Tory Watch

[Thor]

Really? Name one?

Waltham Forest
Hackney
Newham


How about those three? All useless, all crap and full of socialist nonsense. I’m a Walthamstow boy and I’m ashamed of what it has become, with each passing year it just gets worse there. Hackney, is where I started life and where my grandparents were until their deaths and again it’s a dump and just gets worse with each passing year. Newham, well the only solution there is nuclear. Need I go on?

Now compare it to where I live now, we have the best schools in London, we have the most open and green spaces, we have the best recycling rates, our streets are swept weekly, we have the lowest crime rate, employment is the highest in London. I could go on and on, but it’s all under a conservative council. The difference between Labour and Conservative is like night and day. This is national politics it’s local and I’ve found that the Torres work best for the people.

Do you think there are any differences between these Boroughs and your leafy paradise in terms of what the priorities are for spending?

Max, the same priorities exist in all boroughs nothing changes. So for me and I’d argue for most people they are and in no particular order.

Schools
Public Transport
Housing
Law and Order
Frontline Services, rubbish, recycling etc.
Accessible Public spaces, libraries, parks etc.

Now I’m not sure why one borough can provide a good level of education and another can’t? Still within my own borough we have bad schools as well as excellent ones, it’s the overall standard that needs to improve across the whole country. Schools unlock the future potential of our children and it’s vitally important that the kids get a good education, now unfortunately there are parents who don’t care what happens and that’s a wider society issue that has never been resolved and without taking responsibility for your own children I’m not sure how it will change. Public transport is vital to getting around, and it’s important to reduce the effect of cars on the road, but it should not price people out of it and I fear that’s where we are heading as we have the most expensive public transport in Europe I believe.

Housing, now Tuffets bleated on about my property price going down and making it more affordable. I was not complaining just stating a fact, an asset is only realised when you sell it and right now it’s value is lower than a year ago. Where I live my property is higher than a year ago. I got off my arse and went to work after having an ok education, it could have been better. I have never stood with my hand out, I got my head down worked hard and worked my way up the organisations I worked in. No one gave me anything and I never asked either. Too many people think the world owes them a living it doesn’t, people need to aspire to be better, to try to improve themselves and do the best they can. I do believe that social housing should be at the heart of the community and maybe it’s now returning after government gave the green light to councils to build once more. But let’s be real here, I would never have been allowed to be given a council place as I worked for a living, wasn’t a women or girl who got themselves deliberately pregnant to get a flat, we all know people who’ve done it. That’s where it’s wrong, just as an example there are plenty of others.

Law and order is important in the local communities and goes hand in hand with schooling as a lot of the people who don’t care or failed seem to end up facing the law. It is this what needs to stop and again if we can get the schooling right, give the kids opportunities to succeed then the future suddenly looks brighter for them.

Frontline services, I personally don’t think they should be outsourced, and should be in house, but it is what it is. Too many people on the take for my liking, but there you are. My streets are clean like I said so I’m not sure why other boroughs can do the same. That's just an example.

So Max, all boroughs face the same issues, yet some can handle them better than others, maybe the workforce isn’t as skilled in one council to another? If that’s the case get rid of them and get better people in. Yes I’m aware central government grants are reducing and I’m not sure that’s right either, but it’s the same for everyone. Maybe the council in one borough doesn’t spend the pound as well as another? No one ever seems to question it, I know I don’t, but are we getting value for money? I don’t know that’s for sure.

[slacker]

You may just have a competent, efficient council, Thor (or Councils, as some of the services you list are provided at the County/Metropolitan level). In which case I’m pleased for you.

All local Councils have seen central Govt funding slashed, but some more than others, and it seems a political decision to me which ones (generally the poorer ones with less chance of making up cuts by taxing locals through the rates or other fees).
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/s ... d-it-shows

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Where are you Thor?

[Max B Gold]

Where are you Thor?

Up his own smug arse with posts like that. He left off social services and community care from his list. Both areas of significant expenditure and the amounts spent by council's will differ depending on the social composition of the people who live there.

[Disoriented]

Where are you Thor?

Up his own smug arse with posts like that. He left off social services and community care from his list. Both areas of significant expenditure and the amounts spent by council's will differ depending on the social composition of the people who live there.

Good to see a return to the normal agenda, rather than whistleblowing to get boarders banned.

Keep up the stirling work.

[tuffers#1]

House prices are dropping month on month, trust me I follow property very closely. I still own property there and am renovating one at present. From its high value it’s down approx £100k.

The high street is a mere reflection of what it once was. James St is a dump of an area now, you can’t get around anywhere as all the back roads have been blocked off in their stupid little Holland project. You can’t park anywhere as it’s permits only, hardly a way to bring people into the area. How many stabbing and shootings in the last year? Big drug problem in the area as well. There’s what 17 confirmed gangs in Walthamstow!! Really, wow.

Yes I can see that the demographic is changing and the hipsters are moving in, maybe the tide is turning, well at least I hope it is. The street where my house is has been cleaned once in a year and that was by the residents with the road closed off. Like I said above my street is cleaned every week, Road sweepers clean the roads, the grass verges are cut, it’s proper looked after which is reflected by the type of people who live here, it stays clean.

If my council can do it, then why can’t labour run ones do the same?

Poppycock Thor

3 bed house on Eden road ( tiny houses ) £ 895,000. - I’ve seen that one and it hasn’t sold yet and a year ago it would probably have cleared a million.

No more stabbings in e17 than there was in the 80s 90s - mostly disputes were sorted by deists, but yes stabbing did occur.
Dont know if you.remember the murder outside of the rising sun - yes
Or the one outside mcCanns wine bar ( whipps cross wine bar) - yes
or the murder outside of mountjoys on markhouse road. - don’t remember

The market is the best its been since M&S left it & selbourne walk opened .- don’t agree
Stalls are being properly regulated with the 5 stall rule again as it used to be till the mid 90s - maybe so but there’s probably less than half of what there used to be and most now just sell crap and toot. ,

I got my 1st "bit of gear" ( lebanese ) down the market when i was 18
Whilst working down there. - I guess you’re talking drugs? If it’s food, nice one I ate my first experience of their food in Santa Barbara around a flame pit and very nice it was too.

Shops were getting done down there so often insurers were starting to refuse insurance policies. - its was a sign of the times, ram raiding, but things move on and now counterfeit goods are all the rage or cyber crime, it’s still there just concentrated on something else.

Mini Holland is great , keeps all the tourists away & boosts public transport & my lungs havent felt so clean in years& i smoke to. But it harms business which brings employment and taxes, there’s lots of complaints from them.

CPZ's have been in E17 since 1985 at least , our house was one of the first with permits. - they were promised to be free, never to be charged, granted its helped with parking so that’s a bonus, but you can’t park cos your not in that particular zone. Again it harms business cos you can’t stop.

James street was always a sh*thole. - not exactly true, but maybe

Gangs .
Markhouse road
Hoe street &
Wood street
Used to be a time people from certain pubs would visit pubs on any of the other 2 main roads for gang trouble - the visits from one pub to another was not gang related ever, I know cos I used to drink in them, they were to sort out differences between people, the type of people that don’t back down. Never gang related. Now Hoe St has the Somalian grug gangs openly peddling their trade, the Albainians drove them out of James St. that’s not what I want to see ever.

Remember the little alley way by the central

In the 80s it was known by locals as muggers alley
Not any more. - I don’t remember that and I used to walk through it often, maybe I was lucky?

Last of all the night the guns came out in the brewery tap - top pub that back in the day, used to love drinking in there, if you were an outsider then maybe you’d have a problem, but they looked after there own.
The day the guns came out down the high street to stop the steamers walking into shops by gangs with knives - don’t remember that, but that’s not to say it did t happen.
The day the guns came out during the race riots .- yeah sad time that was, I was proper scared when all that was going down and I’m talking Broadwater farm time as that was spreading like wildfire.


This rose tinted glasses b*ll*cks certainly isnt Walthamstow. - I can say I walked those streets every day, going to school I had to get a train and bus and never once did I get in a fight, maybe cos I was well known, I don’t know. Drugs were around, but not like now where you get asked if you want any and they get Annoyed when you say no. The streets were safer than they are now, cleaner too. The high st was buzzing now I see a sh*t hole. I hope it recovers and I do believe it will in time. The hipsters are moving in, lots of properties are being renovated and extensions and loft conversions are being done. The major minus is jobs and companies leaving the area, that’s a major downside.

The streets were safer because plod was visible.
Not like under a Tory party desperate to save money
By continually slashing police budgets.

Hipsters
Affluent peoele with decent jobs so they are hipsters.

Why do you think all the buisnesses close down or moved out ?

Certainly wasnt because of socialism ( your pet hate )
Hoe will the high street recover ?

Internet trade ?

You cant be that well known
Ive never heard of you.

[tuffers#1]

P.S i bleated on about house prices making them more affordable ?

Did i F*ck .

I merely pointed out the price of a very small hoise in eden road was 100k under a million quid.

Hardly affordable you smug cretin.

All your bilge on what is needed to sort stuff out ie schools parks etc is all as a result of Conservative party policy .

[Thor]

Where are you Thor?

Up his own smug arse with posts like that. He left off social services and community care from his list. Both areas of significant expenditure and the amounts spent by council's will differ depending on the social composition of the people who live there.

Don't think so Max. Yeah they matter to me greatly as I recognise more than most what they do. I don't agree with government policy on either matter and I don't agree with the cuts and or under funding that is going on within council budgets. One of the ideas I have floating around and I've only done some groundwork (no detail fleshed out) so far is to open up a facility to help people with mental health issues, a support centre / network place where people can go, be supported and given the right advice and given or helped to get the right treatment that they may require. I have zero skills or experience in this respect, but both my youngers brothers had issues with mental health and neither is with us today. I want to make a difference. As soon as I'm finished with my renovation project I'll be back out talking to councils, looking for a suitable property with which to start with. I have found a 40 bed ex care home that got closed down due to poor management and I'll be revisiting that and seeing what can be done in conjunction with the local council. So please dont think I don't care I do and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is, to try to make a difference.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Nice little profit to be made there mate, if you can squeeze a few quid out of the council to fund your property acquisitions

[Max B Gold]

Where are you Thor?

Up his own smug arse with posts like that. He left off social services and community care from his list. Both areas of significant expenditure and the amounts spent by council's will differ depending on the social composition of the people who live there.

Don't think so Max. Yeah they matter to me greatly as I recognise more than most what they do. I don't agree with government policy on either matter and I don't agree with the cuts and or under funding that is going on within council budgets. One of the ideas I have floating around and I've only done some groundwork (no detail fleshed out) so far is to open up a facility to help people with mental health issues, a support centre / network place where people can go, be supported and given the right advice and given or helped to get the right treatment that they may require. I have zero skills or experience in this respect, but both my youngers brothers had issues with mental health and neither is with us today. I want to make a difference. As soon as I'm finished with my renovation project I'll be back out talking to councils, looking for a suitable property with which to start with. I have found a 40 bed ex care home that got closed down due to poor management and I'll be revisiting that and seeing what can be done in conjunction with the local council. So please dont think I don't care I do and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is, to try to make a difference.

Will you be looking to make a profit from your venture?

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Mate, YSL undercrackers don’t come for free.

[Thor]

Max I'm sure at some point a profit would be made, but I would just reinvest that back and try to help even more people. How much money do you need? That's the point I'm at and I think I can reach out and help people in need. It's not about the money for me, trust me on that.

I'm not happy with the Police cuts, I'm not happy with social care, im not happy with a lot of things this government is doing. If you knew me, what I've been through and when I am today you'd know its for real. I want to make an difference, i want to help people and I'm going to do it the right way and in an ethical manner.

Another one i care about is Dementia and I've seen the care at first hand, I've seen the staff struggling cos they are under staffed, under paid sometimes under motivated and certainly respected by the company they work for. I know I could do it better, not better than the professionals working there on a day to day basis, but as an owner trying to make it better for the workers and in turn ultimately the people who live there. I know what I'd want for my family, so I'm sure most people would want the same, but the owners are about cutting costs, cutting this that and the other. I'd do it differently and better thinking about the people in the care home first.

[Disoriented]

Max I'm sure at some point a profit would be made, but I would just reinvest that back and try to help even more people. How much money do you need? That's the point I'm at and I think I can reach out and help people in need. It's not about the money for me, trust me on that.

I'm not happy with the Police cuts, I'm not happy with social care, im not happy with a lot of things this government is doing. If you knew me, what I've been through and when I am today you'd know its for real. I want to make an difference, i want to help people and I'm going to do it the right way and in an ethical manner.

Another one i care about is Dementia and I've seen the care at first hand, I've seen the staff struggling cos they are under staffed, under paid sometimes under motivated and certainly respected by the company they work for. I know I could do it better, not better than the professionals working there on a day to day basis, but as an owner trying to make it better for the workers and in turn ultimately the people who live there. I know what I'd want for my family, so I'm sure most people would want the same, but the owners are about cutting costs, cutting this that and the other. I'd do it differently and better thinking about the people in the care home first.

That is very thoughtful of you. The elderly in the care homes may even get bunged some custard creams.

Sounds very fair.

[Thor]

And a blue rinse every Friday.

[tuffers#1]

Where are you Thor?

Up his own smug arse with posts like that. He left off social services and community care from his list. Both areas of significant expenditure and the amounts spent by council's will differ depending on the social composition of the people who live there.

Don't think so Max. Yeah they matter to me greatly as I recognise more than most what they do. I don't agree with government policy on either matter and I don't agree with the cuts and or under funding that is going on within council budgets. One of the ideas I have floating around and I've only done some groundwork (no detail fleshed out) so far is to open up a facility to help people with mental health issues, a support centre / network place where people can go, be supported and given the right advice and given or helped to get the right treatment that they may require. I have zero skills or experience in this respect, but both my youngers brothers had issues with mental health and neither is with us today. I want to make a difference. As soon as I'm finished with my renovation project I'll be back out talking to councils, looking for a suitable property with which to start with. I have found a 40 bed ex care home that got closed down due to poor management and I'll be revisiting that and seeing what can be done in conjunction with the local council. So please dont think I don't care I do and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is, to try to make a difference.

Maybe you should just get in contact with MAYTREE.

Basically a place of solace where people who are having problems can go for support.

[Disoriented]

And a blue rinse every Friday.

Double the value.

[Mikero]

The supposition that because an authority has a Labour led council its education system is somehow deficient is interesting but not really supported in fact. It does not explain why the North Kent boroughs which, until Thursday, solidly Tory run have some of the worst performing compehensive schools in the country. A better explaination is that for doctrinaire political reasons they did not close the local grammer schools as much of the rest of the county did. What that has done is lowered the asperations of several generation of parents, each of which have lowered the asperations of their children. This has led, in turnto a bewildered Kent CC leader bemoaning the fact that "the parents don't seem to interested in what their children do at school" when they had a drive to lift results. Didn't have far to look.

In the past Labour councils were wont to give their schools and colleges extra money from council house rent surpluses, that is until a Tory government banned the practice and forced them to sell off homes at well below market value.

Mikero

[Thor]

Up his own smug arse with posts like that. He left off social services and community care from his list. Both areas of significant expenditure and the amounts spent by council's will differ depending on the social composition of the people who live there.

Don't think so Max. Yeah they matter to me greatly as I recognise more than most what they do. I don't agree with government policy on either matter and I don't agree with the cuts and or under funding that is going on within council budgets. One of the ideas I have floating around and I've only done some groundwork (no detail fleshed out) so far is to open up a facility to help people with mental health issues, a support centre / network place where people can go, be supported and given the right advice and given or helped to get the right treatment that they may require. I have zero skills or experience in this respect, but both my youngers brothers had issues with mental health and neither is with us today. I want to make a difference. As soon as I'm finished with my renovation project I'll be back out talking to councils, looking for a suitable property with which to start with. I have found a 40 bed ex care home that got closed down due to poor management and I'll be revisiting that and seeing what can be done in conjunction with the local council. So please dont think I don't care I do and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is, to try to make a difference.

Maybe you should just get in contact with MAYTREE.

Basically a place of solace where people who are having problems can go for support.

Thank you, whilst I have never heard of them I’ve looked them up now and will look into it further.

I’ve seen at first hand how hard it can be to get support, the right support. Not for me, but my brother, I went everywhere with him to get help in Waltham Forest (he never left) funny enough and it was a struggle I can tell you. I saw so many things, people really needing help and support and not getting it, the dreaded word of funding and people playing the system. It’s really scary. I was in a unit with my brother and a man I used to coach at football many years ago was there and I said why you here, he had a drink and drug problem, had beaten them and had just completed the work to become a councillor, now that’s a positive from what was a negative.

The way I see it is that government has kind of given up on these people, society to a lesser degree, when all they need is support, rehab, focus and a direction when they come out of it. If the dots can be joined up then we can improve things.

I’ve taken kids out of gangs and got them into football, into college and finally to get a job, it can be done, it just needs people, money and time, all are short of supply unfortunately.

[Max B Gold]

Cheers for that Jeremy Thorbyn.

[tuffers#1]

I know Maytree would love to do more but are very limited with funding, as i think they are a charitable organisation.

[slacker]

Oh, goodee. With May being pressed on her departure date, Boris Johnson is typically first to blunder in to announce he’ll be standing to replace her. I expect they’ll recover from the thrashing they will get at the polls next week as the angry gammons all vote Farridge but it’s by no means a given.

[Mikero]

Rory Stewart had already stated his wish to be leader, but he did it more quietly as he is a diplomat.

Tory stooge on the Daily Politics:- Question "Isn't the Tory party finished ?" Answer "No, look, we will have had the last three prime ministers" Yeh only because two have been driven out by the right wing and the other wont last past the next election.

Mikero

[BoniO]

Boris as leader might be a good thing, a latter day equivalent to the broadside of torpedoes given to the sinking Bismarck.

[Mikero]

Political nous of a welk.

Mikero

[one o in huntingdon]

Oh, goodee. With May being pressed on her departure date, Boris Johnson is typically first to blunder in to announce he’ll be standing to replace her. I expect they’ll recover from the thrashing they will get at the polls next week as the angry gammons all vote Farridge but it’s by no means a given.

Every time I see gammon mentioned I think of that lying b*stard IDS, he should be their poster old git.
Putting aside the politics of voting to leave the EU, surely the raving lunatics supporting it should make anyone think twice.