Independent Leyton Orient Forum

O my gawd wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:34 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:26 pm

O my gawd wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:10 pm

aaah trust Wumble to come up with another inaccurate assessment. A man so balanced he has a chip on both shoulders.
Apart from failed podcast host what other experience do you have?

probably the same as you.

I've never been a failed podcast host

OyinbO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:36 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:27 pm The constant "you've never been a manager so cannot comment". Its akin to watching thousands of hours of films and not being able to say you liked one, or you didnt. No ones saying they could do a better job, get a grip.

but at the same time, the same people often advance the "but he's a fan!" argument as one of the primary defences of him.

Well, so are we, so...

"If Embleton can manage Orient, so can I"

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:40 pm

O my gawd wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:34 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:26 pm

probably the same as you.

I've never been a failed podcast host

I’d bet you’d never had Orient’s favoured podcast for half a season on your cv either.

For future ref, it’s one of the most enjoyable things I’ve done, which has got me on the radio, lead to career opportunities within audio and sparked a life long passion for podcasts and podcasting.

But you probably knew that as you “don’t like making anyone feel like sh*t” so I assume it wasn’t meant to be insulting.

O my gawd wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:53 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:40 pm

O my gawd wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:34 pm

I've never been a failed podcast host

I’d bet you’d never had Orient’s favoured podcast for half a season on your cv either.

For future ref, it’s one of the most enjoyable things I’ve done, which has got me on the radio, lead to career opportunities within audio and sparked a life long passion for podcasts and podcasting.

But you probably knew that as you “don’t like making anyone feel like sh*t” so I assume it wasn’t meant to be insulting.

My experience is mainly playing. Had 2 seasons in the Conference as it was known then before work & family matters, meant I had to drop a couple of levels. So I understand the game & the people in it a bit more than most. Just think it's extremely flippant to be critical all of the time. I honestly believe with a clean slate The O's will challenge for play offs next year. This season was always going to be rough after last summers events. If you fail to understand that I pity you.

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:13 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:26 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:56 am Tuff the owner clearly referred to orient fans in a degrotary inference in an interview in podcast because fans have a different view to his

I mean just because he got enough money invested hoping for a return one day it does not mean he knows much about football particularly as he a foreign national brought up in another country

Is he not entitled to an Optimistic opinion ?
Is the only option to be a miserable pessimist?

Whats a Foreign National got to do with anything
Pele
Maradonna
Pocchetino
Klopp
Etc etc

All would be Foreign Nationals .

Yes they are foreign but tuff you missed the point

It's the lofc interviews made by the principle investor that in his own admission is not English and was raised in USA and initially had know idea on the English type of character - that is used as a reference on this matter

Not Radom football people of a different nationality

Over his time he "moaned " or " had an alternative" view about his exapectations not being met

He has " moaned" about the way we have draws as in USA there are no draws - there is a winner and loser

It's ok to have a different view.

Tell me it's really the party listening or reading that defines the difference between a view or a moan

It's all very subjective - best call them for any one opinion rather than a moan mate

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:13 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:26 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:56 am Tuff the owner clearly referred to orient fans in a degrotary inference in an interview in podcast because fans have a different view to his

I mean just because he got enough money invested hoping for a return one day it does not mean he knows much about football particularly as he a foreign national brought up in another country

Is he not entitled to an Optimistic opinion ?
Is the only option to be a miserable pessimist?

Whats a Foreign National got to do with anything
Pele
Maradonna
Pocchetino
Klopp
Etc etc

All would be Foreign Nationals .

Yes they are foreign but tuff you missed the point

It's the lofc interviews made by the principle investor that in his own admission is not English and was raised in USA and initially had know idea on the English type of character - that is used as a reference on this matter

Not Radom football people of a different nationality

Over his time he "moaned " or " had an alternative" view about his exapectations not being met

He has " moaned" about the way we have draws as in USA there are no draws - there is a winner and loser

It's ok to have a different view.

Tell me it's really the party listening or reading that defines the difference between a view or a moan

It's all very subjective - best call them for any one opinion rather than a moan mate

O my gawd wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:53 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:40 pm

O my gawd wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:34 pm

I've never been a failed podcast host

I’d bet you’d never had Orient’s favoured podcast for half a season on your cv either.

For future ref, it’s one of the most enjoyable things I’ve done, which has got me on the radio, lead to career opportunities within audio and sparked a life long passion for podcasts and podcasting.

But you probably knew that as you “don’t like making anyone feel like sh*t” so I assume it wasn’t meant to be insulting.

My experience is mainly playing. Had 2 seasons in the Conference as it was known then before work & family matters, meant I had to drop a couple of levels. So I understand the game & the people in it a bit more than most. Just think it's extremely flippant to be critical all of the time. I honestly believe with a clean slate The O's will challenge for play offs next year. This season was always going to be rough after last summers events. If you fail to understand that I pity you.

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:31 am

O my gawd wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:53 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:40 pm

I’d bet you’d never had Orient’s favoured podcast for half a season on your cv either.

For future ref, it’s one of the most enjoyable things I’ve done, which has got me on the radio, lead to career opportunities within audio and sparked a life long passion for podcasts and podcasting.

But you probably knew that as you “don’t like making anyone feel like sh*t” so I assume it wasn’t meant to be insulting.

My experience is mainly playing. Had 2 seasons in the Conference as it was known then before work & family matters, meant I had to drop a couple of levels. So I understand the game & the people in it a bit more than most. Just think it's extremely flippant to be critical all of the time. I honestly believe with a clean slate The O's will challenge for play offs next year. This season was always going to be rough after last summers events. If you fail to understand that I pity you.

Which club and when?

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:22 pm Did you play with Steve Finnan then?

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:51 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:51 am 1st point
Blathering is very different to babbling .

2nd point
The P.I has stated categorically that this season reaoly has become a free hit becuase of the
early summer tragedy to befall the Great Man.

Move along now .

Really is very different to "reaoly"

Move along now tuff- think we now have concluded fletcher has a higher grade football career and cv than Ross "the boss" and if he had been given any encouragement from Ling that resembles what Ross got, fletcher would not know be back employed at a premier club but still with us in league two

I wondering tuff had you ever considered that fletcher technical ability as a coach contained methods of instructions and playing that Ling and Ross just could not grasp as Ross not being an ex player and Ling football career was really playing generally at a lower level and hence they took the easy way out and pulled the plug

RedO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:30 am It's not 'moaning', it's highlighting the lack of experience in the group as a collective. I'm sure they're all grateful of the chance but it's not fair on them.

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:51 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:51 am 1st point
Blathering is very different to babbling .

2nd point
The P.I has stated categorically that this season reaoly has become a free hit becuase of the
early summer tragedy to befall the Great Man.

Move along now .

Really is very different to "reaoly"

Move along now tuff- think we now have concluded fletcher has a higher grade football career and cv than Ross "the boss" and if he had been given any encouragement from Ling that resembles what Ross got, fletcher would not know be back employed at a premier club but still with us in league two

I wondering tuff had you ever considered that fletcher technical ability as a coach contained methods of instructions and playing that Ling and Ross just could not grasp as Ross not being an ex player and Ling football career was really playing generally at a lower level and hence they took the easy way out and pulled the plug

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:26 pm I can think of at least 10 as well. What’s the issue with that?

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:48 am

DuvB wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:15 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:51 am

Really is very different to "reaoly"

Move along now tuff- think we now have concluded fletcher has a higher grade football career and cv than Ross "the boss" and if he had been given any encouragement from Ling that resembles what Ross got, fletcher would not know be back employed at a premier club but still with us in league two

I wondering tuff had you ever considered that fletcher technical ability as a coach contained methods of instructions and playing that Ling and Ross just could not grasp as Ross not being an ex player and Ling football career was really playing generally at a lower level and hence they took the easy way out and pulled the plug

Fletcher patently had playing ability to a very high level but to come in and within his first 29 days, produce a list of 10 people (players + coaches?) that he wanted to get rid off showed that he really had no idea of the realities and practicalities of running a professional football club. The man was stupid but so were the club in appointing him in the first place.

Yes I agree partially to a point It Is futile me or tuff continuing this theme
I believe the club have a systematic way of replacing players based on their contracts in place. Yes I agree if fletcher produced a list and recommended or desired the people on it were replaced without understanding how Lofc do tend to honour contracts then that was not good.

My final comment on this subject and my hypothesis is that he obviously produced a list of names as travis stated and the club were suprised of some if the names on the list however the evidence since then on interviews is Lofc have as an management entity a process that names players that are capable of playing in league one / two / and those not capable in the future - PI confirmed this which included in the matrix the phrase "probable and possible"

They do nothing different to what fletcher alleged and did produce a list the only difference is fletcher must of been most determined to improve the team quicker than the contracts in place would allow - thus a load of money being wasted in non productive costs transfering /loans out/ or termination - by buying up contract value.

Further a person like fletcher must be very determined character to achieve his playing career and he in his recent Bournmouth newspaper did reveal he was suprised that he was fired after such a short time and further people he relied on to assist him just did not act in a faithful manner.

It is a real travesty for everyone what happened my main beef was not Ross being promoted in the end but the lack of assistance fletcher appears to of received whilst here particularly with Ling doing a latent investigation after ten days instead of having the balls or bottle to be straight up with fletcher and assist him in his new job and the way he laughed and swore in the QA demeaning fletcher like trash

Ling may be a great chum and a great father and husband but on this particular matter he failed and compounded his own failure with no empathy to fletcher

But Ling bends over backwards to support Ross to the point that it's rather obscene as a impartial third party watching from the fan point of view the difference and the way Ling has over emphasised Ross coaching expierence since the age of 16 saying Ross has been a coach for 22 years (most of that not being a pro first team but kids at different ages )and then enhancing it further using the words brilliant if some one is brilliant in any field their cv and production of results indicate that.

End of.