Independent Leyton Orient Forum

DuvB wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:59 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:50 pm

DuvB wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:33 pm We can’t judge but the club can.

Ah, accept everything, question nothing.

All I am saying is that us on the outside know very little.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:16 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:09 pm I wondered what a sport scientist actually did ? After googling it, I think that it would be more worthwhile to have one at a football club rather than adding extra coaches.
Here is a brief summing up, further more information via the link.
''Sports scientists assist sportspeople to achieve the best possible sporting performance, by applying knowledge and techniques from the areas of medicine, physiology, biomechanics (the study of human movement), nutrition, psychology and physiotherapy/massage.''
What is sport and exercise science ?

The head of our sports science is Michael Mullane
He has been at the club 2 years & 2 months

Emma Baughurst was a more junior member of staff.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:14 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:59 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:50 pm

Ah, accept everything, question nothing.

All I am saying is that us on the outside know very little.

That is because the club is a closed shop and tell us nothing. The Orient Hour does nothing to probe this iron curtain either.

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:03 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:14 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:59 pm

All I am saying is that us on the outside know very little.

That is because the club is a closed shop and tell us nothing. The Orient Hour does nothing to probe this iron curtain either.

macklin may not have been able to speak about the situation as a compromise agreement may have been in place. So legally he is constrained.

On the other hand he is also respecting the person involved as I'm sure if it happened to you, would you want it discussed on a radio show?

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:28 pm

OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:14 pm I'm afraid you may have got the wrong idea about what and who that podcast is for, Diso

It's a mouthpiece the club can use to come on and talk bollocks whilst showing how engaged they are with the fan base.

No radio show or podcast will ask anyone at the club will ask why members of staff were laid off because of the economic climate (Ling's exact words), why they guilted people into waiving their refunds from last season but at the same time added even more coaching staff.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:10 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:04 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:41 pm
No, Martin Ling specifically said Ottley and Baughurst were both leaving because they had to reduce the number of staff due to the current economic climate. Clearly that isn't true because Brill took over as GK coach and Harrold has since come in. If they both left and no reason was given, there wouldn't be an issue.

Brill was already was on the coaching staff, so the decision about him or Ottley makes sense if he is taking on responsibility for the keepers. No point having duplication of roles there. Ottley possibly a victim of Brill's contract, but remember that Brill has coached before.

As far as Baughurst goes, since then Senda and Harrold have been added to the coaching staff, not just Harrold, as well as McAnuff renewing and rejoining the coaching team. That suggests that in order to add coaches we've had to sacrifice an off field staffing role. I.e. the club have reviewed roles and made a decison on priorities and what they need most and had to get rid of this role that they'd ideally have kept in better economic times to allow another different position to be subsidised along with tge saving from Ottley. It's the most obvious explanation.

You're deliberately missing the point.

Brill for Ottley isn't an issue. Martin Ling chose to say 'due to the current economic climate, I've had to reduce the number of staff'. Getting Senda in is fine, they needed a number 2. If they think Matt Harrold will add coaching experience to Embleton, Senda, McAnuff and Brill, then God help us. Matt Harrold isn't needed, simple as that.

Clearly what Martin Ling said wasn't true or it was misleading. Saying 'we've reduced the number of staff so we could give ex-players a leg up' isn't going to wash. Either be honest or don't say anything.

DuvB wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:35 am More coaches surely means more time can be spent with individuals or small groups of players to work on their deficiencies, whatever they may be.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:58 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:35 am More coaches surely means more time can be spent with individuals or small groups of players to work on their deficiencies, whatever they may be.

Let me say this slowly:

Ling..........said..........that...........they..........need..........to..........save.........money..........which..........justifies...........sackings. Therefore ...............hiring.........more.............people.............renders.........this.........an.........absolute..........lie.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:58 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:35 am More coaches surely means more time can be spent with individuals or small groups of players to work on their deficiencies, whatever they may be.

Let me say this slowly:

Ling..........said..........that...........they..........need..........to..........save.........money..........which..........justifies...........sackings. Therefore ...............hiring.........more.............people.............renders.........this.........an.........absolute..........lie.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:14 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:59 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:50 pm

Ah, accept everything, question nothing.

All I am saying is that us on the outside know very little.

That is because the club is a closed shop and tell us nothing. The Orient Hour does nothing to probe this iron curtain either.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:25 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:58 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:35 am More coaches surely means more time can be spent with individuals or small groups of players to work on their deficiencies, whatever they may be.

Let me say this slowly:

Ling..........said..........that...........they..........need..........to..........save.........money..........which..........justifies...........sackings. Therefore ...............hiring.........more.............people.............renders.........this.........an.........absolute..........lie.

She wasnt sacked .
Dont try to besmirch her or anyone elses character !!

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:45 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:14 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:59 pm

All I am saying is that us on the outside know very little.

That is because the club is a closed shop and tell us nothing. The Orient Hour does nothing to probe this iron curtain either.

OK, Disoriented, we do ask questions, I apologise if these dont always meet your exacting standards.
Seriously, the club are reasonably open about the majority of things, but obviously there are certain decisions that the hierarchy take that don't involve informing the likes of us. Certain things will remain under wraps as they would do with any business.
Why do people expect to be told in minute detail about every action taken by every dept within the club. It really is none of most people's business.
We do push for answers Disoriented, but if a guest, whoever they may be declines to go into specific detail then we have to respect that. Overall I think the club are reasonably good at keeping fans informed, but as fans we must respect their right to keep certain things in house. Thanks.

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:13 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:58 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:35 am More coaches surely means more time can be spent with individuals or small groups of players to work on their deficiencies, whatever they may be.

Let me say this slowly:

Ling..........said..........that...........they..........need..........to..........save.........money..........which..........justifies...........sackings. Therefore ...............hiring.........more.............people.............renders.........this.........an.........absolute..........lie.

you are quite correct in what you state based on what ling said. However duvb is also correct in what he says.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:28 pm

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:45 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:14 am

That is because the club is a closed shop and tell us nothing. The Orient Hour does nothing to probe this iron curtain either.

OK, Disoriented, we do ask questions, I apologise if these dont always meet your exacting standards.
Seriously, the club are reasonably open about the majority of things, but obviously there are certain decisions that the hierarchy take that don't involve informing the likes of us. Certain things will remain under wraps as they would do with any business.
Why do people expect to be told in minute detail about every action taken by every dept within the club. It really is none of most people's business.
We do push for answers Disoriented, but if a guest, whoever they may be declines to go into specific detail then we have to respect that. Overall I think the club are reasonably good at keeping fans informed, but as fans we must respect their right to keep certain things in house. Thanks.

It's not just you but every time someone from the club goes on a podcast or radio show, they get underarm questions bowled at them. I understand from the show's point of view that they won't be trusted and the club won't go on there anymore but there's a lot of decisions happening that need to be explained and justified to the fans.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:30 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:13 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:58 am

Let me say this slowly:

Ling..........said..........that...........they..........need..........to..........save.........money..........which..........justifies...........sackings. Therefore ...............hiring.........more.............people.............renders.........this.........an.........absolute..........lie.

you are quite correct in what you state based on what ling said. However duvb is also correct in what he says.

Is he? What he's saying is the people that get to spend more time with these players and work on their deficiencies are the same people (minus Senda) who have been at the club over the last few years. It's like giving Embleton the job after he said he doesn't want it and showed he quite clearly wasn't up to it. Ling just carries on with his process in the hope it might pay off in 10 years.

Loyalty and failure hand in hand.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:51 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:30 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:13 am

you are quite correct in what you state based on what ling said. However duvb is also correct in what he says.

Is he? What he's saying is the people that get to spend more time with these players and work on their deficiencies are the same people (minus Senda) who have been at the club over the last few years. It's like giving Embleton the job after he said he doesn't want it and showed he quite clearly wasn't up to it. Ling just carries on with his process in the hope it might pay off in 10 years.

Loyalty and failure hand in hand.

Start your own podcast & interview people
You can get all the answers you need then

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:55 pm You could also tweet or email Danny if you really care so much. Probably ain't got the bottle though.

Andy Gilson wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:45 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:14 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:59 pm

All I am saying is that us on the outside know very little.

That is because the club is a closed shop and tell us nothing. The Orient Hour does nothing to probe this iron curtain either.

OK, Disoriented, we do ask questions, I apologise if these dont always meet your exacting standards.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:10 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:04 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:41 pm
No, Martin Ling specifically said Ottley and Baughurst were both leaving because they had to reduce the number of staff due to the current economic climate. Clearly that isn't true because Brill took over as GK coach and Harrold has since come in. If they both left and no reason was given, there wouldn't be an issue.

Brill was already was on the coaching staff, so the decision about him or Ottley makes sense if he is taking on responsibility for the keepers. No point having duplication of roles there. Ottley possibly a victim of Brill's contract, but remember that Brill has coached before.

As far as Baughurst goes, since then Senda and Harrold have been added to the coaching staff, not just Harrold, as well as McAnuff renewing and rejoining the coaching team. That suggests that in order to add coaches we've had to sacrifice an off field staffing role. I.e. the club have reviewed roles and made a decison on priorities and what they need most and had to get rid of this role that they'd ideally have kept in better economic times to allow another different position to be subsidised along with tge saving from Ottley. It's the most obvious explanation.

You're deliberately missing the point.

Brill for Ottley isn't an issue. Martin Ling chose to say 'due to the current economic climate, I've had to reduce the number of staff'. Getting Senda in is fine, they needed a number 2. If they think Matt Harrold will add coaching experience to Embleton, Senda, McAnuff and Brill, then God help us. Matt Harrold isn't needed, simple as that.

Clearly what Martin Ling said wasn't true or it was misleading. Saying 'we've reduced the number of staff so we could give ex-players a leg up' isn't going to wash. Either be honest or don't say anything.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:09 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:10 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:04 pm

Brill was already was on the coaching staff, so the decision about him or Ottley makes sense if he is taking on responsibility for the keepers. No point having duplication of roles there. Ottley possibly a victim of Brill's contract, but remember that Brill has coached before.

As far as Baughurst goes, since then Senda and Harrold have been added to the coaching staff, not just Harrold, as well as McAnuff renewing and rejoining the coaching team. That suggests that in order to add coaches we've had to sacrifice an off field staffing role. I.e. the club have reviewed roles and made a decison on priorities and what they need most and had to get rid of this role that they'd ideally have kept in better economic times to allow another different position to be subsidised along with tge saving from Ottley. It's the most obvious explanation.

You're deliberately missing the point.

Brill for Ottley isn't an issue. Martin Ling chose to say 'due to the current economic climate, I've had to reduce the number of staff'. Getting Senda in is fine, they needed a number 2. If they think Matt Harrold will add coaching experience to Embleton, Senda, McAnuff and Brill, then God help us. Matt Harrold isn't needed, simple as that.

Clearly what Martin Ling said wasn't true or it was misleading. Saying 'we've reduced the number of staff so we could give ex-players a leg up' isn't going to wash. Either be honest or don't say anything.

I'm not missing the point. When you formulate your desired plan for a team of non playing staff under normal circumstances you might be able to have all of those roles included. But because of the present economic conditions then you want you might have to make decisions on some of the roles because of the revised budget you have available. So if you still want 'n' number of coaches you might need to lose some of the other positions. The fact Harrold came in recently makes sense as two months ago when the other positions were made redundant the players were not back at training so why rush into it? Just because we had a budget for non playing staff it didn't mean we had to use it all up immediately.

This applies in the real world as well as football. For example, my company made loads of people redundant sadly two months ago, but since then we've also recruited people in other specialist positions because we've needed those people to take the business forward.

Anyway, I've posted this as a question for Danny Macklin as I'm interested in his view on it so guess we will know more soon.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:54 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:09 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:10 pm
You're deliberately missing the point.

Brill for Ottley isn't an issue. Martin Ling chose to say 'due to the current economic climate, I've had to reduce the number of staff'. Getting Senda in is fine, they needed a number 2. If they think Matt Harrold will add coaching experience to Embleton, Senda, McAnuff and Brill, then God help us. Matt Harrold isn't needed, simple as that.

Clearly what Martin Ling said wasn't true or it was misleading. Saying 'we've reduced the number of staff so we could give ex-players a leg up' isn't going to wash. Either be honest or don't say anything.

I'm not missing the point. When you formulate your desired plan for a team of non playing staff under normal circumstances you might be able to have all of those roles included. But because of the present economic conditions then you want you might have to make decisions on some of the roles because of the revised budget you have available. So if you still want 'n' number of coaches you might need to lose some of the other positions. The fact Harrold came in recently makes sense as two months ago when the other positions were made redundant the players were not back at training so why rush into it? Just because we had a budget for non playing staff it didn't mean we had to use it all up immediately.

This applies in the real world as well as football. For example, my company made loads of people redundant sadly two months ago, but since then we've also recruited people in other specialist positions because we've needed those people to take the business forward.

Anyway, I've posted this as a question for Danny Macklin as I'm interested in his view on it so guess we will know more soon.

You are. The statement wasn’t ‘we have to restructure our first team staff and coaching’. It was ‘we have to reduce the number of staff’.

This coaching set up failed last season and yet the club’s way of making it better is by making Matt Harrold (who played under this setup last season) another coach.

Why have you asked him? It’s Martin Ling who needs to answer this one. Jobs for the boys and a protective layer around the DOF. I can’t see Nigel and Kent being owners in 2 years and ML wants to make sure there are enough ‘Orient people’ around the first team and a structure that is difficult to break down, no matter how well or poor they perform. See Carl Fletcher.