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EH16 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:50 pm

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:11 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:00 pm Well good for them and this new baby will make them and many other people happy. For me though, I think the days of needing Kings and Queens are long gone. Hundreds of years ago they were the leaders of this Country and members of the Royalty would often lead their troops out the battle. IMO, time has moved on and nowadays it would seem that they are mainly just there for tourists and ceremonial reasons, that coupled with all the pomp and tradition involved. It would not worry me one minute if the present Queen was the last Monarch of Uk and the Commonwealth. Perhaps a more streamlined and up to date monarchy would suit me far better where they lived more modest and normal lives in less lavish accommodation etc.

In the past Sid I was of the same opinion as your self, however now I understand the need to keep traditions Royalty or otherwise together it is the fabric of our country and history, why are people so concerned about trying to Destabilise the fabric of our society

why are people so concerned about trying to Destabilise the fabric of our society - Because it's a step towards breaking down the entrenched power and privilege of the 'ruling' classes, most of whom obtain this by nothing other than an accident of birth and not because of any merit they have as individuals.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:12 pm

EH16 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:50 pm

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:11 pm

In the past Sid I was of the same opinion as your self, however now I understand the need to keep traditions Royalty or otherwise together it is the fabric of our country and history, why are people so concerned about trying to Destabilise the fabric of our society

why are people so concerned about trying to Destabilise the fabric of our society - Because it's a step towards breaking down the entrenched power and privilege of the 'ruling' classes, most of whom obtain this by nothing other than an accident of birth and not because of any merit they have as individuals.

@EH16
Even now, hundreds of years after the use of slavery in the British Empire was abolished in 1833. Even now, many of the wealthiest families in UK owe their immense wealth to those long ago times of sugar trading and plantations which used slaves. Several banks can trace their origins to the financing of the slave trade. Apart from the Barclays Brothers, we also know of Barings and HSBC which can be traced back to Thomas Leyland’s banking house. The Bank of England also had close connections to the trade. Hundreds of Britain’s great houses were built with the wealth of slavery and the Church of England also acknowledges its pecuniary gains from slavery. When slavery was abolished, the ex slave owners were given large compensation by the british government. As many as one-fifth of wealthy Victorian Britons derived all or part of their fortunes from the slave economy. As a result, there are now wealthy families all around the UK still indirectly enjoying the proceeds of slavery where it has been passed on to them. Among those who benefited from slavery are ancestors of George Orwell and poet Elizabeth Barrett Browning. Amongst the many involved in plantations and the slave trade who claimed compensation was John Gladstone, the father of 19th-century Liberal Party prime minister William Gladstone. He received £106,769 (modern equivalent £83m) for the 2,508 slaves he owned across nine plantations. His son, who served as prime minister four times during his 60-year career, was heavily involved in his father's claim.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:12 pm

EH16 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:50 pm

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:11 pm

In the past Sid I was of the same opinion as your self, however now I understand the need to keep traditions Royalty or otherwise together it is the fabric of our country and history, why are people so concerned about trying to Destabilise the fabric of our society

why are people so concerned about trying to Destabilise the fabric of our society - Because it's a step towards breaking down the entrenched power and privilege of the 'ruling' classes, most of whom obtain this by nothing other than an accident of birth and not because of any merit they have as individuals.

@EH16
Hundreds of years after the use of slavery in the British Empire was abolished in 1833, even now, many of the wealthiest families in UK owe their immense wealth to those long ago times of sugar trading and plantations which used slaves. Several banks can trace their origins to the financing of the slave trade. Apart from the Barclays Brothers, we also know of Barings and HSBC which can be traced back to Thomas Leyland’s banking house. The Bank of England also had close connections to the trade. Hundreds of Britain’s great houses were built with the wealth of slavery and the Church of England also acknowledges its pecuniary gains from slavery. When slavery was abolished, the ex slave owners were given large compensation by the british government. As many as one-fifth of wealthy Victorian Britons derived all or part of their fortunes from the slave economy. As a result, there are now wealthy families all around the UK still indirectly enjoying the proceeds of slavery where it has been passed on to them. Among those who benefited from slavery are ancestors of George Orwell and poet Elizabeth Barrett Browning. Amongst the many involved in plantations and the slave trade who claimed compensation was John Gladstone, the father of 19th-century Liberal Party prime minister William Gladstone. He received £106,769 (modern equivalent £83m) for the 2,508 slaves he owned across nine plantations. His son, who served as prime minister four times during his 60-year career, was heavily involved in his father's claim.

EH16 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 7:21 am

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:12 pm

EH16 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:50 pm

why are people so concerned about trying to Destabilise the fabric of our society - Because it's a step towards breaking down the entrenched power and privilege of the 'ruling' classes, most of whom obtain this by nothing other than an accident of birth and not because of any merit they have as individuals.

@EH16
Hundreds of years after the use of slavery in the British Empire was abolished in 1833, even now, many of the wealthiest families in UK owe their immense wealth to those long ago times of sugar trading and plantations which used slaves. Several banks can trace their origins to the financing of the slave trade. Apart from the Barclays Brothers, we also know of Barings and HSBC which can be traced back to Thomas Leyland’s banking house. The Bank of England also had close connections to the trade. Hundreds of Britain’s great houses were built with the wealth of slavery and the Church of England also acknowledges its pecuniary gains from slavery. When slavery was abolished, the ex slave owners were given large compensation by the british government. As many as one-fifth of wealthy Victorian Britons derived all or part of their fortunes from the slave economy. As a result, there are now wealthy families all around the UK still indirectly enjoying the proceeds of slavery where it has been passed on to them. Among those who benefited from slavery are ancestors of George Orwell and poet Elizabeth Barrett Browning. Amongst the many involved in plantations and the slave trade who claimed compensation was John Gladstone, the father of 19th-century Liberal Party prime minister William Gladstone. He received £106,769 (modern equivalent £83m) for the 2,508 slaves he owned across nine plantations. His son, who served as prime minister four times during his 60-year career, was heavily involved in his father's claim.

Thanks but the history lesson wasn't at all needed. All stuff I was already well aware of and simply reinforces my point about smashing unearned class privilege.

West Side Story wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:52 pm Just gave Miss Day a thread of her own. She has sung her way into the hearts of all Football Fans in the UK. We must give her a rousing chorus at Wembley.

West Side Story wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 4:42 pm Appreciate the sentiment but have merged your post into this thread here..........................................................So you have effectively buried my thread. Great! I bet most of our younger readers don't realise that Miss Day popularised the one song that English fans love to sing when they they feel that they are Wembley bound. Particularly galling when that is where we are going in 6 days time. A little power can be a dangerous thing. Well done the immoderators.

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:36 am Vinnie Jones wife has died of cancer aged 53.