Johnson out by xmas

[banqo]

No I don't need to investigate it as you say, i have a cousin who's lived in Spain for the last 14 years & an Uncle who lives in France for the last 20 years & they keep me updated with true events what are ACTUALLY happening in their countries & not through our media & what they choose to write.
And from the stuff their both telling me it's not all rosy & everything going smoothly in those countries either.
But your Kuenssbergs & your PESTons of the media only choose to point out the good points for comparison.. conveniently.
Do they report that in Spain when a majority of patients in a care home have the virus the carers pull themselves out lock the door behind them & let them all die together? Well you know the answer otherwise you would of heard about it but oh no wonky mouth Kuenssberg wont compare that will she & thars just one of MANY stories I'm being.
All I'm saying as I'm not defending Boris is it's not easy out there & yes he is making some mistakes but then on a majority of issues he's taking scientific advise & if Corbyn was standing up there he would be doing the same.
So don't patronise me about head in the sand as my family doesn't make this up.

Spot on, North Side. And as for Clownsberg, Peston and all, the least said the better.

They have changed from Brexit knocking to Coronavirus knocking, never any positive suggestions just, ''ohh now IF you had done this and IF you had done that'' Blah Blah Blah !!

As I've said on twitter, I never knew there were so many professors and scientists in this country. Even more amazing is they've only just surfaced during the Pandemic. If only we had them come to the fore sooner!

[Mikero]

I think many signs were there early on in the pandemic and were ignored. Australia and New Zealand shut their borders very quickly, only letting their own people back in and quarantining them. We and most of Europe were slower to react when it became clear what was going to happen. We were then slow in shutting down activities involving crowds. The Cheltenham Festival was allowed to continue as was the Euro match at Anfield and the visit of several thousand Italian fans. There was also a large concert that went ahead in Cardiff. At the same time The Irish government had closed most large gatherings down, they must have been well pleased to see the thousands of Irish punters coming back from Cheltenham.

The pictures of the care homes in Spain were disturbing to everybody and should have rung alarm bells in our government, yet we find that the advice to hospitals at the time was to dump Covid patients back into care homes without testing them first. In Germany no patient coming out of hospital was sent back into a care home without being quarantined first.

As I have pointed out in another thread National back-up stocks of PPE were mostly beyond their sell buy dates, some by a decade. All that had been changed was the use-by labels had been re-dated. Much of this is only now turning up in the care sector. They appeared mesmerised by the likes of Dyson and the Formula One teams when the stock of ventilators was seen as a problem, when there were many smaller precision engineering companies, a sector that has always been seen as one of our great strengths, volunteering their services and getting ignored. The same happened with the textile and clothing industry, easy to turn onto making PPE yet the Government buy junk from Turkey and because of the very poor distribution and the NHS taking priority, many care homes were relying on masks hand made in the community and face shields made by school kids on 3D printers.

Then there is the can of worms that is testing. It is reported today that there have been no Covid deaths in care homes in both South Korea and Hong Cong. This is what proper testing can do for your population, ours has been abysmal from the start. I do not intend to go through the litany of problems, many of them own goals, as it would take too long, but now we find that when 100,000 a day is now being reached 25% of the results are wrong.

None of this is political it is factual, save to say that a decade of cuts to the Civil Service, NHS, Local Authorities and the Care Sector can't have helped can they?

Mikero

[Max B Gold]

Spot on, North Side. And as for Clownsberg, Peston and all, the least said the better.

They have changed from Brexit knocking to Coronavirus knocking, never any positive suggestions just, ''ohh now IF you had done this and IF you had done that'' Blah Blah Blah !!

As I've said on twitter, I never knew there were so many professors and scientists in this country. Even more amazing is they've only just surfaced during the Pandemic. If only we had them come to the fore sooner!

They're not professors of science. They have just taken the time to listen to science professors who are experts in the field with proper track records and not the behavioural scientists and propagandists the govt has been guided by.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

He's not going anywhere.

Unless under his own volition, of course, after he realises he will need to actually do some work in this role.

[Adz]

No I don't need to investigate it as you say, i have a cousin who's lived in Spain for the last 14 years & an Uncle who lives in France for the last 20 years & they keep me updated with true events what are ACTUALLY happening in their countries & not through our media & what they choose to write.
And from the stuff their both telling me it's not all rosy & everything going smoothly in those countries either.
But your Kuenssbergs & your PESTons of the media only choose to point out the good points for comparison.. conveniently.
Do they report that in Spain when a majority of patients in a care home have the virus the carers pull themselves out lock the door behind them & let them all die together? Well you know the answer otherwise you would of heard about it but oh no wonky mouth Kuenssberg wont compare that will she & thars just one of MANY stories I'm being.
All I'm saying as I'm not defending Boris is it's not easy out there & yes he is making some mistakes but then on a majority of issues he's taking scientific advise & if Corbyn was standing up there he would be doing the same.
So don't patronise me about head in the sand as my family doesn't make this up.

That's 3 countries out of literally hundreds in the world. All you have to do is look at the who numbers to see the vast majority of leaders have done a decent job.

[Mikero]

But they did put spies in the meetings Maxie, you can see how that was going to turn out. Nine out of ten of the scientists argee, one has other ideas. Spy goes back to Boris and says "ignore them the other guy is on our side". These advisory groups are only as good as the politicians ability to act on the advice.

The Pandemic Model now being used by the White House was created by economists because Trump has given up on medical scientists, it predicted there would be no further deaths after the 23rd of May so its going well.

Mikero

[Adz]

Spot on, North Side. And as for Clownsberg, Peston and all, the least said the better.

They have changed from Brexit knocking to Coronavirus knocking, never any positive suggestions just, ''ohh now IF you had done this and IF you had done that'' Blah Blah Blah !!

As I've said on twitter, I never knew there were so many professors and scientists in this country. Even more amazing is they've only just surfaced during the Pandemic. If only we had them come to the fore sooner!

I assume you don't pass judgement on the football then, not being a professional player or coach and all

[Dohnut]

Sean O'Grady of the Independent !
The same guy who predicted that labour would WIN the last election !
Yet another of this constant stream of similar so called ''News Reports'' posted on Yahoo from the Independent and Guardian that are constantly anti Brexit, pro labour Party and anti Conservative Party.
Here is another one by that Labour Dinosaur, Polly Toynbee !
How can Britain trust this floundering crew of fibbers to tackle coronavirus ?
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/britain-trust ... 38907.html

Yeah, but she is right, Sid.

Surely you are not going to start defending the government’s handling of the crisis!

Never been a fan of Toynbee ever since she ratted on Labour to join the SDP. That said I believe she has hit the nail bang on the head with this article.

Boris IS utterly incompetent. I don't see how anyone can deny that.

As for the support for the Tory scum in the polls being perplexing - it's not the polls are fixed.

So how did they fix the GE? Who was the alternative to Boris back then? As they say, in the land of the blind the one eye man is king.

[Max B Gold]

Yeah, but she is right, Sid.

Surely you are not going to start defending the government’s handling of the crisis!

Never been a fan of Toynbee ever since she ratted on Labour to join the SDP. That said I believe she has hit the nail bang on the head with this article.

Boris IS utterly incompetent. I don't see how anyone can deny that.

As for the support for the Tory scum in the polls being perplexing - it's not the polls are fixed.

So how did they fix the GE? Who was the alternative to Boris back then? As they say, in the land of the blind the one eye man is king.

Same way every other GE is fixed, biased media, fixed opinion polls, gerrymandering, lying politicians, stupid electorate etc, etc

[Winchesterfan]

Never been a fan of Toynbee ever since she ratted on Labour to join the SDP. That said I believe she has hit the nail bang on the head with this article.

Boris IS utterly incompetent. I don't see how anyone can deny that.

As for the support for the Tory scum in the polls being perplexing - it's not the polls are fixed.

So how did they fix the GE? Who was the alternative to Boris back then? As they say, in the land of the blind the one eye man is king.

Same way every other GE is fixed, biased media, fixed opinion polls, gerrymandering, lying politicians, stupid electorate etc, etc

So when Blair was elected in three consecutive GE's was the result was fixed, or was that was OK?

Are you saying that even then the electorate was stupid and that we had fixed opinion polls, biased media, gerrymandering and biased media. You can't have it both ways.

[banqo]

They have changed from Brexit knocking to Coronavirus knocking, never any positive suggestions just, ''ohh now IF you had done this and IF you had done that'' Blah Blah Blah !!

As I've said on twitter, I never knew there were so many professors and scientists in this country. Even more amazing is they've only just surfaced during the Pandemic. If only we had them come to the fore sooner!

I assume you don't pass judgement on the football then, not being a professional player or coach and all

I pass judgement yes, but I don't slaughter all and sundry for doing something wrong in a Pandemic that no one knew f*** all about in November!

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

So how did they fix the GE? Who was the alternative to Boris back then? As they say, in the land of the blind the one eye man is king.

Same way every other GE is fixed, biased media, fixed opinion polls, gerrymandering, lying politicians, stupid electorate etc, etc

So when Blair was elected in three consecutive GE's was the result was fixed, or was that was OK?

Are you saying that even then the electorate was stupid and that we had fixed opinion polls, biased media, gerrymandering and biased media. You can't have it both ways.

No, that was exactly the same. You're aware Blair bent over for Murdoch, right?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

As I've said on twitter, I never knew there were so many professors and scientists in this country. Even more amazing is they've only just surfaced during the Pandemic. If only we had them come to the fore sooner!

I assume you don't pass judgement on the football then, not being a professional player or coach and all

I pass judgement yes, but I don't slaughter all and sundry for doing something wrong in a Pandemic that no one knew f*** all about in November!

But they knew about it in January. And February. And the beginning of March.

They just chose to the wrong approach to it - taking it on the chin, herd immunity, survival of the fittest Ubermenschy bollocks.

So these c*nts deserve all the criticism they get, plus more.

[banqo]

That's fine, that's your opinion but not mine. Doesn't make either of us right or wrong.

[EH16]

And he's still probably better than May.

That's like getting a choice between beheading and disembowelling.

[EH16]

If you sacked every leader because of their handling of this Pandemic, almost every leader across the world would have to step down.
You only here what's happening & possibly going wrong in our country but all there's terrible things happening in other countries you just don't hear about.
These are unprecedented times & there are No set rules or procedures in place to deal with it.
I know some horrible story's of stuff happening in care homes in Spain & if it happend over here Boris would be strung up for murder but the negative reporters don't write this they just want to have a dig at our government.

If you sacked every leader because of their handling of this Pandemic, almost every leader across the world would have to step down.

Not so at all.

[EH16]

No I don't need to investigate it as you say, i have a cousin who's lived in Spain for the last 14 years & an Uncle who lives in France for the last 20 years & they keep me updated with true events what are ACTUALLY happening in their countries & not through our media & what they choose to write.
And from the stuff their both telling me it's not all rosy & everything going smoothly in those countries either.
But your Kuenssbergs & your PESTons of the media only choose to point out the good points for comparison.. conveniently.
Do they report that in Spain when a majority of patients in a care home have the virus the carers pull themselves out lock the door behind them & let them all die together? Well you know the answer otherwise you would of heard about it but oh no wonky mouth Kuenssberg wont compare that will she & thars just one of MANY stories I'm being.
All I'm saying as I'm not defending Boris is it's not easy out there & yes he is making some mistakes but then on a majority of issues he's taking scientific advise & if Corbyn was standing up there he would be doing the same.
So don't patronise me about head in the sand as my family doesn't make this up.

So your claim that you know what is ACTUALLY happening on other countries is based on hearsay evidence from 2 people? Not that reliable, mate.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

That's fine, that's your opinion but not mine. Doesn't make either of us right or wrong.

It's not my opinion banqo, it's just what actually happened.

[NuneatonO's]

Same way every other GE is fixed, biased media, fixed opinion polls, gerrymandering, lying politicians, stupid electorate etc, etc

Lest we forget the cover up of Russian meddling; the report on which Spaffer Johnson said would be released after the election?

He and his Tory Scum may have conveniently forgotten about this. Clearly, too many breaks, birth of yet another sprog, Cobra meetings, etc. etc.

Rest assured, other parties in Parliament haven't.

[banqo]

If you say so, I bow and doff my cap to you.

[NuneatonO's]

If you sacked every leader because of their handling of this Pandemic, almost every leader across the world would have to step down.

Really?

Given that there are 195 Countries in the World, which ones.......and why?

[Max B Gold]

So how did they fix the GE? Who was the alternative to Boris back then? As they say, in the land of the blind the one eye man is king.

Same way every other GE is fixed, biased media, fixed opinion polls, gerrymandering, lying politicians, stupid electorate etc, etc

So when Blair was elected in three consecutive GE's was the result was fixed, or was that was OK?

Are you saying that even then the electorate was stupid and that we had fixed opinion polls, biased media, gerrymandering and biased media. You can't have it both ways.

Yes I can.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

If you say so, I bow and doff my cap to you.

It’s not me that’s saying so, the info is all out there.

[Chicken Dhansak]

I've never really understood how Bumbly No 1 ever got to be the Prime Minister of our great, once proud, nation.

[Mikero]

"Given that there are 195 Countries in the World, which ones?"

Certainly the President of one of the smaller African nations who told his people to "Go to church and prey, you will be saved"

Mikero