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Not sure what you mean?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:39 pmYep. Nothing wrong with a bit of churn, though I suspect that's not why you won't be upset
Maybe he means too young in experience .Luna Tic wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:01 pmToo young ? They are the same age !tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:59 pmRoss said he didnt want to be manager under these circumstances. He obviously changed his mindLuna Tic wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:54 pm Best the club puts this to bed quickly if he has been dismissed, otherwise it'll be like the old days. Seems much turbulence since the Fletcher cock up .
Arguments disagreements on tactics probably. Ross never wanted to be a manager, Webby made it very clear along time ago that he did, so I can understand how he might be a little niggled, but it's all hearsay right now . Odd though his dissapearence and Brill sitting in his place
Webby said it was right Ross should be given 1st go as
He felt he was to young & wanted to be more invilved with development of youth .
I can't say I saw any quote or comment from Webby
I mean I don't mind if coaching staff move on every few years. Good to have fresh ideas and fresh voices. I knew this wouldn't be behind your reasoning though.RedO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:05 pmNot sure what you mean?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:39 pmYep. Nothing wrong with a bit of churn, though I suspect that's not why you won't be upset
I’ve always had him down as bit of a chancer getting by on his old mans rep. That’s all.
That's actually a good point that backs up my view. But RedO is also right that if you have someone doing a very good job there's no point binning them off for the sake of it though.
Has the Rumour been confirmed then ?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:34 pmThat's actually a good point that backs up my view. But RedO is also right that if you have someone doing a very good job there's no point binning them off for the sake of it though.
No clue. Guess we will hear whether Webb has left The Club or not within the next few days, but perhaps not the reason.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:40 pmHas the Rumour been confirmed then ?Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:34 pmThat's actually a good point that backs up my view. But RedO is also right that if you have someone doing a very good job there's no point binning them off for the sake of it though.
If it was down to any issue with Fletcher he'd have been fired back then.UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:54 pmSFSmendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:20 pmThis rumour was also in the match thread. Someone straight away turned it around and suggested the rumour was wrong and that Webb may have walked because he doesn't like bias towards Embleton.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:15 pm Something for the moaners:
Anybody else hear this today?
Heard a few reasons for it Inc slagging off the board and undermining Ross.
Didn't see him in the dugout.
He was probably on a warning from his unprofessionalism during the Fletcher weeks so if there has been another breach the club are right to get rid.
Reality could just be that he was unwell and hence not there today
That person was me. You misread my initial post by your first comment then developed the error of interpretation.
Let's get it straight - simply there was just rumours in the other thread and I was suggesting alternative reasons for his departure which i used the word "may" -included alternative reasons :
1. Sacking - if he had a fight with Fletcher
2. Frustration of watching a co worker being promoted DUE to the BIAS of a boss ML.
You answer my comment was biased how can it be biased if I was suggesting what I and others have consistently thought - ie Ross being upgraded because Martin sees him as his a person that he known for 22years classified him as a brilliant coach and he has been coaching since he was 16.
Ml says RE also if he fails (in a interview which you can watch) he does not want him to get rid of him.
On the other hand we have no comment or genuine clarification from ML in his stupid QA presentation of informing the public after his "investigation"- he offered no opportunity or failsafe net or for Carl Fletcher to rectify whatever CF was not doing to ML satisfaction
If ML was not biased and remains biased to his young friend being put in as a manager lofc would not be in this league position
I am just one of many that see as it so clear
I was on about HRH ginger one !!
Know She HRH FergieHowling Mad Murdock wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:20 pmOh Matt Harrold.IC.
What you should accept is that the don't understand what bias is and to try to put that right. And I haven't used "Best" or "brilliant" in the post you are replying to, so it's odd that you raise thatUpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:15 pm I will just have to accept we both see it with the word "biased"differently
Ml is biased towards RE - that is the prime reason he upgraded him in the circumstances that have occurred - biased defined as ML preference in an environment where Ross initially said he did not want the job and gave clear reasons. The whole process or saga is well documented
I disagree on your word "best" in your narrative. "Best / brilliant" are both subjective words.
I wasn’t one of the people calling for Danny to be given the head coaches job. But I do agree their is a bias where Ross the boss is concerned with ling. he is looking after him like a father figure would. There is no way you can tell me he was the best person for the job, a job he didn’t want just five weeks ago. He is not a head coach, he is a glorified boy puppet of the master.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:44 amWhat you should accept is that the don't understand what bias is and to try to put that right. And I haven't used "Best" or "brilliant" in the post you are replying to, so it's odd that you raise thatUpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:15 pm I will just have to accept we both see it with the word "biased"differently
Ml is biased towards RE - that is the prime reason he upgraded him in the circumstances that have occurred - biased defined as ML preference in an environment where Ross initially said he did not want the job and gave clear reasons. The whole process or saga is well documented
I disagree on your word "best" in your narrative. "Best / brilliant" are both subjective words.
Ling promoted Embleton based on seniority within the coaching staff, which is not bias. That doesn't mean that we were right not to bring in an experienced manager to be our head coach though. It just means that the most senior person on the staff got the job after deciding he wanted to be the head coach permanently and agreeing a new contract to do so.
You also can't compare treatment of Embleton to Fletcher - everything about his few weeks in charge were just a disaster, whereas the players are responding better to Embleton than they did to Fletcher, even if we haven't been getting results. It would have been easier for the club not to have binned him off after a few weeks for many reasons.
I haven't said he was the best man for the job anywhere. He clearly did want the job if he signed a new contract to accept it - doubt anyone held a gun to his head. Ling was obviously going to offer to him as the most senior out of the staff. He's clearly also going to mentor him in this position and help him to develop as a head coach. Sure all will admit he has a way to go to develop the necessary skills.Thor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:18 amI wasn’t one of the people calling for Danny to be given the head coaches job. But I do agree their is a bias where Ross the boss is concerned with ling. he is looking after him like a father figure would. There is no way you can tell me he was the best person for the job, a job he didn’t want just five weeks ago. He is not a head coach, he is a glorified boy puppet of the master.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:44 amWhat you should accept is that the don't understand what bias is and to try to put that right. And I haven't used "Best" or "brilliant" in the post you are replying to, so it's odd that you raise thatUpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:15 pm I will just have to accept we both see it with the word "biased"differently
Ml is biased towards RE - that is the prime reason he upgraded him in the circumstances that have occurred - biased defined as ML preference in an environment where Ross initially said he did not want the job and gave clear reasons. The whole process or saga is well documented
I disagree on your word "best" in your narrative. "Best / brilliant" are both subjective words.
Ling promoted Embleton based on seniority within the coaching staff, which is not bias. That doesn't mean that we were right not to bring in an experienced manager to be our head coach though. It just means that the most senior person on the staff got the job after deciding he wanted to be the head coach permanently and agreeing a new contract to do so.
You also can't compare treatment of Embleton to Fletcher - everything about his few weeks in charge were just a disaster, whereas the players are responding better to Embleton than they did to Fletcher, even if we haven't been getting results. It would have been easier for the club not to have binned him off after a few weeks for many reasons.
It will end messy, and it will cost Ross his job and lings as well.
Ross worked as a number 2 with the same players and the same coaching set up. This whole stability arguement that means Ross will be a good manager is nonsense. He's failed twice at the job and has been rewarded with a permanent contract. What other job does that happen in?Thor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:39 am But he said he was not going to say he wanted the job now as that would be ridiculous when reappointed to the interim role. Ling has worked and pressured him in to believing he could do the job, thus exonerating him from having to find a manager who could do the job, and failing once more in finding us that person.
Davis failed
Justin an absolute legend
Embleton as interim failed
Fletch failed
Embleton as interim failed
Embleton as head coach the jury is out
Ling is scared to fail once more. I bet some of these players in the lists of 10 per role did not want to come due to all the uncertainty around the club and the head coach role. Also many would not want to play for lingleton either.
Correlation not equal to causation in this case I think
