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Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:29 am
by Adz
My money is on 50% on the retained list being released at the end of next season
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:44 am
by Disoriented
Thoughts:
Thanks to everything Matt Harrold provided - a real clubman.
Janata - deserved a chance ahead of Grainger and to compare him to Sarge.
Gorman - never showed anything except the odd wild tackle.
Alabi - joke signing of the decade. Whoever scouted him also needs letting go.
Dayton - WTF. Has been injury prone and disappointing when fit.
Ling - how many years is he signed up for?
Judd - never been valued and should be let go.
Have to sign Marv and Ruel asap if possible.
Cisse - get him in.
Marsh - thanks and goodbye.
That is all
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:06 am
by Rich Tea Wellin
I think there’s something to be said for consistency that will improve us next season, as a squad. But still can’t see where there’s room to bring in enough players to mount a promotion push next year.
Unfortunately, signing extensions for players like coulson, ling and clay are not just bad decisions but have given us less options to bring in quality in those positions.
The strikers we will have season scored 16 goals BETWEEN them, on an average of 4 per player. We have to hope Ruel continues his ascent and score 20 otherwise it’s mid table again
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:42 am
by POSHO
One of the EFL's proposals is to have squads of 20 players including academy youngsters, although I'm not sure it would start next season. Anyway, if the 4 players in negotiation sign, I cant even see a signing except a loan now and again. I wonder if there are any academy players ready for professional contracts
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:20 am
by Disoriented
POSHO wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:42 am
One of the EFL's proposals is to have squads of 20 players including academy youngsters, although I'm not sure it would start next season. Anyway, if the 4 players in negotiation sign, I cant even see a signing except a loan now and again. I wonder if there are any academy players ready for professional contracts
We will never know. We will sell them for a few donut-making ingredients to allow them to star for someone else.
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:49 am
by LittleMate
Cheshunto wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:20 pm
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:43 pm
Squad looks bloated to me. Happy with the people we are having contract negotiations with but those contract extensions from the end of last season look awful to me. But there you go.
There’s already 24 players there which is a decent sized squad. Can’t see us adding more than 1 or 2, right?
I have no problem with the released players, but the squad looks a bit on the big side to me.
Much will depend on getting Cisse to sign for us along with Sotiriou.
I’d like to see Marsh come back and let Judd leave as I can’t see home getting many games.
Hopefully Marvin will agree a deal too.
In this new market players will NOT be leaving. They have nowhere to go. Judd will be here until the end of his contract, unless loaned out to help cover his cost, which i can't see happening.
There will be some clubs that have a lot of players out of contract this summer. The cute ones will use this period wisely to pick up a few bargains at relatively cheap prices to what they would have paid 3 months ago. We actually don't have a lot of flexibility because of our existing squad size. If we manage to get Cisse back in as well as retaining the one's negotiating then I think that's business concluded - unless prem's start loaning younger players out for free. This could happen, because not many clubs can afford the extra wages of another player.
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:07 am
by point nine one eight
Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:44 am
Thoughts:
Thanks to everything Matt Harrold provided - a real clubman.
Janata - deserved a chance ahead of Grainger and to compare him to Sarge.
Gorman - never showed anything except the odd wild tackle.
Alabi - joke signing of the decade. Whoever scouted him also needs letting go.
Dayton - WTF. Has been injury prone and disappointing when fit.
Ling - how many years is he signed up for?
Judd - never been valued and should be let go.
Have to sign Marv and Ruel asap if possible.
Cisse - get him in.
Marsh - thanks and goodbye.
That is all
Good post Dis, agree with most especially the Alabi thoughts
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:13 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:44 pm
kokomO wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:45 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:38 pm
I was hoping we’d offer them both new contracts. Cisse made a big difference to our central midfield and Marsh has proven himself to be a better RB than both Ling and Judd put together
Eh, they were both on loan to us, they’re not our players..
I believe Cisse is now out of contract at Gillingham so now he's a free agent . With Marsh , who knows but I would be happy to see him back in an Orient shirt .
Cisse may be out of contract, but he's still Gillingham's player for now. Would love it if we went all in to sign him, but as others have said the bloated squad with an embarrassment of mediocre equals will make that tough even without the loss of revenue that we're impacted by at present.
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:32 am
by Sid Bishop
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:13 am
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:44 pm
kokomO wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:45 pm
Eh, they were both on loan to us, they’re not our players..
I believe Cisse is now out of contract at Gillingham so now he's a free agent . With Marsh , who knows but I would be happy to see him back in an Orient shirt .
Cisse may be out of contract, but he's still Gillingham's player for now. Would love it if we went all in to sign him, but as others have said the bloated squad with an embarrassment of mediocre equals will make that tough even without the loss of revenue that we're impacted by at present.
Yes agree with all that. A mediocre and bloated squad with a very average midfield that would be improved a lot if we could manage to sign Cisse. Also a big bonus if we can get Ruel to stay at the club, would also like to see Marvin stay.
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:34 am
by Sid Bishop
Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:44 am
Thoughts:
Thanks to everything Matt Harrold provided - a real clubman.
Janata - deserved a chance ahead of Grainger and to compare him to Sarge.
Gorman - never showed anything except the odd wild tackle.
Alabi - joke signing of the decade. Whoever scouted him also needs letting go.
Dayton - WTF. Has been injury prone and disappointing when fit.
Ling - how many years is he signed up for?
Judd - never been valued and should be let go.
Have to sign Marv and Ruel asap if possible.
Cisse - get him in.
Marsh - thanks and goodbye.
That is all
A very good summing up by @Disoriented !
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:48 am
by DuvB
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:34 am
Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:44 am
Thoughts:
Thanks to everything Matt Harrold provided - a real clubman.
Janata - deserved a chance ahead of Grainger and to compare him to Sarge.
Gorman - never showed anything except the odd wild tackle.
Alabi - joke signing of the decade. Whoever scouted him also needs letting go.
Dayton - WTF. Has been injury prone and disappointing when fit.
Ling - how many years is he signed up for?
Judd - never been valued and should be let go.
Have to sign Marv and Ruel asap if possible.
Cisse - get him in.
Marsh - thanks and goodbye.
That is all
A very good summing up by @Disoriented !
I agree that Alabi was not as good as hoped for BUT his goals did assist us in winning the league and I will never forget that tackle away to Salford.
What worries me is our non-scoring forward line - Sotiriou apart
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:49 am
by Constanza
Going to miss Sterling.
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:52 am
by Constanza
When is Admin releasing the Boarders Retained List. I am considering offers from the other Orient message board and The Fall Online.
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:52 am
by DuvB
Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:15 am
Squad of 24 but 4 are youngsters and Jobi may only be a player/Coach. Of course Brill no longer plays so, including loans, our squad has reduced by 8, maybe 12 if contract negotiations fail. A little room for the odd addition, money permitting.
Our chances of keeping Ekpiteta and Sortiriou will have improved, I’m sure there will be plenty of players looking for clubs. Won’t be that easy for them right now in what will be a buyers market.
Dayton had a 1 year deal with an additional 1 year extension option. Don’t know the details of the extension option, maybe his choice.
What I do hope is that our squad work hard on fitness and players have used their time to recover from knocks. Though with reduced contact working with a physio will be difficult over FaceTime. I felt we seemed off the pace last season following the step up.
Given the current situation I think we are in OK shape. Another season of consolidation.
I just wonder where the goals will come from without Sotiriou. Wlikinson? No. Angol? No. Dennis? No. Johnson? Taps in, maybe. We must get in a younger version of Harrold or we will struggle. One of the above needs to play alongside this new guy.
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:28 am
by RedDwarf 1881
DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:52 am
Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:15 am
Squad of 24 but 4 are youngsters and Jobi may only be a player/Coach. Of course Brill no longer plays so, including loans, our squad has reduced by 8, maybe 12 if contract negotiations fail. A little room for the odd addition, money permitting.
Our chances of keeping Ekpiteta and Sortiriou will have improved, I’m sure there will be plenty of players looking for clubs. Won’t be that easy for them right now in what will be a buyers market.
Dayton had a 1 year deal with an additional 1 year extension option. Don’t know the details of the extension option, maybe his choice.
What I do hope is that our squad work hard on fitness and players have used their time to recover from knocks. Though with reduced contact working with a physio will be difficult over FaceTime. I felt we seemed off the pace last season following the step up.
Given the current situation I think we are in OK shape. Another season of consolidation.
I just wonder where the goals will come from without Sotiriou. Wlikinson? No. Angol? No. Dennis? No. Johnson? Taps in, maybe. We must get in a younger version of Harrold or we will struggle. One of the above needs to play alongside this new guy.
All of the above strikers are more than capable of scoring us the goals necessary for a good season. Our real problem is the lack of service we give them and the way we play them .
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:38 am
by POSHO
Big season for Dennis, if he stays. I can see him moving on
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:10 pm
by EliotNes
Sorry that we couldn't sign Cisse permanently. Apart from that, it's a pretty predictable list.
IMO we have the players to challenge for a top 3 place, if they all perform as they are capable of doing. Its the man (manager) management I have a concern about, will RE be able to get the best out of this bunch?
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:19 pm
by Bergen
Cisse hasn`t been released by Gillingham yet. Let`s wait and see.
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:23 pm
by POSHO
For me its interesting that we are still in negotiations with Ekpiteta and Sotiriou. It's been going on for months. I wonder that in this current climate it's better the devil you know. I would have thought that we have given them a strict deadline and that there is a good chance that they will sign
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:36 pm
by gshaw
The squad looks relegation fodder at present. Very light on strikers, powderpuff CM and two weak RBs that were leaking goals for fun before Marsh got moved there.
Simply have to keep Sotiriou or can't see where any goals will come from. Angol looks fed up and disinterested, Wilkinson identifies as a winger and jury is out on Johnson.
Too many NL players in there, which is an even bigger problem now in the context of reduced budgets. Another season of survival battle ahead I reckon unless T&T pull some rabbits out the hat with funding for signings.
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:58 pm
by HeyO
Sad but true.
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:17 pm
by Adz
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:38 pm
by ComeOnYouOs
Shame about Harrold. I've always liked the fella, but I suppose his time had come.
Alabi in reality, went months ago. He'll struggle in the current climate to get employment again.
Ruel is very important. He'll be worth a million this time next year, he could go all the way to the top.
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:39 pm
by Smendrick Feaselberg
We'll no doubt have people fixating on Ibehre Jabo.
Re: Retained list
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:10 pm
by DonaldRocks
I think Gorman would have the potential to become a very good player but he needed regular game time. Obviously, he wasn't going to come back after heading to Newport. The verdict is still out for many of those on the squad but as this is a very uncertain period and because of the times we are in, I'm not going to be overharsh.