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Orient as a club need to know their place in the food chain. Letting Koroma, Bonne and Ekpiteta all go so cheaply (the latter for free) just shows the lack of a long term plan when it comes to transfers

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:27 pm And another is Craig Clay. In the wrong set-up you wouldn't have him lacing your Jako boots in the National League North. Change the formation a bit and the players around him and in some of the games he looks like he's the new Iniesta.

Well he was certainly better in more of a free role than the defensive role that Cisse took up. I was impressed with both.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:11 pm Orient as a club need to know their place in the food chain. Letting Koroma, Bonne and Ekpiteta all go so cheaply (the latter for free) just shows the lack of a long term plan when it comes to transfers

Cannot agree. Both Koroma and Bonne both had release clauses in their contracts to encourage them to stay and help us get promotion. We got decent fees for both. Ekpiteta had contract offers from us but he refused to accept over many months. Nowadays a long term plan for players is 2 years.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:11 pm Orient as a club need to know their place in the food chain. Letting Koroma, Bonne and Ekpiteta all go so cheaply (the latter for free) just shows the lack of a long term plan when it comes to transfers

As DuvB says above Orient re-negotiated deals with Koroma and Bonne that would allow them to leave with a year left on their contracts, allowing us to get a fee for them it also allowed us their services for a promotion season so it was mutually beneficial. We never let Marv go, we offered him new contracts over a period of months that he chose to refuse them,run down his contract and left as he was entitled to do.

I think the club is well aware of their place in the food chain. As I have said before players largely call the shots when their contracts are expiring.

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:32 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:11 pm Orient as a club need to know their place in the food chain. Letting Koroma, Bonne and Ekpiteta all go so cheaply (the latter for free) just shows the lack of a long term plan when it comes to transfers

Cannot agree. Both Koroma and Bonne both had release clauses in their contracts to encourage them to stay and help us get promotion. We got decent fees for both. Ekpiteta had contract offers from us but he refused to accept over many months. Nowadays a long term plan for players is 2 years.

Proves my point completely.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:41 pm

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:32 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:11 pm Orient as a club need to know their place in the food chain. Letting Koroma, Bonne and Ekpiteta all go so cheaply (the latter for free) just shows the lack of a long term plan when it comes to transfers

Cannot agree. Both Koroma and Bonne both had release clauses in their contracts to encourage them to stay and help us get promotion. We got decent fees for both. Ekpiteta had contract offers from us but he refused to accept over many months. Nowadays a long term plan for players is 2 years.

Proves my point completely.

How would you have handled it differently?

Koroma could have walked away after we got relegated out of the football league but didn't, Bonne could have left after his first year and 20+ goals for the club but didn't.

Tell us what you would have done.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:19 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:41 pm

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:32 pm

Cannot agree. Both Koroma and Bonne both had release clauses in their contracts to encourage them to stay and help us get promotion. We got decent fees for both. Ekpiteta had contract offers from us but he refused to accept over many months. Nowadays a long term plan for players is 2 years.

Proves my point completely.

How would you have handled it differently?

Koroma could have walked away after we got relegated out of the football league but didn't, Bonne could have left after his first year and 20+ goals for the club but didn't.

Tell us what you would have done.

Why?

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:19 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:41 pm

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:32 pm

Cannot agree. Both Koroma and Bonne both had release clauses in their contracts to encourage them to stay and help us get promotion. We got decent fees for both. Ekpiteta had contract offers from us but he refused to accept over many months. Nowadays a long term plan for players is 2 years.

Proves my point completely.

How would you have handled it differently?

Koroma could have walked away after we got relegated out of the football league but didn't, Bonne could have left after his first year and 20+ goals for the club but didn't.

Tell us what you would have done.

Koroma was 20, he couldn’t just walk away.

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:46 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:19 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:41 pm
Proves my point completely.

How would you have handled it differently?

Koroma could have walked away after we got relegated out of the football league but didn't, Bonne could have left after his first year and 20+ goals for the club but didn't.

Tell us what you would have done.

Koroma was 20, he couldn’t just walk away.

He could. Because he was 20.meant we would get probably a tribunal fee for him but there was nothing to stop him leaving ,He could have taken the same route as porter and not signed, joined another club and we would have got a lot less for him than we did from Huddersfield.

So you agree, he couldnt just walk away, we would have received a fee from the club he went to.

Got to be honest, I’d have more faith in the tribunal committee negotiating a better deal than we can given the pittances we’ve received in recent years.

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:31 am So you agree, he couldnt just walk away, we would have received a fee from the club he went to.

Got to be honest, I’d have more faith in the tribunal committee negotiating a better deal than we can given the pittances we’ve received in recent years.

He could though, he could have walked away and had nothing more to do with the club (As Porter did when he went to Burnley) but we pursuaded Josh to re-sign otherwise it would have been a tribunal offer and they very rarely favour the selling club, more so when you have just been relegated to non league, If he hadn't signed a new contract Josh would have been in the same position as Sotiriou is now. Thats would not be the clubs fault it's the way the power transfers to the player when their contract expires. The club did well to secure him at that point.

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:27 pm And another is Craig Clay. In the wrong set-up you wouldn't have him lacing your Jako boots in the National League North. Change the formation a bit and the players around him and in some of the games he looks like he's the new Iniesta.

Another example of someone who could play anywhere from non league to League One is Ollie Palmer.

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RedO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:31 am So you agree, he couldnt just walk away, we would have received a fee from the club he went to.

Got to be honest, I’d have more faith in the tribunal committee negotiating a better deal than we can given the pittances we’ve received in recent years.

We didn’t get a pittance for Koroma. You are deluding yourself if you think we’d have got more from a tribunal.

I thought the sum was approx £750k

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:19 pm I thought the sum was approx £750k

My understanding the fee for Koroma was500k and 200k for Bonne with sell on clauses. Ekpiteta was out of contract and decided to persue a new adventure with a higher league side. Cannot blame him for that.

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:30 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:19 pm I thought the sum was approx £750k

My understanding the fee for Koroma was500k and 200k for Bonne with sell on clauses. Ekpiteta was out of contract and decided to persue a new adventure with a higher league side. Cannot blame him for that.

If those figures are accurate then I think we've done well. Out of interest how much have other strikers straight out of non league gone for?

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:43 pm

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:30 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:19 pm I thought the sum was approx £750k

My understanding the fee for Koroma was500k and 200k for Bonne with sell on clauses. Ekpiteta was out of contract and decided to persue a new adventure with a higher league side. Cannot blame him for that.

If those figures are accurate then I think we've done well. Out of interest how much have other strikers straight out of non league gone for?

There's a player who was at Barnet who's gone to Peterborough for up to a cool million apparantly although I'm not sure he was a striker even.

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:00 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:31 am So you agree, he couldnt just walk away, we would have received a fee from the club he went to.

Got to be honest, I’d have more faith in the tribunal committee negotiating a better deal than we can given the pittances we’ve received in recent years.

We didn’t get a pittance for Koroma. You are deluding yourself if you think we’d have got more from a tribunal.

How much did we get?

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:19 pm I thought the sum was approx £750k

x 750,000

kokomO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:15 pm

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:43 pm

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:30 pm

My understanding the fee for Koroma was500k and 200k for Bonne with sell on clauses. Ekpiteta was out of contract and decided to persue a new adventure with a higher league side. Cannot blame him for that.

If those figures are accurate then I think we've done well. Out of interest how much have other strikers straight out of non league gone for?

There's a player who was at Barnet who's gone to Peterborough for up to a cool million apparantly although I'm not sure he was a striker even.

Was it the striker we had? Colquist or something like that?

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:42 pm

kokomO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:15 pm

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:43 pm

If those figures are accurate then I think we've done well. Out of interest how much have other strikers straight out of non league gone for?

There's a player who was at Barnet who's gone to Peterborough for up to a cool million apparantly although I'm not sure he was a striker even.

Was it the striker we had? Colquist or something like that?

No, it was jack Taylor , midfielder, signed for peterborough for initial fee of £500k in Jan 2020 with add on's.

Koroma and Bonne were fair deals, their value to us was finishing the season and getting us promoted. Fees were reasonable given the situation. Ekpiteta situation is frustrating but even then we had 2 good seasons out of a player who cost us very little.

It's the academy that's a waste of time financially as even T&T admitted. Put in all the effort and get nothing in return.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:26 am Koroma and Bonne were fair deals, their value to us was finishing the season and getting us promoted. Fees were reasonable given the situation. Ekpiteta situation is frustrating but even then we had 2 good seasons out of a player who cost us very little.

It's the academy that's a waste of time financially as even T&T admitted. Put in all the effort and get nothing in return.

Ahh did you miss the bit where it pays for itself over a ten year life cycle. Listening to the talk I’d suggest that the plan is to reduce down the life cycle to a lower number say maybe three years or less making it more sustainable and a contribution to the income stream of the club. Look at Brentfords buy and sell policy, it’s just we’d do it with our own home grown players.

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:33 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:26 am Koroma and Bonne were fair deals, their value to us was finishing the season and getting us promoted. Fees were reasonable given the situation. Ekpiteta situation is frustrating but even then we had 2 good seasons out of a player who cost us very little.

It's the academy that's a waste of time financially as even T&T admitted. Put in all the effort and get nothing in return.

Ahh did you miss the bit where it pays for itself over a ten year life cycle. Listening to the talk I’d suggest that the plan is to reduce down the life cycle to a lower number say maybe three years or less making it more sustainable and a contribution to the income stream of the club. Look at Brentfords buy and sell policy, it’s just we’d do it with our own home grown players.

The same Brentford who got rid of their academy?

yes and like I said we'd do it with our own players. Rather than the brentford model to buy and sell others players who have yet to realise potential and sell on value, this punting whereas we'd be working with known players educated in the orient way.