Wed May 01, 2019 4:12 pm
Has thanked: 932 times
Been thanked: 990 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by BiggsyMalone »

PoliticOs wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:26 pm Yep. Just to be clear, are we all judging that R0ss Embleton isn't good enough on a handful of games within teams that aren't his own after the year we had last year and after a global pandemic, all before his first full season as a manager?
Not his own team? He coached this team under JE. He had a full season bar a few games as the manager.
User avatar
Millennial Snowflake
Tiresome troll
Tiresome troll
Posts: 1329
Joined: Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:50 pm
Has thanked: 528 times
Been thanked: 423 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Millennial Snowflake »

RedO wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:46 pm
Millennial Snowflake wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:28 pm Heard Wolves want him as Matt Doherty's replacement
I doubt that, he's nowhere near that level.

Hold up, are you doing funnies? LOL.
Admittedly wasn't as funny as your attempt to blame Gillingham's only clearcut chance on Ling but we move
User avatar
Top of the JES
Regular
Regular
Posts: 3728
Joined: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:38 pm
Has thanked: 1288 times
Been thanked: 1289 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Top of the JES »

Apple Wumble wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:08 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:02 pm
Apple Wumble wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:21 pm Just to be clear, are we all judging that Judd isn't good enough on a handful of games in struggling teams or interrupted by injury, all before the age of 21?
He's played over 60 games which is hardly a handful, I think that's enough for anyone to have an opinion. They certainly were not all in struggling teams he played some of those in our promotion season. The fact he is injury prone at such an early age does not bode well does it and maybe that's been part of the issue, Happe whio is only slightly older has hardly been out injured has he?
All some good points.

But point still stands that we are all writing off a kid who hasn't played a game for us above the age of 20. Seems to be the case.
Because like Ling he isn't good enough for League Two.
User avatar
Rich Tea Wellin
MB Legend
MB Legend
Posts: 11212
Joined: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:01 pm
Has thanked: 4810 times
Been thanked: 3503 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Rich Tea Wellin »

Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:58 pm
Apple Wumble wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:08 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:02 pm

He's played over 60 games which is hardly a handful, I think that's enough for anyone to have an opinion. They certainly were not all in struggling teams he played some of those in our promotion season. The fact he is injury prone at such an early age does not bode well does it and maybe that's been part of the issue, Happe whio is only slightly older has hardly been out injured has he?
All some good points.

But point still stands that we are all writing off a kid who hasn't played a game for us above the age of 20. Seems to be the case.
Because like Ling he isn't good enough for League Two.
Good to see you've written him off
User avatar
Top of the JES
Regular
Regular
Posts: 3728
Joined: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:38 pm
Has thanked: 1288 times
Been thanked: 1289 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Top of the JES »

Apple Wumble wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:59 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:58 pm
Apple Wumble wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:08 pm

All some good points.

But point still stands that we are all writing off a kid who hasn't played a game for us above the age of 20. Seems to be the case.
Because like Ling he isn't good enough for League Two.
Good to see you've written him off
I think most people would say neither full back is good enough. I would imagine they will end up having careers in the national league and who knows maybe in a few years bounce back into the EFL like others have done. In all honesty there is nothing to chose between them They are both suspect defenders and not up to League Two. Judd had had 60 plus games over four seasons
Why would you keep him?
User avatar
Rich Tea Wellin
MB Legend
MB Legend
Posts: 11212
Joined: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:01 pm
Has thanked: 4810 times
Been thanked: 3503 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Rich Tea Wellin »

Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:09 pm
Apple Wumble wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:59 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:58 pm

Because like Ling he isn't good enough for League Two.
Good to see you've written him off
I think most people would say neither full back is good enough. I would imagine they will end up having careers in the national league and who knows maybe in a few years bounce back into the EFL like others have done. In all honesty there is nothing to chose between them They are both suspect defenders and not up to League Two. Judd had had 60 plus games over four seasons
Why would you keep him?
Because he hasn't played a league game above the age of 20. Has been injured a lot. Call me an optimist but i think that a really highly rated kid a couple of years ago deserves a bit more of a crack before being labelled a NL player, or any level actually.

I think cos he's been around a fair bit people think he's older or something but i find it strange that theres a very strong opinion of him already considering his lack of game time and age.

Personally I think he'll leave us (forced out) and end up being a good league two defender and maybe higher. but thats just me.
User avatar
Top of the JES
Regular
Regular
Posts: 3728
Joined: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:38 pm
Has thanked: 1288 times
Been thanked: 1289 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Top of the JES »

Apple Wumble wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:13 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:09 pm
Apple Wumble wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:59 pm
Good to see you've written him off
I think most people would say neither full back is good enough. I would imagine they will end up having careers in the national league and who knows maybe in a few years bounce back into the EFL like others have done. In all honesty there is nothing to chose between them They are both suspect defenders and not up to League Two. Judd had had 60 plus games over four seasons
Why would you keep him?
Because he hasn't played a league game above the age of 20. Has been injured a lot. Call me an optimist but i think that a really highly rated kid a couple of years ago deserves a bit more of a crack before being labelled a NL player, or any level actually.

I think cos he's been around a fair bit people think he's older or something but i find it strange that theres a very strong opinion of him already considering his lack of game time and age.

Personally I think he'll leave us (forced out) and end up being a good league two defender and maybe higher. but thats just me.
Let me help you get your facts right I believe Judd has played Nine league and Thee EFL Trophy games after his 20th Birthday on February 24th 2019 HTH.
User avatar
Long slender neck
MB Legend
MB Legend
Posts: 14911
Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:13 am
Has thanked: 2620 times
Been thanked: 3437 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Long slender neck »

I like Judd but many confusing his headless chicken act for talent.
User avatar
Rich Tea Wellin
MB Legend
MB Legend
Posts: 11212
Joined: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:01 pm
Has thanked: 4810 times
Been thanked: 3503 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Rich Tea Wellin »

Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:28 pm
Apple Wumble wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:13 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:09 pm

I think most people would say neither full back is good enough. I would imagine they will end up having careers in the national league and who knows maybe in a few years bounce back into the EFL like others have done. In all honesty there is nothing to chose between them They are both suspect defenders and not up to League Two. Judd had had 60 plus games over four seasons
Why would you keep him?
Because he hasn't played a league game above the age of 20. Has been injured a lot. Call me an optimist but i think that a really highly rated kid a couple of years ago deserves a bit more of a crack before being labelled a NL player, or any level actually.

I think cos he's been around a fair bit people think he's older or something but i find it strange that theres a very strong opinion of him already considering his lack of game time and age.

Personally I think he'll leave us (forced out) and end up being a good league two defender and maybe higher. but thats just me.
Let me help you get your facts right I believe Judd has played Nine league and Thee EFL Trophy games after his 20th Birthday on February 24th 2019 HTH.
He hasn't played a game for us at the age of 21. HTH.
User avatar
Long slender neck
MB Legend
MB Legend
Posts: 14911
Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:13 am
Has thanked: 2620 times
Been thanked: 3437 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Long slender neck »

When was he 21? Presumably you sent a card?
Ronnie Hotdogs
MB Legend
MB Legend
Posts: 13069
Joined: Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:40 pm
Has thanked: 831 times
Been thanked: 2637 times

Re: Myles Judd

Post by Ronnie Hotdogs »

If we’d brought in a proper full back ahead of Judd, no one would be complaining. He would have had an experienced player to learn from, cover for and ultimately to challenge for the first team spot.

The problem is we bought Ling. An inferior player, just a little bit older but with less experience, and with the added complication of being the son of the boss. That was the error.
Post Reply