The Churchill Spirit

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Why are people even talking about Labour and Corbyn on this thread?

Staggering.

[Long slender neck]

Because the same usual people turn every subject they can onto it.

[StillSpike]

Clearly he wasn't struggling to make a decision, though. He was avoiding the very obvious trap that any answer to that question would have dropped him in. His political opponents wanted him to state his own position, because they knew that either answer would alienate a chunk of his own potential electorate.

You can see that, can't you?

Yes you’re right sorry. I’d forgotten about Labour’s sensational performance in the GE. What a genius the man is

I know - it beggars belief that so many of the easily led were fooled into thinking a) "the most important constitutional event of our lifetimes" actually mattered more than the 10 years of austerity and the massive damage that had already done to our country, and b) that avoiding a very obvious man-trap was actually "struggling to make a decision".

I'd hope that watching events of the last few months, some of those easily led might have the self awareness to take a look at their decision and wonder if they really got it right. Probably not, many seem to be chasing their losses.

[tuffers#1]

Deflect from the real problem which is incompetance by the Story Party.

Did Churchill ever lie to the ruling monarch do we know ?

[Long slender neck]

Ah so its the electorates fault?

[StillSpike]

Ah so its the electorates fault?

About 40% of them, yeah. They had some help, mind.

[Max B Gold]

I’m no Tory, but Corbyn couldn’t decide/didn’t have the balls to say which way he’d vote in the most important constitutional event of our lifetimes. So I wouldn’t hold out much hope that he’d lead the country through a global crisis.

This incompetent govt deserves all the flack that’s coming their way but let’s not rewrite history here

What a ridiculous comparison. He couldn't answer because his party was split enough already on that issue. It was for political reasons he did not reply not incompentence. Anyway it was a secret ballot.

My point was that Jezza was a weak leader who struggled to make decisions.

I’ve no doubt his heart would be in the right place, but it means nothing if you don’t have the competence

And I said it wasn't his decision making that was in question. He decided not to say because it would only have inflammed the political situation in his party.

Otherwise carry on because your talking pish.

[Redcard]

Yes, Dianne abbot would have had everything under control by now.

[Dunners]

Would she have been as effective as Priti, Redcard?

[point nine one eight]

Yeah, we are really reaping the benefit now.

Even the most rabid Tory must concede that Jeremy would have handled this crisis way better.

Way.

Agreed. I bet he would have had perfect attendance at the COBRA meetings. Unlike Boris who missed FIVE in a row.

The man us not up to the job. Never was never will be. He's an incompetent buffoon.

Jeremy would have made himself and his ministers totally accountable.

Say what you like about the man, Corbyn is just the honourable person we need at a time like this.

He may not have attended the meetings but we have this thing called conference calling so would still be part of the meeting, apart from that you make me laugh so much, you should be on stage, Corblimey an honest man, how delusional and out of touch with reality can one person be.

[point nine one eight]

Give it time, they will gradually be moved on, He did a massive reshuffle with his cabinet after his election, now the civil servants need a kick up the proverbial, the public kicked labour out of site for being so bloody stupid having Jeremy Corblmie as leader also adaopting very left wing views.
no party wins elections in this country starting from extreme left. Next up for a good tanning is the judges who continually voted against Boris then the house of lords, lots of upheaval in the offing hang on to your hats bumpy ride lots of blood good fun all round

Yeah, great fun watching helplessly as Boris & co condemn thousands to die. What an a-hole you are.

Why don't you stick your finger up your A hole

[BoniO]

Give it time, they will gradually be moved on, He did a massive reshuffle with his cabinet after his election, now the civil servants need a kick up the proverbial, the public kicked labour out of site for being so bloody stupid having Jeremy Corblmie as leader also adaopting very left wing views.
no party wins elections in this country starting from extreme left. Next up for a good tanning is the judges who continually voted against Boris then the house of lords, lots of upheaval in the offing hang on to your hats bumpy ride lots of blood good fun all round

Yeah, great fun watching helplessly as Boris & co condemn thousands to die. What an a-hole you are.

Why don't you stick your finger up your A hole

I have to say I laughed out loud at this, very inventive, though not something I'll have a go at, thanks all the same.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Because the same usual people turn every subject they can onto it.

Wish there was someone who could do something about it, especially when the people doing it are so obviously aliases anyway.

[Long slender neck]

Name names.

[Dunners]

Erm, I don't mean to be a grass, but I believe that this was the point when Labour and Corbyn were introduced into this thread:

Even the most rabid Tory must concede that Jeremy would have handled this crisis way better.

(Sorry Dis)

[DuvB]

It's nothing to do with a 'spirit', its ineptness. Nothing more, nothing less.

Pretty clear in December who the country voted in and now we are seeing the result.

Yeah, we are really reaping the benefit now.

Even the most rabid Tory must concede that Jeremy would have handled this crisis way better.

Way.

What, like the way he handled anti-semitism in his Party?

[DuvB]

Whenever, I feel a bit low, I am grateful to find threads like this, full of lefties still believing that the country got the GE wrong. Laugh? I nearly split my sides. Keep it up boys and thanks for the comedy gold.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Whenever, I feel a bit low, I am grateful to find threads like this, full of lefties still believing that the country got the GE wrong. Laugh? I nearly split my sides. Keep it up boys and thanks for the comedy gold.

Yeah tbf, all the evidence of the last few months have proved you right. Well done.

[BoniO]

Whenever, I feel a bit low, I am grateful to find threads like this, full of lefties still believing that the country got the GE wrong. Laugh? I nearly split my sides. Keep it up boys and thanks for the comedy gold.

I assume you're happy with the governments handling of the virus outbreak then? There has been so much criticism of the Tories over their handling of the crisis so it would be only fair if you were to list all the good things they did, at the right time.

Go on, you know you want to. It won't take long.

[Disoriented]

Erm, I don't mean to be a grass, but I believe that this was the point when Labour and Corbyn were introduced into this thread:

Even the most rabid Tory must concede that Jeremy would have handled this crisis way better.

(Sorry Dis)

[Disoriented]

It's nothing to do with a 'spirit', its ineptness. Nothing more, nothing less.

Pretty clear in December who the country voted in and now we are seeing the result.

Yeah, we are really reaping the benefit now.

Even the most rabid Tory must concede that Jeremy would have handled this crisis way better.

Way.

What, like the way he handled anti-semitism in his Party?

The report about to be released says he was stitched up.

Do keep up.

[Clive Evans]

Surprising the way that people mis-read threads and go completely off piste. My initial posting wasn't a criticism of the Government per se, but a comparison to a similar Government at the beginning of WWII. That also was a Right Wing led Government. But they had the knack of employing some very clever people in important posts and them seemed to get things done. Some of these appointments went against the sort of dogma held by Churchill.
This Government so far, has singularly failed to grasp the nettle. When things go wrong they point out that they have acted on " scientific advice". If that is true, perhaps they have been advised by the wrong scientists! They have clung on to tried and tested Cabinet Ministers ( unfortunately several like Patel & Hancock have failed the test ).
We are in such a precarious situation; not just from the virus, but the Economic Aftermath as well, not to mention Brexit ( and I would love not to mention Brexit ), you would think BoJo would be more adventurous and far-sighted in his advisers and Ministers.

[Disoriented]

Surprising the way that people mis-read threads and go completely off piste. My initial posting wasn't a criticism of the Government per se, but a comparison to a similar Government at the beginning of WWII. That also was a Right Wing led Government. But they had the knack of employing some very clever people in important posts and them seemed to get things done. Some of these appointments went against the sort of dogma held by Churchill.
This Government so far, has singularly failed to grasp the nettle. When things go wrong they point out that they have acted on " scientific advice". If that is true, perhaps they have been advised by the wrong scientists! They have clung on to tried and tested Cabinet Ministers ( unfortunately several like Patel & Hancock have failed the test ).
We are in such a precarious situation; not just from the virus, but the Economic Aftermath as well, not to mention Brexit ( and I would love not to mention Brexit ), you would think BoJo would be more adventurous and far-sighted in his advisers and Ministers.

Boris ‘far-sighted’?

[StillSpike]

Surprising the way that people mis-read threads and go completely off piste. My initial posting wasn't a criticism of the Government per se, but a comparison to a similar Government at the beginning of WWII. That also was a Right Wing led Government. But they had the knack of employing some very clever people in important posts and them seemed to get things done. Some of these appointments went against the sort of dogma held by Churchill.
This Government so far, has singularly failed to grasp the nettle. When things go wrong they point out that they have acted on " scientific advice". If that is true, perhaps they have been advised by the wrong scientists! They have clung on to tried and tested Cabinet Ministers ( unfortunately several like Patel & Hancock have failed the test ).
We are in such a precarious situation; not just from the virus, but the Economic Aftermath as well, not to mention Brexit ( and I would love not to mention Brexit ), you would think BoJo would be more adventurous and far-sighted in his advisers and Ministers.

But how "scientific" is that advice? If you pack the panel with "Behavioural Psychologists" they are still "scientists", but do they know much about virology or epidemiology ? Just calling it "scientific advice" seems to be spin - ask the right experts and you get the advice you wanted all along, with the added bonus that you can absolve yourself of all responsibility.

He's not adventurous and far sighted, none of them are. They're spivs and chancers, promoted way beyond their limited capabilities because they have the gift of the gab and are prepared to say just about anything to get on.

[Max B Gold]

Surprising the way that people mis-read threads and go completely off piste. My initial posting wasn't a criticism of the Government per se, but a comparison to a similar Government at the beginning of WWII. That also was a Right Wing led Government. But they had the knack of employing some very clever people in important posts and them seemed to get things done. Some of these appointments went against the sort of dogma held by Churchill.
This Government so far, has singularly failed to grasp the nettle. When things go wrong they point out that they have acted on " scientific advice". If that is true, perhaps they have been advised by the wrong scientists! They have clung on to tried and tested Cabinet Ministers ( unfortunately several like Patel & Hancock have failed the test ).
We are in such a precarious situation; not just from the virus, but the Economic Aftermath as well, not to mention Brexit ( and I would love not to mention Brexit ), you would think BoJo would be more adventurous and far-sighted in his advisers and Ministers.

But how "scientific" is that advice? If you pack the panel with "Behavioural Psychologists" they are still "scientists", but do they know much about virology or epidemiology ? Just calling it "scientific advice" seems to be spin - ask the right experts and you get the advice you wanted all along, with the added bonus that you can absolve yourself of all responsibility.

He's not adventurous and far sighted, none of them are. They're spivs and chancers, promoted way beyond their limited capabilities because they have the gift of the gab and are prepared to say just about anything to get on.

Just to emphasise the point but in different words.

There is an underlying assumption that these scientists do not have a political ideology and they are somehow neutral and bound only by scientific thinking and ethics. They're nothing of the kind.