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He means because you're expressing some views and opinions that are not in line with the left and the band of like-minded people on here, you must be someone who has posted on here before under a different username and have re-registered.

Primarily because some people cannot entertain the idea that others can respectfully disagree with them or hold alternative views.

Ahhhh I see - nah i'm new, but equally opinionated

Usually on Twitter, but keeping opinions to 140 characters is hard work, putting it into a memo to then screenshot is just effort, and then keyboard warriors on there seem to soil themselves and go quiet as soon as someone replies who has even a remote shred of intelligence

Not really a fan of abuse, but par for the course I suppose - I dont really wanna have a barney but happy to discuss our differing opinions

Personally, I don't really care if she comes back or not.
I'm prepared to put her "death to infidels" stance down to the impetuosity of youth.

Many of us went off on tangents when we were younger, which we probably regret. She was probably fed a load of stuff in a mosque about how horrific Britain was, and how Syria was the place to be. It seems clear she underwent some sort of grooming process.

Let's not forget that (in my opinion) any form of religious extremism is in effect a mental illness- it utterly defies logic.

She's decamped to Syria, realised it's an utter latrine and that the UK is okay really; and no doubt wants to come back and spawn some offspring.
I would imagine she is probably seeking a peaceful life now in the UK; albeit I could be wrong of course..

I think that the point being ignored is that a High Court Judge has said she should be allowed back so that her claim against loss of citizenship can be conducted fairly. Only after that will any other decision or action be taken.

Mikero

faldO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:10 pm He means because you're expressing some views and opinions that are not in line with the left and the band of like-minded people on here, you must be someone who has posted on here before under a different username and have re-registered.

Primarily because some people cannot entertain the idea that others can respectfully disagree with them or hold alternative views.

No, he means it’s someone posting under a new username

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:10 pm Her 'crimes' are against the British people, so it seems right, that the British people try her in a court of law in Britain.

Why have you written crimes like that?

Pretty sure she committed her crimes in Syria.

Jaggsy1979 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:57 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:25 pm

Jaggsy1979 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:34 am I do get what you're saying, and technically shes performed no crime, so yes theres merit based on that, but she left the country to join a terror organisation that has been involved in multiple attacks worldwide, and she chose to do that, so live with that choice

And to the other comment its not my first day, and to be honest not fishing for a response, just giving my opinion, which is kind of the point of a message board isnt it?

Welcome to the board Jaggsy, although I suspect not for the first time.

Thanks fella, but what do you mean not for the first time? I've not had an account on here before

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:35 am Well to flip it around a bit, who do you think SHOULD take her?

Mr Reaper hopefully.

Tom Chance wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:45 pm

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:35 am Well to flip it around a bit, who do you think SHOULD take her?

Mr Reaper hopefully.

You want a 20 year old woman to be dead?

Seriously?

*former groomed child

She was groomed as a child. She’s a British citizen.

Get her back, find out what she knows, put her on trial and let the courts decide if she has committed any crimes.

This isn’t difficult.

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:11 pm She was groomed as a child. She’s a British citizen.

Get her back, find out what she knows, put her on trial and let the courts decide if she has committed any crimes.

This isn’t difficult.

She'll probably know & tell, that Britain supplied
militaria to her side & the other side

Jaggsy1979 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:57 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:25 pm

Jaggsy1979 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:34 am I do get what you're saying, and technically shes performed no crime, so yes theres merit based on that, but she left the country to join a terror organisation that has been involved in multiple attacks worldwide, and she chose to do that, so live with that choice

And to the other comment its not my first day, and to be honest not fishing for a response, just giving my opinion, which is kind of the point of a message board isnt it?

Welcome to the board Jaggsy, although I suspect not for the first time.

Thanks fella, but what do you mean not for the first time? I've not had an account on here before

How has she managed to obtain legal aid in the UK without being here and not being a British Citizen anymore? There must be some powerful support behind this action to appeal.

Because we dont live under a dictatorship our government's decisions are open to legal challenge, and although cut to the bone there is still legal aid available for those that can't pay in some circumstances. Surely only the hardest of thinking would think it a good thing that someone could be stripped of their citizenship on the say so of a minister and without any challenge.

It's blindingly obvious the government have acted unlawfully, as Beradogs has already pointed out in his own way it's an easy win for a government that has alrwady shown it's willingness to act unlawfully to have the tabloids frothing about 'uman rights and outrageous legal aid bills.

I dont buy into the idea that there are any strategic geniuses at the heart of this government, it's all depressingly simple - to lie so often that challenging each lie becomes exhausting, to create division at every opportunity and to blame process and oversight for blocking their grand plans to help everyone. It's quite sweet really that even as they blatantly enrich themselves in the middle of a crisis people still think that their aim is to somehow help the average Joe.

Its a shame we cant get rid of her, i guess a short jail sentence and a life on benefits will have to do.

The govt are very simple yes but the lefties have fallen into their trap of supporting a terrorist.

If she plays it right she could do well out of all of this

Few years banged up......On release Channel 4 News puff piece about how she's been on a journey and Jon Snow fauning at her feet...... Followed up by a tour of The New Statesman, Sunday Mirror features etc..... Book Deal "The Schoolgirl - Shamima Begum my story"..... Inspirational speaking tour

As long as she throws in a "I'm doing all this for my child" every now and then that should negate the fact she joined a death cult that's raped thousands of women and beheaded British citizens

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:48 am If she plays it right she could do well out of all of this

Few years banged up......On release Channel 4 News puff piece about how she's been on a journey and Jon Snow fauning at her feet...... Followed up by a tour of The New Statesman, Sunday Mirror features etc..... Book Deal "The Schoolgirl - Shamima Begum my story"..... Inspirational speaking tour

She could collaborate with Greta on a joint tour.

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:51 am

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:48 am If she plays it right she could do well out of all of this

Few years banged up......On release Channel 4 News puff piece about how she's been on a journey and Jon Snow fauning at her feet...... Followed up by a tour of The New Statesman, Sunday Mirror features etc..... Book Deal "The Schoolgirl - Shamima Begum my story"..... Inspirational speaking tour

She could collaborate with Greta on a joint tour.

Think Greta's time is done, the pandemic has put paid to her career. By the time it's over and the economy has recovered to the point the upper middle class get bored and want a cause she'll be in her 20s and the novelty will have gone.

Seriously, tho....

The right thing to do is to drag her back here, even if for no other reason that it's just not cricket to leave other countries to do our dirty work.

The government are playing politics with her and, while we can despise her and what she stands for, this sets a dangerous precedent. None of us should be happy about that, even if we're not sympathetic to Shamima.

However, can we drop the sob-story bollocks and going on about how she was 'groomed'? That is absolutely disrespectful to real victims of grooming.

She was never sought out for manipulation, she sought it out herself. She liked what she saw so much that she was prepared to give up everything to embrace it. To enforce it, even. And the only reason she wants back in now is because ISIS was bombed to smithereens.

I listened to a few interviews with the news crew who originally found her in that refugee camp. As well as interviewing Shamima they also interviewed many of the other ISIS supporters there. I suggest you do the same, because the people who have actually spoken to Shamima and her cohorts are in no way fooled by her and are not exactly cheerleaders for her repatriation either. Think about why that may be.

Sure, she was/is young, and we can all argue that we've done stupid things when we were younger. But joining an extreme religious death cult that actively kills and sexually enslaves non-believers is not quite the same thing as dropping a couple of pills at a rave.

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:55 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:51 am

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:48 am If she plays it right she could do well out of all of this

Few years banged up......On release Channel 4 News puff piece about how she's been on a journey and Jon Snow fauning at her feet...... Followed up by a tour of The New Statesman, Sunday Mirror features etc..... Book Deal "The Schoolgirl - Shamima Begum my story"..... Inspirational speaking tour

She could collaborate with Greta on a joint tour.

Think Greta's time is done, the pandemic has put paid to her career. By the time it's over and the economy has recovered to the point the upper middle class get bored and want a cause she'll be in her 20s and the novelty will have gone.

Her publicity team have shown themselves to be very shrewd, so I wouldn't put it past them to throw a complete curve ball and go for broke. Perhaps her releasing a grime/drill track eschewing the virtues of mass consumption and neo-liberal capitalism? By then that may be retro-shtick, which definitely has it's audience.

Cultural appropriation though init and that would upset her core supporters

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:51 am

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:48 am If she plays it right she could do well out of all of this

Few years banged up......On release Channel 4 News puff piece about how she's been on a journey and Jon Snow fauning at her feet...... Followed up by a tour of The New Statesman, Sunday Mirror features etc..... Book Deal "The Schoolgirl - Shamima Begum my story"..... Inspirational speaking tour

She could collaborate with Greta on a joint tour.

Greta is an intelligent young lady who is supporting a good cause. As for Shamima Begum, well she brought into the evil cult of ISIS, the evils of what this death cult were doing was no secret and news of its barbaric slaughter and rape of those poor people had been broadcast all over the news media well before she and her two friends decided to join them. If she must come back, then a long stiff sentence in jail followed by strict monitoring for the rest of her life with no mobile phone or internet access allowed for her to use.