Independent Leyton Orient Forum

eagwgw wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:15 am If a fan wrote that, the apologists would be slagging him for being entitled, and to remember that our manager died before the season began.

I can see why he wrote it. It must be more frustrating for him, given he has invested millions into the club.

But he notes that public displays of disappointment often have the opposite effect of what he intended, and isn't this a public display of disappointment?

I don't think Nigel would have said something like this. His style would be to take collective responsibility, like he did with Fletcher even though much of that could not be his fault, the board would just go with Lingy's recommendations.

The coaching staff and players would read Teague and think the geezer has no understanding of what is going on. It seems implausible as a fan to be suffering 'hurt' or 'hardship' or 'suffering', yet if we were 4 points better off in the League (which would put us 14th), there would not be these feelings.

On reflection I think these terms are wrong. Justin's family, that's hurt and hardship. A few points off a mid-table position or some crap performances is not. Disappointing maybe, but if I were the owners I would not be feeling hurt, either the coaches improve or we get someone else, it is simple.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:05 pm Cryptic Kent is back, and as used to be the case, only the smartest ones can decode what's he's really saying...

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:21 am Yeah, the thing about some people think we will be relegated every year is a bit of an overreaction. But remember in summer 2018 (the summer before the promotion season) we had fans threatening to no longer support the club as they didn't like the new kit.

Appreciate that this is a results business, but I imagine his frustration relates to us being at a higher level and fans not calibrating expectations based on that. Particularly as the leadership have had longer term plans that they want to work to which are not as appealing to fans. This season has definitely not been a good one and we have made some very poor decisions, but some of the hysteria is way over the top.

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:14 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:21 am Yeah, the thing about some people think we will be relegated every year is a bit of an overreaction. But remember in summer 2018 (the summer before the promotion season) we had fans threatening to no longer support the club as they didn't like the new kit.

Appreciate that this is a results business, but I imagine his frustration relates to us being at a higher level and fans not calibrating expectations based on that. Particularly as the leadership have had longer term plans that they want to work to which are not as appealing to fans. This season has definitely not been a good one and we have made some very poor decisions, but some of the hysteria is way over the top.

I would say not being relegated is the expectation from the vast majority of the fanbase, it would be a disaster and there's no way it could be dressed up any differently.

The one I still don't get is how anyone can categorically, absolutely state we won't be relegated this season. Until the maths says otherwise we've got no more right to stay up than Morecambe, Stevenage or Macclesfield.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:22 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:14 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:21 am Yeah, the thing about some people think we will be relegated every year is a bit of an overreaction. But remember in summer 2018 (the summer before the promotion season) we had fans threatening to no longer support the club as they didn't like the new kit.

Appreciate that this is a results business, but I imagine his frustration relates to us being at a higher level and fans not calibrating expectations based on that. Particularly as the leadership have had longer term plans that they want to work to which are not as appealing to fans. This season has definitely not been a good one and we have made some very poor decisions, but some of the hysteria is way over the top.

I would say not being relegated is the expectation from the vast majority of the fanbase, it would be a disaster and there's no way it could be dressed up any differently.

The one I still don't get is how anyone can categorically, absolutely state we won't be relegated this season. Until the maths says otherwise we've got no more right to stay up than Morecambe, Stevenage or Macclesfield.

This is correct. It's wishful thinking to say we won't be relegated. Our current form is full on relegation stuff.