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Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:42 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:31 pm Clearly he wasn't struggling to make a decision, though. He was avoiding the very obvious trap that any answer to that question would have dropped him in. His political opponents wanted him to state his own position, because they knew that either answer would alienate a chunk of his own potential electorate.

You can see that, can't you?

Yes you’re right sorry. I’d forgotten about Labour’s sensational performance in the GE. What a genius the man is

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:58 pm Ah so its the electorates fault?

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:21 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:45 pm

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:38 pm I’m no Tory, but Corbyn couldn’t decide/didn’t have the balls to say which way he’d vote in the most important constitutional event of our lifetimes. So I wouldn’t hold out much hope that he’d lead the country through a global crisis.

This incompetent govt deserves all the flack that’s coming their way but let’s not rewrite history here

What a ridiculous comparison. He couldn't answer because his party was split enough already on that issue. It was for political reasons he did not reply not incompentence. Anyway it was a secret ballot.

My point was that Jezza was a weak leader who struggled to make decisions.

I’ve no doubt his heart would be in the right place, but it means nothing if you don’t have the competence

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:34 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:30 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:25 pm

Yeah, we are really reaping the benefit now.

Even the most rabid Tory must concede that Jeremy would have handled this crisis way better.

Way.

Agreed. I bet he would have had perfect attendance at the COBRA meetings. Unlike Boris who missed FIVE in a row.

The man us not up to the job. Never was never will be. He's an incompetent buffoon.

Jeremy would have made himself and his ministers totally accountable.

Say what you like about the man, Corbyn is just the honourable person we need at a time like this.

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:27 pm

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:44 am Give it time, they will gradually be moved on, He did a massive reshuffle with his cabinet after his election, now the civil servants need a kick up the proverbial, the public kicked labour out of site for being so bloody stupid having Jeremy Corblmie as leader also adaopting very left wing views.
no party wins elections in this country starting from extreme left. Next up for a good tanning is the judges who continually voted against Boris then the house of lords, lots of upheaval in the offing hang on to your hats bumpy ride lots of blood good fun all round

Yeah, great fun watching helplessly as Boris & co condemn thousands to die. What an a-hole you are.

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:52 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:27 pm

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:44 am Give it time, they will gradually be moved on, He did a massive reshuffle with his cabinet after his election, now the civil servants need a kick up the proverbial, the public kicked labour out of site for being so bloody stupid having Jeremy Corblmie as leader also adaopting very left wing views.
no party wins elections in this country starting from extreme left. Next up for a good tanning is the judges who continually voted against Boris then the house of lords, lots of upheaval in the offing hang on to your hats bumpy ride lots of blood good fun all round

Yeah, great fun watching helplessly as Boris & co condemn thousands to die. What an a-hole you are.

Why don't you stick your finger up your A hole

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:42 pm Because the same usual people turn every subject they can onto it.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:25 pm
Even the most rabid Tory must concede that Jeremy would have handled this crisis way better.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:25 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:14 pm It's nothing to do with a 'spirit', its ineptness. Nothing more, nothing less.

Pretty clear in December who the country voted in and now we are seeing the result.

Yeah, we are really reaping the benefit now.

Even the most rabid Tory must concede that Jeremy would have handled this crisis way better.

Way.

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:41 am Whenever, I feel a bit low, I am grateful to find threads like this, full of lefties still believing that the country got the GE wrong. Laugh? I nearly split my sides. Keep it up boys and thanks for the comedy gold.

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:41 am Whenever, I feel a bit low, I am grateful to find threads like this, full of lefties still believing that the country got the GE wrong. Laugh? I nearly split my sides. Keep it up boys and thanks for the comedy gold.

Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:29 am Erm, I don't mean to be a grass, but I believe that this was the point when Labour and Corbyn were introduced into this thread:

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:25 pm
Even the most rabid Tory must concede that Jeremy would have handled this crisis way better.

(Sorry Dis)

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:32 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:25 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:14 pm It's nothing to do with a 'spirit', its ineptness. Nothing more, nothing less.

Pretty clear in December who the country voted in and now we are seeing the result.

Yeah, we are really reaping the benefit now.

Even the most rabid Tory must concede that Jeremy would have handled this crisis way better.

Way.

What, like the way he handled anti-semitism in his Party?

West Side Story wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:41 am Surprising the way that people mis-read threads and go completely off piste. My initial posting wasn't a criticism of the Government per se, but a comparison to a similar Government at the beginning of WWII. That also was a Right Wing led Government. But they had the knack of employing some very clever people in important posts and them seemed to get things done. Some of these appointments went against the sort of dogma held by Churchill.
This Government so far, has singularly failed to grasp the nettle. When things go wrong they point out that they have acted on " scientific advice". If that is true, perhaps they have been advised by the wrong scientists! They have clung on to tried and tested Cabinet Ministers ( unfortunately several like Patel & Hancock have failed the test ).
We are in such a precarious situation; not just from the virus, but the Economic Aftermath as well, not to mention Brexit ( and I would love not to mention Brexit ), you would think BoJo would be more adventurous and far-sighted in his advisers and Ministers.

West Side Story wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:41 am Surprising the way that people mis-read threads and go completely off piste. My initial posting wasn't a criticism of the Government per se, but a comparison to a similar Government at the beginning of WWII. That also was a Right Wing led Government. But they had the knack of employing some very clever people in important posts and them seemed to get things done. Some of these appointments went against the sort of dogma held by Churchill.
This Government so far, has singularly failed to grasp the nettle. When things go wrong they point out that they have acted on " scientific advice". If that is true, perhaps they have been advised by the wrong scientists! They have clung on to tried and tested Cabinet Ministers ( unfortunately several like Patel & Hancock have failed the test ).
We are in such a precarious situation; not just from the virus, but the Economic Aftermath as well, not to mention Brexit ( and I would love not to mention Brexit ), you would think BoJo would be more adventurous and far-sighted in his advisers and Ministers.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:12 pm

West Side Story wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:41 am Surprising the way that people mis-read threads and go completely off piste. My initial posting wasn't a criticism of the Government per se, but a comparison to a similar Government at the beginning of WWII. That also was a Right Wing led Government. But they had the knack of employing some very clever people in important posts and them seemed to get things done. Some of these appointments went against the sort of dogma held by Churchill.
This Government so far, has singularly failed to grasp the nettle. When things go wrong they point out that they have acted on " scientific advice". If that is true, perhaps they have been advised by the wrong scientists! They have clung on to tried and tested Cabinet Ministers ( unfortunately several like Patel & Hancock have failed the test ).
We are in such a precarious situation; not just from the virus, but the Economic Aftermath as well, not to mention Brexit ( and I would love not to mention Brexit ), you would think BoJo would be more adventurous and far-sighted in his advisers and Ministers.

But how "scientific" is that advice? If you pack the panel with "Behavioural Psychologists" they are still "scientists", but do they know much about virology or epidemiology ? Just calling it "scientific advice" seems to be spin - ask the right experts and you get the advice you wanted all along, with the added bonus that you can absolve yourself of all responsibility.

He's not adventurous and far sighted, none of them are. They're spivs and chancers, promoted way beyond their limited capabilities because they have the gift of the gab and are prepared to say just about anything to get on.