Off My Chest

[Howling Mad Murdock]

They're much bigger clubs than us and had the advantage of not being run into the ground by mad italians.

I didn't realise T+T were Italian.

[ComeOnYouOs]

They're much bigger clubs than us and had the advantage of not being run into the ground by mad italians.

They were not bigger clubs than us when we were playing each other. Brighton didnt have a proper ground for years, and bournemouth had a transfer embargo on them for a long time

[BigDaddyO]

It wasnt that long ago, that we were playing Bournemouth & Brighton on a regular basis in League 1 and in league 2, now theyre both in the Premier League.
Only 5 years ago we were playing Brentford, in league 1, now they are 4th in the championship, & have the possibility of going up to the Premier League.
The op wants us all to be grateful for being a struggling league 2 side thats probably safe, because Bury were thrown out the league, and Stevenage are the worst league team for years
Our owners have no intention of ever getting us to the Premier League, or even The Championship.....they are happy to see us as a league 1 club.
Bournemouth and Brighton has ambition...something our owners lack
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I think we should be grateful for being a League 2 side at the moment, a couple of years ago we were 19th in the National League.

But I don't think we shouldn't be grateful for being a League 2 side for very long - if we are back in a relegation scrap next season the owners should be asked some hard questions, but considering that we have just been promoted and undergone significant and unforeseeable upheaval over the closed season, to stay up is all we were ever aiming for this season and we have achieved that.

I think the owners have a realistic amount of ambition for a club of our size. Regardless of our history, in modern footballing terms we should probably spend most of out time around the middle of League 1, occasionally flirting with promotion or relegation. I would absolutely love to see us in the Championship or higher, but I think the odds of that happening in the next 5 or 10 years are marginal.

I'm not convinced that Bournemouth or Brighton are reasonable comparisons, sure we played them a bit going back a few years but they have the luxury of being the only clubs in large and densely populated catchment areas, not to mention their owners are seriously wealthy. I'm pretty sure Tony Bloom is a certified billionaire, and the Russian guy at Bournemouth must be on a fair wedge. Also, when we were playing them those clubs were at low ebbs, with Bournemouth in administration and Brighton at that horrible athletics ground.

Didn't we have an owner quite recently who said his ambition was to get us into the Premier League and Europe? I seem to recall it didn't go that well...

[Long slender neck]

They're much bigger clubs than us and had the advantage of not being run into the ground by mad italians.

They were not bigger clubs than us when we were playing each other. Brighton didnt have a proper ground for years, and bournemouth had a transfer embargo on them for a long time

i didnt realise Bournemouth ad such low attendances actually. Still, you cant be unhappy just because they've had the fortune to go up the leagues and we havent.

[Thor]

Coyos I do believe that they are ambitious and the championship is the long term aim. However, they want to build towards it with hopefully a sustainable business to support the football club, hence why kent and nigel say promotion every 3/4 years.

Bigdaddyo, we the fans were on such a massive high after what Justin achieved and his family and our club were dealt the cruellest of lows. The issue with the fans moaning is primary one of care, one of not wanting to see Justin's legacy thrown away, one of not wanting to drop back down the league once more. It's called caring. People can see we have made some massive errors this season and whilst you may not like it most have been caused by decisons made by Ling. Sure he made some good ones in the past and full credit to that, but when it's bad he has to accept the negative things the fans will say as well.

[RedDwarf 1881]

After being in the National League and what it took to get back , I absolutely will never complain about being stuck in League Two ever again . If we can get back to League One than fantastic but IMO, it takes as long as it takes.

[Mugla]

The opening post sums up my thoughts exactly.
Well said.

[Max B Gold]

The opening post sums up my thoughts exactly.
Well said.

Hi Kent. How's it hanging buddy?

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Hi everyone,

I don't post on here too much but I regularly read this forum and I just wanted to say something: I have never seen such a pessimistic board in all my life.

Have people forgotten that just 3 years ago we were being run into the ground? No one attending the games really cared that we were being relegated to the non-league after 112 successive years of league football, our concerns were for the very existence of our club - and rightly so. I'm sure that all of you, like me, can remember exactly where you were when the news came through of the Travis & Teague takeover, and how much relief and joy we all felt.

Fast forward a few years and we have bounced back from the non-league in just 2 years - an amazing feat considering we barely had any players at the start of the 2018/19 season, and had two owners broadly inexperienced when it comes to owning a football club. Just look at some clubs comparable to Orient: Wrexham (currently 'enjoying' their 12th or 13th successive season in the conference), Chesterfield (staring down the barrel of the National League North), Hartlepool (mid-table national league fodder), and many others (York, Stockport, Notts County, Hereford, etc.). Nigel and Kent's plan was communicated clearly - we would return to the football league in a maximum of 5 years, we did it in 2. Not to mention that last season was fantastic - we finished as champions, won most of our games and enjoyed some truly memorable matches (0 - 2 away at Wrexham anyone?).

Now we find ourselves comfortably safe in League 2, with the 4th highest home attendance in the division - we are beginning to bring through some fine youth players after our academy was crippled a few years ago, and can start building for next season where we look likely to be top half and possibly threatening the play-offs.

Yet the majority of posts on here just complain angrily about Embleton playing someone slightly out of position, or how Ling never signs anyone good, or how the owners should sell up and go. These strike me as the kind of people who are never happy, who's only solace and joy in life is to complain and moan, who only think about what's immediately in front of them instead of the bigger picture.

Yes, Ross is unlikely to win the manager of the year award, sure Ling signs up a dud at about the same rate he finds someone decent, and I agree that it can be frustrating to see some of our best players played in strange positions or formations, but in the grand scheme of things the last couple of years should be celebrated and will surely go down in the history of the club as the beginning of our revival, not as some would have you believe, the Orient apocalypse.

That's all really, I just had to get that off my chest because objectively, we are a fantastic club, in a great position to push onward and upwards, and we have an awful lot to be happy and grateful for.

So when you see posts on here next week calling for Embleton and Ling's heads because we conceded a goal, or because someone had a poor game, I recommend you just ignore them, instead of feeding their childish rage by responding. Yes we have a right as paying supporters to complain when things are going badly (though I suspect many of the more criminal moaners on here don't actually attend games...), but things are not going badly, not right now, not by a long stretch.

Up The Os.

It wasnt that long ago, that we were playing Bournemouth & Brighton on a regular basis in League 1 and in league 2, now theyre both in the Premier League.
Only 5 years ago we were playing Brentford, in league 1, now they are 4th in the championship, & have the possibility of going up to the Premier League.
The op wants us all to be grateful for being a struggling league 2 side thats probably safe, because Bury were thrown out the league, and Stevenage are the worst league team for years
Our owners have no intention of ever getting us to the Premier League, or even The Championship.....they are happy to see us as a league 1 club.
Bournemouth and Brighton has ambition...something our owners lack

Don't agree at all that the owners have no intention of us getting to the Championship. They just have a different timetable as you do.

As far as our position this season goes, let's pretend that two clubs still are going down. Let's also pretend Macclesfield were financially run as well as Orient and therefore hadn't had a points deduction.

Orient would still be a massive 8 points clear of relegation with several teams inbetween. So your claim that we're probably safe because Bury were thrown out (as a result of not being as well run financially as Orient) and Stevenage are the worst league team for years is just totally untrue and a classic case of you spouting any nonsense to attempt to support your poorly thought out opinions.

[ComeOnYouOs]

Hi everyone,

I don't post on here too much but I regularly read this forum and I just wanted to say something: I have never seen such a pessimistic board in all my life.

Have people forgotten that just 3 years ago we were being run into the ground? No one attending the games really cared that we were being relegated to the non-league after 112 successive years of league football, our concerns were for the very existence of our club - and rightly so. I'm sure that all of you, like me, can remember exactly where you were when the news came through of the Travis & Teague takeover, and how much relief and joy we all felt.

Fast forward a few years and we have bounced back from the non-league in just 2 years - an amazing feat considering we barely had any players at the start of the 2018/19 season, and had two owners broadly inexperienced when it comes to owning a football club. Just look at some clubs comparable to Orient: Wrexham (currently 'enjoying' their 12th or 13th successive season in the conference), Chesterfield (staring down the barrel of the National League North), Hartlepool (mid-table national league fodder), and many others (York, Stockport, Notts County, Hereford, etc.). Nigel and Kent's plan was communicated clearly - we would return to the football league in a maximum of 5 years, we did it in 2. Not to mention that last season was fantastic - we finished as champions, won most of our games and enjoyed some truly memorable matches (0 - 2 away at Wrexham anyone?).

Now we find ourselves comfortably safe in League 2, with the 4th highest home attendance in the division - we are beginning to bring through some fine youth players after our academy was crippled a few years ago, and can start building for next season where we look likely to be top half and possibly threatening the play-offs.

Yet the majority of posts on here just complain angrily about Embleton playing someone slightly out of position, or how Ling never signs anyone good, or how the owners should sell up and go. These strike me as the kind of people who are never happy, who's only solace and joy in life is to complain and moan, who only think about what's immediately in front of them instead of the bigger picture.

Yes, Ross is unlikely to win the manager of the year award, sure Ling signs up a dud at about the same rate he finds someone decent, and I agree that it can be frustrating to see some of our best players played in strange positions or formations, but in the grand scheme of things the last couple of years should be celebrated and will surely go down in the history of the club as the beginning of our revival, not as some would have you believe, the Orient apocalypse.

That's all really, I just had to get that off my chest because objectively, we are a fantastic club, in a great position to push onward and upwards, and we have an awful lot to be happy and grateful for.

So when you see posts on here next week calling for Embleton and Ling's heads because we conceded a goal, or because someone had a poor game, I recommend you just ignore them, instead of feeding their childish rage by responding. Yes we have a right as paying supporters to complain when things are going badly (though I suspect many of the more criminal moaners on here don't actually attend games...), but things are not going badly, not right now, not by a long stretch.

Up The Os.

It wasnt that long ago, that we were playing Bournemouth & Brighton on a regular basis in League 1 and in league 2, now theyre both in the Premier League.
Only 5 years ago we were playing Brentford, in league 1, now they are 4th in the championship, & have the possibility of going up to the Premier League.
The op wants us all to be grateful for being a struggling league 2 side thats probably safe, because Bury were thrown out the league, and Stevenage are the worst league team for years
Our owners have no intention of ever getting us to the Premier League, or even The Championship.....they are happy to see us as a league 1 club.
Bournemouth and Brighton has ambition...something our owners lack

Don't agree at all that the owners have no intention of us getting to the Championship. They just have a different timetable as you do.

As far as our position this season goes, let's pretend that two clubs still are going down. Let's also pretend Macclesfield were financially run as well as Orient and therefore hadn't had a points deduction.

Orient would still be a massive 8 points clear of relegation with several teams inbetween. So your claim that we're probably safe because Bury were thrown out (as a result of not being as well run financially as Orient) and Stevenage are the worst league team for years is just totally untrue and a classic case of you spouting any nonsense to attempt to support your poorly thought out opinions.

I wondered how long it would take for you to be on my case once again.
I talk complete sense, and its you who dont do thought out replies
Its my opinion, given on a forum.
Deal with it!!!!

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

It wasnt that long ago, that we were playing Bournemouth & Brighton on a regular basis in League 1 and in league 2, now theyre both in the Premier League.
Only 5 years ago we were playing Brentford, in league 1, now they are 4th in the championship, & have the possibility of going up to the Premier League.
The op wants us all to be grateful for being a struggling league 2 side thats probably safe, because Bury were thrown out the league, and Stevenage are the worst league team for years
Our owners have no intention of ever getting us to the Premier League, or even The Championship.....they are happy to see us as a league 1 club.
Bournemouth and Brighton has ambition...something our owners lack

Don't agree at all that the owners have no intention of us getting to the Championship. They just have a different timetable as you do.

As far as our position this season goes, let's pretend that two clubs still are going down. Let's also pretend Macclesfield were financially run as well as Orient and therefore hadn't had a points deduction.

Orient would still be a massive 8 points clear of relegation with several teams inbetween. So your claim that we're probably safe because Bury were thrown out (as a result of not being as well run financially as Orient) and Stevenage are the worst league team for years is just totally untrue and a classic case of you spouting any nonsense to attempt to support your poorly thought out opinions.

I wondered how long it would take for you to be on my case once again.
I talk complete sense, and its you who dont do thought out replies
Its my opinion, given on a forum.
Deal with it!!!!

See this is it - your posts are driven by emotion and anger rather than a thought out approach. If you think you're talking sense after your point has been so easily disproved then you're delluded. You might be entitled to an opinion, but facts always trump opinions. You don't seem to understand that though.

[Disoriented]

What a long winded way of saying “I don’t like it that people have different opinions to me on an online forum”

If I don’t like how Embleton is managing the team then I’ll say so. The fact that the club nearly went bust a few years ago is irrelevant.

This idea that moaning about Leyton Orient on a Leyton Orient message board is unacceptable is, quite frankly, bizarre.

Thought you werent posting anymore?

He won’t be bullied off to satisfy your thirst to persecute those who don’t follow your absurd views.

[ContrifibulatoryFred]

Embleford OUT

[Long slender neck]

What a long winded way of saying “I don’t like it that people have different opinions to me on an online forum”

If I don’t like how Embleton is managing the team then I’ll say so. The fact that the club nearly went bust a few years ago is irrelevant.

This idea that moaning about Leyton Orient on a Leyton Orient message board is unacceptable is, quite frankly, bizarre.

Thought you werent posting anymore?

He won’t be bullied off to satisfy your thirst to persecute those who don’t follow your absurd views.

WTF?

[Walthamsto]

I am with Big Daddy on this. Good thread.

[Fanny]

What a long winded way of saying “I don’t like it that people have different opinions to me on an online forum”

If I don’t like how Embleton is managing the team then I’ll say so. The fact that the club nearly went bust a few years ago is irrelevant.

This idea that moaning about Leyton Orient on a Leyton Orient message board is unacceptable is, quite frankly, bizarre.

Thought you werent posting anymore?

He won’t be bullied off to satisfy your thirst to persecute those who don’t follow your absurd views.

The day I feel like i’m being bullied by basement dwellers on a Leyton Orient message board is the day I give up on life.

My gripe is that the mods on here are happy for this place to be used by certain trolls to go around boosting their fragile ego by insulting strangers on this forum. Even allowing them to do it using multiple accounts.

Just ruins what should be a decent message board.

PW is just a bit salty because I question his effectiveness as a mod. I don’t think it has anything to do with me having different opinions to him.

Funnily enough I used to think he was doing a decent job of moderating this board up until he banned me for complaining when another user called me a c*** on a thread. the moderation of this place is all over the place and seems to be based entirely on the personal whims of PW. No consistency or coherent policy whatsoever.

[Lucky7]