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Lofctillwedie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:30 pm We play such boring football. People say that you can’t play attacking football in this league but look at Plymouth abs Swindon young managers playing attacking style but with Ross it’s park the bus and nick a point or if your lucky three

Embleton has really took the Hearn mantra of "little Leyton Orient" to heart. Praises every opposition and sets up his side to try and lose by as little as possible, showing no faith in actually trying to go out and bloody win.

Of the two managers he's worked with since the takeover I see far more traits of Davis than anything else. Soundbites the same, lack of ability to inspire players all very familiar.

Four four two wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:43 pm Playing with an intent to win from the start and not playing to avoid defeat, playing with correct formation and team selection, the players we have are good enough to be top ten. (with one decent midfielder) Our position is purely down to a very poor manager who quite frankly is clueless. Sorry Ross, nice guy and all but that is how it is.

We might have that decent midfielder but did he even get on the pitch today. Jake Cassidy signs for Stevenage and makes an immediate impact. That’s the type of impact we needed but we’re not getting it . Edit , Cisse did get on but he's got to now start from the beginning.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:44 pm

Lofctillwedie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:30 pm We play such boring football. People say that you can’t play attacking football in this league but look at Plymouth abs Swindon young managers playing attacking style but with Ross it’s park the bus and nick a point or if your lucky three

Embleton has really took the Hearn mantra of "little Leyton Orient" to heart. Praises every opposition and sets up his side to try and lose by as little as possible, showing no faith in actually trying to go out and bloody win.

Of the two managers he's worked with since the takeover I see far more traits of Davis than anything else. Soundbites the same, lack of ability to inspire players all very familiar.

We’ve got Northampton town Tuesday so night God help us . They just walloped Morcambe 4-1 who beat Port Vale last Tuesday night

Oh and Morcambe beat Port Vale by playing TWO strikers up front.

Cant wait to hear ross post mantch interview

essexfootball wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:02 pm Embleton is wrong but angol is as effective as a chocolate tea pot

Yes yes, we get it.

You’re massively wrong though, so probably best to drop it.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:52 pm

Four four two wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:43 pm Playing with an intent to win from the start and not playing to avoid defeat, playing with correct formation and team selection, the players we have are good enough to be top ten. (with one decent midfielder) Our position is purely down to a very poor manager who quite frankly is clueless. Sorry Ross, nice guy and all but that is how it is.

We might have that decent midfielder but did he even get on the pitch today. Jake Cassidy signs for Stevenage and makes an immediate impact. That’s the type of impact we needed but we’re not getting it .

Yes, Cisse came on.

Was at fault for the goal.

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:03 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:52 pm

Four four two wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:43 pm Playing with an intent to win from the start and not playing to avoid defeat, playing with correct formation and team selection, the players we have are good enough to be top ten. (with one decent midfielder) Our position is purely down to a very poor manager who quite frankly is clueless. Sorry Ross, nice guy and all but that is how it is.

We might have that decent midfielder but did he even get on the pitch today. Jake Cassidy signs for Stevenage and makes an immediate impact. That’s the type of impact we needed but we’re not getting it .

Yes, Cisse came on.

Was at fault for the goal.

So he was an impact sub!

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:03 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:52 pm

Four four two wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:43 pm Playing with an intent to win from the start and not playing to avoid defeat, playing with correct formation and team selection, the players we have are good enough to be top ten. (with one decent midfielder) Our position is purely down to a very poor manager who quite frankly is clueless. Sorry Ross, nice guy and all but that is how it is.

We might have that decent midfielder but did he even get on the pitch today. Jake Cassidy signs for Stevenage and makes an immediate impact. That’s the type of impact we needed but we’re not getting it .

Yes, Cisse came on.

Was at fault for the goal.

Brophy more so, looked like Wright initially but watching back the 16 looks to be the be the one closer to the edge of pitch as the camera pans out. No effort to close down whatsoever.

we said it before Sid dross has no idea

its like some kind of American sector led by Travis and Teague called the dross cult

( everyone outside can see the farce but everyone inside have been brain washed)

They have a head worshipper named Ling and many followers with their propaganda machine of podcasts, meetings twitter and the rest of social media , that you can hear and when you do are full of dross. Its full of gormless answers from the dross cult. And the cult will see no wrong and will spin that we are only 5 points from going back to hell but bobble hats are selling well in the shop. There will be cult guests every week and they will all have the dross plaudits and be so so self happy that they can share this nonsense with the lesser who do not believe

The dross machine goes into full spin about dross being a very nice bloke and a very nice coach , and dross did not want the managers job but he returned to help us all and we should forever be grateful for this unselfish gesture forever . Thank you so much Dross for changing your mind

Very rarely is the cult sector infiltrated , and I can only remember once when a scoundrel named Fletcher nearly exposed the cult but he was dealt swiftly by the lords of the cult - 29 I think

perhaps the best is when we lose which is often and the dross will speak and give an in-depth after match interview and the words and knowledge are so traumatic that they are spell bound and speechless and for get to ask questions like why is brophy wasted by playing at left back - why play angol as a target man - why play wilko as a winger - why did you accept the job - what was the song we used to play when we one a game - cos you are a good coach will you drive it to Barnet next year ?

The cult is in full force

Good news - doh nuts back next match !

Listening to RE’s interview after today’s game makes me think that we may see a change of formation for Tuesday.
I wrote a week ago that against Grimsby, we looked toothless and playing just one up front at home is sooooo Negative.
We haven’t scored from open play now since the 2nd minute of the Newport game, ie nearly 360 minutes, and who scored that ??
Sotiriou , who couldn’t even get on the pitch today
You couldn’t make it up.

BoniO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:40 pm In whatever business you run, if your plan doesn't work then you change something. It's the old definition of madness isn't it, to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.

Even the troll changed tactics eventually.

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:17 pm Listening to RE’s interview after today’s game makes me think that we may see a change of formation for Tuesday.
I wrote a week ago that against Grimsby, we looked toothless and playing just one up front at home is sooooo Negative.
We haven’t scored from open play now since the 2nd minute of the Newport game, ie nearly 360 minutes, and who scored that ??
Sotiriou , who couldn’t even get on the pitch today
You couldn’t make it up.

Just more boll*cks from Embleton, he gets worse every interview, he hasn’t got a f*cking clue. He seems intent on dragging us back into the National League with his negative and unfathomable tactics.

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:24 pm

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:17 pm Listening to RE’s interview after today’s game makes me think that we may see a change of formation for Tuesday.
I wrote a week ago that against Grimsby, we looked toothless and playing just one up front at home is sooooo Negative.
We haven’t scored from open play now since the 2nd minute of the Newport game, ie nearly 360 minutes, and who scored that ??
Sotiriou , who couldn’t even get on the pitch today
You couldn’t make it up.

Just more boll*cks from Embleton, he gets worse every interview, he hasn’t got a f*cking clue. He seems intent on dragging us back into the National League with his negative and unfathomable tactics.

Sadly, you are right. But at least we have our club back.

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:24 pm

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:17 pm Listening to RE’s interview after today’s game makes me think that we may see a change of formation for Tuesday.
I wrote a week ago that against Grimsby, we looked toothless and playing just one up front at home is sooooo Negative.
We haven’t scored from open play now since the 2nd minute of the Newport game, ie nearly 360 minutes, and who scored that ??
Sotiriou , who couldn’t even get on the pitch today
You couldn’t make it up.

Just more boll*cks from Embleton, he gets worse every interview, he hasn’t got a f*cking clue. He seems intent on dragging us back into the National League with his negative and unfathomable tactics.

He certainly seemed fairly pissed off himself and indicated that a change of formation may be necessary,
This is the unhappiest that He’s sounded for some while and unless he changes we will continue to drop like a stone all the way to the National League.
Both Morecambe and Stevenage have won games this week. We badly need a win this coming week with the two home games we have.

Hopeless . Same old story with the Embleton tactics , defend as deep as possible , one up top isolated , stay in the game , try for a draw . Then we go behind as always and put 7 up front to desperately try and get a point ? And we’re told he’s a good manager ? He’s done this in all games . Pathetic...and now we might have to change the formation How can we go forward like this . Just silly

Changing the formation is not a bad thing.

We came back from 3-1 down against Port Vale and won the next 3 League games when we went from 5-3-2 to 4-3-3. Trouble is, after a few games teams adapt, and we have been found out a bit. It is quite fanciful to think that the players have chosen to not impose themselves on the game like Ross says, but more that teams have figured out our weaknesses.

4-4-2 makes a lot of sense with some better midfielders in the team, unfortunately I think we look weak in the full-back areas, and that is only made worse if JMD and Brophy are the wingers. I bet Marsh is at RB next game, Judd will be dropped for his latest rash tackle.

banqo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:06 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:03 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:52 pm

We might have that decent midfielder but did he even get on the pitch today. Jake Cassidy signs for Stevenage and makes an immediate impact. That’s the type of impact we needed but we’re not getting it .

Yes, Cisse came on.

Was at fault for the goal.

So he was an impact sub!

Oh God , not a good start than . Anyway I edited my post . Apologises because I didn't think Cisse got on

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:57 pm

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:24 pm

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:17 pm Listening to RE’s interview after today’s game makes me think that we may see a change of formation for Tuesday.
I wrote a week ago that against Grimsby, we looked toothless and playing just one up front at home is sooooo Negative.
We haven’t scored from open play now since the 2nd minute of the Newport game, ie nearly 360 minutes, and who scored that ??
Sotiriou , who couldn’t even get on the pitch today
You couldn’t make it up.

Just more boll*cks from Embleton, he gets worse every interview, he hasn’t got a f*cking clue. He seems intent on dragging us back into the National League with his negative and unfathomable tactics.

He certainly seemed fairly p*ssed off himself and indicated that a change of formation may be necessary,
This is the unhappiest that He’s sounded for some while and unless he changes we will continue to drop like a stone all the way to the National League.
Both Morecambe and Stevenage have won games this week. We badly need a win this coming week with the two home games we have.

This is the most bang on the nail post for today .

eagwgw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:33 pm Changing the formation is not a bad thing.

We came back from 3-1 down against Port Vale and won the next 3 League games when we went from 5-3-2 to 4-3-3. Trouble is, after a few games teams adapt, and we have been found out a bit. It is quite fanciful to think that the players have chosen to not impose themselves on the game like Ross says, but more that teams have figured out our weaknesses.

4-4-2 makes a lot of sense with some better midfielders in the team, unfortunately I think we look weak in the full-back areas, and that is only made worse if JMD and Brophy are the wingers. I bet Marsh is at RB next game, Judd will be dropped for his latest rash tackle.

Well I'd be happy enough with that because both Judd and Ling are not good enough for League Two.

Its not just Ross and it is not just Orient.

1 up front is the 'fashion' at the moment and as well as a number of league teams playing it a lot of teams also play it at youth and kids level.
Boring, boring football.

However, once one of the supercoaches start playing 2 up front tht will become the fashion again and loads of teams will go 2 up top.

I just wish that coaches at all levels would play a system to suit their players rather than shoehorning their players in to a system.

There is nothing wrong with one up front if you have the wide men and midfield support to come through and over run the opposition. We don’t have that and that’s the problem.

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:34 pm There is nothing wrong with one up front if you have the wide men and midfield support to come through and over run the opposition. We don’t have that and that’s the problem.

Other than Man City and Livarpool not many teams do. That's why coaches should look at what is best for their squad rather than trying to copy.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:28 pm

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:26 pm Is Ling absolutely barking mad, he must be able to see what's going on out on the pitch, FFS. If he doesn't, can't or won't see it then
what the hell is he doing in his fcuking job. Nothing will change while this affluent, matey clique goes rumbling on in to the NL.

Agreed. But we can hardly sack the Manager and DoF now.

Why not, is there a rule saying we can't, we will go down otherwise.

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:34 pm There is nothing wrong with one up front if you have the wide men and midfield support to come through and over run the opposition. We don’t have that and that’s the problem.

Due to shortage of players, I once played the one man up front system myself ( in the team I managed ) back in a quarter final cup game in around 1975, difference we used 5 in midfield, two central holding players ( played myself in that position despite having my dodgy knee ) two wide men who worked the flanks, supporting the fullbacks when under pressure and winging it forward when we attacked also had two central attacking midfielders to come through and support the one striker. Result we won 4-1 despite being under the cosh most of the game. When we had our full team back, reverted to 4-4-2 and finished up winning the cup.