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RedO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:03 am The unborn child, especially. Imagine coming into this world and finding out that's your dad.

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:52 am To answer some previous points:

- I had no idea just how deadly this disease had become; hence I went to the pub once before the lock-down. Should I have done this? Clearly not. I should have listened to my Wife sooner; rather than take advantage of the misinformation provided by Johnson and his incompetent Tory Government.

- To the person who said Brits would not return home. To the most part, that is complete and utter rubbish. There was no transport available to get them home! I personally spent 11 consecutive days at work booking people in NZ and Aus onto alternative, earlier Emirates, Virgin and Qantas flights. Having paid thousands of pounds for them, these revised flights were also pulled. Meanwhile, airlines (and ferry comanies) serving Europe, also cancelled flights and sailings. The advice of the Govt. /FCO? 'Contact your travel provider'. Thousands were stranded. I have customers who still are!

Maybe if your Wife, family, etc. worked in the NHS, you'd have a different view on things.

- You'd be concerned EVERY day and night, when they have returned home in tears because of the impossible conditions that they are working under.

- Listening and seeing their abject despair at risking their lives, through a lack of basic equipment.

- Their sadness at the loss of a colleague that they've known for years.

Clearly, the vast majority of you aren't in this position.

That's evident even more by some; who are that desperate and unable to answer my questions, they have to try and apportion blame back to what Corbyn and Abbott would have done. Truly, truly pathetic!

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:10 am

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:52 am To answer some previous points:

- I had no idea just how deadly this disease had become; hence I went to the pub once before the lock-down. Should I have done this? Clearly not. I should have listened to my Wife sooner; rather than take advantage of the misinformation provided by Johnson and his incompetent Tory Government.

- To the person who said Brits would not return home. To the most part, that is complete and utter rubbish. There was no transport available to get them home! I personally spent 11 consecutive days at work booking people in NZ and Aus onto alternative, earlier Emirates, Virgin and Qantas flights. Having paid thousands of pounds for them, these revised flights were also pulled. Meanwhile, airlines (and ferry comanies) serving Europe, also cancelled flights and sailings. The advice of the Govt. /FCO? 'Contact your travel provider'. Thousands were stranded. I have customers who still are!

Maybe if your Wife, family, etc. worked in the NHS, you'd have a different view on things.

- You'd be concerned EVERY day and night, when they have returned home in tears because of the impossible conditions that they are working under.

- Listening and seeing their abject despair at risking their lives, through a lack of basic equipment.

- Their sadness at the loss of a colleague that they've known for years.

Clearly, the vast majority of you aren't in this position.

That's evident even more by some; who are that desperate and unable to answer my questions, they have to try and apportion blame back to what Corbyn and Abbott would have done. Truly, truly pathetic!

Its because of people like your wife is why the nhs is held in such high esteem by the people. I'm sure you do it, just remind her that we are grateful for what she does and is doing.

I pray she stays safe and takes care of her own health.

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:08 pm Whatever your thoughts are on Boris, we are in a crisis type situation and need him back in No.10 in good health.
I wish him well and hope he gets better quickly.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:13 pm

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:08 pm Whatever your thoughts are on Boris, we are in a crisis type situation and need him back in No.10 in good health.
I wish him well and hope he gets better quickly.

Absolutely. Well said.

marcho wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:38 pm No its not. It fails to recognise that the dithering and incorrect strategy cost lives. Let's hope he doesn't pay the ultimate price for his own bravado and incompetence ?

Are you saying that a labour government would have been more efficient given the time scale and the way the virus spread I don`t really think whomever was in power would have fared much better.

Orient Punxx wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:03 pm To allow Cheltenham to go ahead was clearly wrong even without the benefit of hindsight. At the same time the tennis was pulled in California - clearly a different and more prudent strategy there. We were most definitely at least a week behind where we should have been.

Just waiting on the wife to return from work after her first day back at the hospital following self isolation. No test in sight!!!

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:33 pm Whatever the Government did, some will accuse them of incompetence. As for strategy, different ideas exist around the globe from Sweden, Australia and the UK and so on Opinions still do differ. A completely new situation with information daily, some of which is now considered wrong, etc, etc, etc. Who really knows the best solution, lockdown itself will cause problems to.

There will be plenty of time for the Government and Opposition to argue the rights and wrongs in due course.

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:17 pm There's plenty of things the government could have done differently, but I reckon the timing of the lockdown such as it is was about right. Too soon and people would have been complaining that it was all for nothing.

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:46 pm

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:33 pm Whatever the Government did, some will accuse them of incompetence. As for strategy, different ideas exist around the globe from Sweden, Australia and the UK and so on Opinions still do differ. A completely new situation with information daily, some of which is now considered wrong, etc, etc, etc. Who really knows the best solution, lockdown itself will cause problems to.

There will be plenty of time for the Government and Opposition to argue the rights and wrongs in due course.

Strong feeling of deja vu here. You keep regurgitating this piffle on a regular basis. The government have screwed up showing incredible incompetence and a complete disregard for human life. Now is exactly the time to make your voice heard in order to attempt to avoid their next monumental feck up. Yes there will be debate later but they need to be held to account now.

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:36 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:46 pm

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:33 pm Whatever the Government did, some will accuse them of incompetence. As for strategy, different ideas exist around the globe from Sweden, Australia and the UK and so on Opinions still do differ. A completely new situation with information daily, some of which is now considered wrong, etc, etc, etc. Who really knows the best solution, lockdown itself will cause problems to.

There will be plenty of time for the Government and Opposition to argue the rights and wrongs in due course.

Strong feeling of deja vu here. You keep regurgitating this piffle on a regular basis. The government have screwed up showing incredible incompetence and a complete disregard for human life. Now is exactly the time to make your voice heard in order to attempt to avoid their next monumental feck up. Yes there will be debate later but they need to be held to account now.

I’ve been clear. Governments need to be held to account. It is also pretty obvious that the UK along with the rest of the world are struggling and tbh the approaches of different countries vary considerably. Who knows who is right or wrong. You? Me? What makes you the expert? Able to make such proclamations. The answer is absolutely nothing at all. Nothing. I will say it again, you know nothing about the realities of the situation and are in no position to gob off.

For 3 weeks I had the opportunity to listen to the daily bulletins in Australia and the debates on what was right or wrong raged on. Boris was seen frequently on Perth TV as his approach discussed as one way forward. Sweden have taken a different approach, France changed tack. But hey, you know better don’t you.

There will be a time and place when experts can look and learn, not just in the UK but globally. In the meantime the Government with the help of the opposition continue to do what they can.

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:13 pm Lock up your Nurses!

Don't worry Boris; Matt Hancock will have your ventilator ready.......by the end of the week........errrrrr by the end of the month.......errrrrr, it's on urgent order as "it's very imporrrrrrtant", so sometime soon. He thinks. Hopefully.

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:50 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:13 pm Lock up your Nurses!

Don't worry Boris; Matt Hancock will have your ventilator ready.......by the end of the week........errrrrr by the end of the month.......errrrrr, it's on urgent order as "it's very imporrrrrrtant", so sometime soon. He thinks. Hopefully.

Still think this is funny or clever? You should hang your head in shame. Depending on WHICH expert you listen to you’ll get totally different opinions. Boris took advice and acted on that . Only when it’s all over will we know who may have been right or just more right than wrong! I just hope he makes a quick and speedy recovery,

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:50 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:13 pm Lock up your Nurses!

Don't worry Boris; Matt Hancock will have your ventilator ready.......by the end of the week........errrrrr by the end of the month.......errrrrr, it's on urgent order as "it's very imporrrrrrtant", so sometime soon. He thinks. Hopefully.

Still think this is funny or clever? You should hang your head in shame. Depending on WHICH expert you listen to you’ll get totally different opinions. Boris took advice and acted on that . Only when it’s all over will we know who may have been right or just more right than wrong! I just hope he makes a quick and speedy recovery,