Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Posted: **Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:05 pm**

Beradogs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:03 pm One big happy family. It’s the orient way. That and losing. Good for Embleton and Ling though. They really have it sown up. Plenty of sackings before they need to step forward and accept any blame.

Fella, they will always have Sid and co. supporting their mistakes through thick and thin.

The blind leading the blind.

Posted: **Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:27 pm**

Out of interest Dis, if Martin Ling left tomorrow how would you rate his success at LOFC as DOF out of 10?

Posted: **Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:33 pm**

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:31 pm Completely lost for words.

Yes, I thought Prince Harry was trying to keep a low profile. Bit of a commute as well.

Posted: **Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:40 pm**

I see nothing wrong in giving newly retired players a chance to get on the coaching ladder. They will probably stay in that role before getting a better role elsewhere and then allowing another retired player to fill the role. This is part of the proposition to incoming players that the owners want to be seen to offer.

Posted: **Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:43 pm**

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:27 pm Out of interest Dis, if Martin Ling left tomorrow how would you rate his success at LOFC as DOF out of 10?

4.5

Posted: **Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:44 pm**

Oiram wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:43 pm
PoliticOs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:27 pm Out of interest Dis, if Martin Ling left tomorrow how would you rate his success at LOFC as DOF out of 10?

4.5

Strong 7

Posted: **Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:46 pm**

As part time coach and part time scout I doubt it's breaking the bank (generally speaking scouting is expenses only) it's more the point of it considered those let go and also how many f*cking coaches do we need?!?!

Under Justin it was just nice and simple. That's why it worked.

Posted: **Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:07 pm**

To be fair under Justin it was;

Manager: JE
Assistant: RE
First Team Coach: DW
Goalkeeping Coach: RO

All we've done is replace those jobs and add a coach to that, but that coach (Jobi) is on a playing contract too. So I don't think its extravagant. It is just inexperienced heavy. Although, Senda has about as much experience as Webb did. Brill has less than Ottley did I think so even then it's maybe not too dramatically different minus the one very obvious difference.

Posted: **Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:33 pm**

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:27 pm if Martin Ling left tomorrow

We can dream...

Posted: **Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:58 pm**

Beradogs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:03 pm One big happy family. It’s the orient way. That and losing. Good for Embleton and Ling though. They really have it sown up. Plenty of sackings before they need to step forward and accept any blame.

Fact! Well said and it’s a concern I share.

Posted: **Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:03 pm**

Posted: **Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:30 am**

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:17 pm “For Emma, she’s been with us for five years, and indeed since the day I walked in.

“She’s done a great job in this period, but in the current economic climate I’ve had to reduce numbers of staff, and unfortunately Emma was one of these casualties.

Outrageous

Link here https://www.leytonorient.com/2020/06/05 ... s-move-on/

The good news is this must mean we’re back in the money.

Posted: **Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:15 am**

RedO wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:30 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:17 pm “For Emma, she’s been with us for five years, and indeed since the day I walked in.

“She’s done a great job in this period, but in the current economic climate I’ve had to reduce numbers of staff, and unfortunately Emma was one of these casualties.

Outrageous
Link here https://www.leytonorient.com/2020/06/05 ... s-move-on/

The good news is this must mean we’re back in the money.

I guess all those shirts, facemasks, and pitchside dinners have helped us meet Harrold's salary.

Posted: **Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:51 am**

Pretty non-plussed with this at best.
As others have stated, more "jobs for the boys"

Strikingly similar, albeit on a smaller scale, to what Arsenal have done recently. Kick loyal members of the backroom team onto the dole without a second thought because it "suits them" to spend the money elsewhere. I thought Orient were better than that.

Nothing against Harrold personally; I've no doubt he's a nice bloke, and his lumbering efforts on the pitch bore occasional fruit, but his coaching experience is pretty much nil.
Unless they're grooming one of Harrold/Brill etc to take over from RE, I don't see why we need yet another coach.

Posted: **Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:17 pm**

Orient are now a classic case of "too many chiefs and not enough Indians" ?

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:55 am**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:05 pm
Beradogs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:03 pm One big happy family. It’s the orient way. That and losing. Good for Embleton and Ling though. They really have it sown up. Plenty of sackings before they need to step forward and accept any blame.
Fella, they will always have Sid and co. supporting their mistakes through thick and thin.

The blind leading the blind.

Silly comment, look to Tuffers if you want a cheer leader for Ling and Embleton.
I am not the biggest fan of Ling and definitely not a Cheer leader for Embleton and have stated that opinion many times on this forum.

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:57 am**

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:27 pm Out of interest Dis, if Martin Ling left tomorrow how would you rate his success at LOFC as DOF out of 10?

Fair question.

Five. I am a generous guy.

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:58 am**

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:55 am
Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:05 pm
Beradogs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:03 pm One big happy family. It’s the orient way. That and losing. Good for Embleton and Ling though. They really have it sown up. Plenty of sackings before they need to step forward and accept any blame.
Fella, they will always have Sid and co. supporting their mistakes through thick and thin.

The blind leading the blind.
Silly comment, look to Tuffers if you want a cheer leader for Ling and Embleton.
I am not the biggest fan of Ling and definitely not a Cheer leader for Embleton and have stated that opinion many times on this forum.

Come on Sid, no need for insults.

If you really don’t respect Long’s contributions, time to say it and stop criticising those with the sense to have called it from day 1.

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:44 am**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:58 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:55 am
Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:05 pm

Fella, they will always have Sid and co. supporting their mistakes through thick and thin.

The blind leading the blind.
Silly comment, look to Tuffers if you want a cheer leader for Ling and Embleton.
I am not the biggest fan of Ling and definitely not a Cheer leader for Embleton and have stated that opinion many times on this forum.
Come on Sid, no need for insults.

If you really don’t respect Long’s contributions, time to say it and stop criticising those with the sense to have called it from day 1.

Insults, where was that then ? If you mean where I wrote ''Silly comment'' , well come on, that is very mild compared to many of the things said on this forum !
I have a balanced view on all things in life. I do not think that Embleton is any way the right person to be Manager of Leyton Orient and have said so many times. IMO, Ling ( as I have also stated many times ) initially did a good job in quickly getting players, manager and staff in when we had only a few kids on the books to represent us but now the club has stabilized and with the personal that is already in place now at the club, I feel that his job role is no longer required and it is time for him to move on.

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:48 am**

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:44 am
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:58 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:55 am

Silly comment, look to Tuffers if you want a cheer leader for Ling and Embleton.
I am not the biggest fan of Ling and definitely not a Cheer leader for Embleton and have stated that opinion many times on this forum.
Come on Sid, no need for insults.

If you really don’t respect Long’s contributions, time to say it and stop criticising those with the sense to have called it from day 1.
Insults, where was that then ? If you mean where I wrote ''Silly comment'' , well come on, that is very mild compared to many of the things said on this forum !
I have a balanced view on all things in life. I do not think that Embleton is any way the right person to be Manager of Leyton Orient and have said so many times. IMO, Ling ( as I have also stated many times ) initially did a good job in quickly getting players, manager and staff in when we had only a few kids on the books to represent us but now the club has stabilized and with the personal that is already in place now at the club, I feel that his job role is no longer required and it is time for him to move on.

Yes, that is what I meant.

You are better than that Sid.

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:59 am**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:48 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:44 am
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:58 am

Come on Sid, no need for insults.

If you really don’t respect Long’s contributions, time to say it and stop criticising those with the sense to have called it from day 1.
Insults, where was that then ? If you mean where I wrote ''Silly comment'' , well come on, that is very mild compared to many of the things said on this forum !
I have a balanced view on all things in life. I do not think that Embleton is any way the right person to be Manager of Leyton Orient and have said so many times. IMO, Ling ( as I have also stated many times ) initially did a good job in quickly getting players, manager and staff in when we had only a few kids on the books to represent us but now the club has stabilized and with the personal that is already in place now at the club, I feel that his job role is no longer required and it is time for him to move on.
Yes, that is what I meant.

You are better than that Sid.

Seems like I am I supposed to be a whiter than white saintly type of figure then !!

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:00 am**

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:59 am
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:48 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:44 am

Insults, where was that then ? If you mean where I wrote ''Silly comment'' , well come on, that is very mild compared to many of the things said on this forum !
I have a balanced view on all things in life. I do not think that Embleton is any way the right person to be Manager of Leyton Orient and have said so many times. IMO, Ling ( as I have also stated many times ) initially did a good job in quickly getting players, manager and staff in when we had only a few kids on the books to represent us but now the club has stabilized and with the personal that is already in place now at the club, I feel that his job role is no longer required and it is time for him to move on.
Yes, that is what I meant.

You are better than that Sid.
Seems like I am I supposed to be a whiter than white saintly type of figure then !!

Fella, you are the Mother Theresa of the board, but maybe with better English.

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:05 am**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:00 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:59 am
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:48 am

Yes, that is what I meant.

You are better than that Sid.
Seems like I am I supposed to be a whiter than white saintly type of figure then !!
Fella, you are the Mother Theresa of the board, but maybe with better English.

I better put on my austere blue-trimmed white robe then !

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:47 am**

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:44 am
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:58 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:55 am

Silly comment, look to Tuffers if you want a cheer leader for Ling and Embleton.
I am not the biggest fan of Ling and definitely not a Cheer leader for Embleton and have stated that opinion many times on this forum.
Come on Sid, no need for insults.

If you really don’t respect Long’s contributions, time to say it and stop criticising those with the sense to have called it from day 1.
Insults, where was that then ? If you mean where I wrote ''Silly comment'' , well come on, that is very mild compared to many of the things said on this forum !
I have a balanced view on all things in life. I do not think that Embleton is any way the right person to be Manager of Leyton Orient and have said so many times. IMO, Ling ( as I have also stated many times ) initially did a good job in quickly getting players, manager and staff in when we had only a few kids on the books to represent us but now the club has stabilized and with the personal that is already in place now at the club, I feel that his job role is no longer required and it is time for him to move on.

So if Ling’s role was made redundant, who would deal with the contracts, the players agents, the scouting network, the academy etc, etc? I prefer a head coach and his team to coach and improve the individuals in the squad. Plus develop plans to win more games than we lose.

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:08 am**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:58 am
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:55 am
Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:05 pm

Fella, they will always have Sid and co. supporting their mistakes through thick and thin.

The blind leading the blind.
Silly comment, look to Tuffers if you want a cheer leader for Ling and Embleton.
I am not the biggest fan of Ling and definitely not a Cheer leader for Embleton and have stated that opinion many times on this forum.
Come on Sid, no need for insults.

If you really don’t respect Long’s contributions, time to say it and stop criticising those with the sense to have called it from day 1.

Would it not be fair to argue that if you called it from day one you've maybe got some negative bias if you thought it right from the very beginning?

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