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redintheface wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:15 pm Pubs in the ROI asked to close and people told not to hold “ house parties”. The implications of this virus is bigger than politics and anyone who chooses not to recognise that is deluded.

West Side Story wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:20 pm I think we need to have a support service on this message board. I beginning to get stir crazy already & even worse my dog is starting to look attractive. Your advice please.

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:45 pm

Oforever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:25 pm Crumbs some stupid claims on here. Which year was the budget of the NHS decimated? I thought it had gone up in real terms every year under the Conservative gov't.

Are you serious?

After 10 years of tory mismangement and lack of investment, you honestly believe that the NHS is in a better position now, than under a Labour Government?

Do you actually believe that Johnson is going to build 40 new hospitals (although he can't say when or where; nor how they will be staffed)?

My God, there are some blinkered and brainwashed people amongst us.

Anyway, here's a great 80's tune the old bill can start singing:

RoryRocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:30 pm

redintheface wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:15 pm Pubs in the ROI asked to close and people told not to hold “ house parties”. The implications of this virus is bigger than politics and anyone who chooses not to recognise that is deluded.

Some people couldn't behave themselves and it became impossible to self regulate groupings of 100. Many pubs and hotels had already decided to close.

Boris is playing chicken with your health.

RoryRocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:38 pm

West Side Story wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:20 pm I think we need to have a support service on this message board. I beginning to get stir crazy already & even worse my dog is starting to look attractive. Your advice please.

You probably saw that WhatsApp that was doing the rounds.

Day 2 of no sports. Just started talking to the wife. She seems nice

soloman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:48 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:45 pm

Oforever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:25 pm Crumbs some stupid claims on here. Which year was the budget of the NHS decimated? I thought it had gone up in real terms every year under the Conservative gov't.

Are you serious?

After 10 years of tory mismangement and lack of investment, you honestly believe that the NHS is in a better position now, than under a Labour Government?

Do you actually believe that Johnson is going to build 40 new hospitals (although he can't say when or where; nor how they will be staffed)?

My God, there are some blinkered and brainwashed people amongst us.

Anyway, here's a great 80's tune the old bill can start singing:

Are you serious ? I've worked in the NHS for over 37 yrs and have seen many different goverments take the NHS apart in that time , down to it's present level.

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:59 pm

soloman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:48 pm

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:45 pm
Are you serious?

After 10 years of tory mismangement and lack of investment, you honestly believe that the NHS is in a better position now, than under a Labour Government?

Do you actually believe that Johnson is going to build 40 new hospitals (although he can't say when or where; nor how they will be staffed)?

My God, there are some blinkered and brainwashed people amongst us.

Anyway, here's a great 80's tune the old bill can start singing:

Are you serious ? I've worked in the NHS for over 37 yrs and have seen many different goverments take the NHS apart in that time , down to it's present level.

I'm absolutely serious.

When was the NHS in a better place ' pre-2010.......or post 2010'?

Maybe I should ask my Wife. As a nurse working in a Cardiothoracic Ward in Leicestershire, I may get a straight answer?

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:10 pm

Mikero wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:48 pm Being mooted for the over Seventies, another desperate measure from a desperately inadequate bunch of politicians.

Mikero

If, as predicted, this outbreak reaches it's peak in a few weeks time, then perhaps people will finally wake up and realise how inept, lying tory governments have been decimating the NHS since 2010?

Not to mention the amount of essential, front-line staff that are now missing; many having returned to their homelands.

Thanks tory voters; in particular, the Brexit-loving ones. I hope that you are all proud of yourselves.

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:12 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:03 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:35 pm
China coped, but then I guess it is their weapon.

China has not told the truth since this started so I wouldn’t beleive a word their government tells us.

And yet you believe everything Johnson and his cronies are doing are for the good of people

Get real ffs

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:10 pm

Mikero wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:48 pm Being mooted for the over Seventies, another desperate measure from a desperately inadequate bunch of politicians.

Mikero

If, as predicted, this outbreak reaches it's peak in a few weeks time, then perhaps people will finally wake up and realise how inept, lying tory governments have been decimating the NHS since 2010?

Not to mention the amount of essential, front-line staff that are now missing; many having returned to their homelands.

Thanks tory voters; in particular, the Brexit-loving ones. I hope that you are all proud of yourselves.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:48 am Obviously policy decisions taken over the last decade are a legitimate conversation, cause they'll determine how ready a country is to cope. More funding, both for NHS and social services, results in more staff, specialist care facilities and less bed blockers. Saying it's all the same everywhere is facile as f*ck. Some countries will come out of this better than others for a reason.

The UK obviously coped quite well at the beginning but the number of deaths have tripled over the last few days. That's a pretty alarming trend.

RoryRocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:30 pm

redintheface wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:15 pm Pubs in the ROI asked to close and people told not to hold “ house parties”. The implications of this virus is bigger than politics and anyone who chooses not to recognise that is deluded.

Some people couldn't behave themselves and it became impossible to self regulate groupings of 100. Many pubs and hotels had already decided to close.

Boris is playing chicken with your health.

Look after yourselves and your families. Be well, keep safe!

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:34 am
Frankly people who try to make a party-political issue out of this are idiots who just don’t understand what the F*** is really going on and why measures are being taken.

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:34 am

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:10 pm

Mikero wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:48 pm Being mooted for the over Seventies, another desperate measure from a desperately inadequate bunch of politicians.

Mikero

If, as predicted, this outbreak reaches it's peak in a few weeks time, then perhaps people will finally wake up and realise how inept, lying tory governments have been decimating the NHS since 2010?

Not to mention the amount of essential, front-line staff that are now missing; many having returned to their homelands.

Thanks tory voters; in particular, the Brexit-loving ones. I hope that you are all proud of yourselves.

In Australia right now. 24/7 news on the virus.

It’s been explained that the measures being introduced are to avoid a peak in infections, smoothing the graph so to speak. Won’t necessarily reduce infection numbers but avoids the spike. A spike that the over 70s make worse because they are more likely to have chronic conditions that eat up more resources. Just look at the death rate by age.

Why? Because the health service in Aus, like every other country, cannot cope with the spike leading to decisions about who to treat and who to ignore. Also in Perth they are running short of testing kits.

So it’s got f*** all to do with the NHS funding and everything to do with the worlds health systems not being able to cope with the spike if everybody gets it at once. This is an exceptional situation.

It’s also been explained that in some areas staff rotation is being used to minimise the risk of all staff getting it at once.

Frankly people who try to make a party-political issue out of this are idiots who just don’t understand what the F*** is really going on and why measures are being taken.

Update. The NZ Prime minister has been displaying the spike graph too, explaining the measures. Not just GB, but the rest of the world.

Redline wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:13 am

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:48 am Obviously policy decisions taken over the last decade are a legitimate conversation, cause they'll determine how ready a country is to cope. More funding, both for NHS and social services, results in more staff, specialist care facilities and less bed blockers. Saying it's all the same everywhere is facile as f*ck. Some countries will come out of this better than others for a reason.

The UK obviously coped quite well at the beginning but the number of deaths have tripled over the last few days. That's a pretty alarming trend.

A debate about NHS funding over the past 30+ years is a valid one. But not here. The current situation is far from normal and impacting on health services around the world. Some countries, like Italy, may come out worse, others like Australia and NZ may fare better.

Trying to use this pandemic as a rod to beat up NHS investment and play party politics is plain stupid. The pandemic is impacting on all health sectors not just the NHS. If you dig at NHS investment, then dig on the whole worlds investment in health.

In Australia for example, the self-isolation rules are fierce, $50,000 fines in place for transgression. This is despite 5 deaths and 300 cases to date, far fewer than others. The reason given, to smooth the curve. A strategy to manage the outbreak. I’m sure Britain can cope with its current 1140 cases, but are planning to smooth the curve. Making sure the NHS continue to cope.

slacker wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:22 am Still feels like a “phoney war” stage to me in the UK. Travel & social plans are obviously impacted, but does anyone here know anyone directly with the virus yet? Until we reach that point on a fairly widespread basis I don’t think this coming crisis will hit home.