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Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:49 pm Dennis is another player who has not been used right by Ross the boss. I would be upset like he probably is if I were him.

Ruel like I said at the time of his recall on here should have been left at Dover to continue his education. I like him, but his long term development would have better suited to him staying at Dover.

eagwgw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:35 pm Thought the right back comment was odd, given that Judd is fit, Ling is back soon and Marsh, Ekpiteta or even Clay could fill in there.

Alabi should have gone last week, no good to have him moping around. Pay him up and get rid.
Can't see too many others going.

redintheface wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:47 pm

eagwgw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:35 pm Thought the right back comment was odd, given that Judd is fit, Ling is back soon and Marsh, Ekpiteta or even Clay could fill in there.

Alabi should have gone last week, no good to have him moping around. Pay him up and get rid.
Can't see too many others going.

Alabi should have left the building by the middle of the week. On his way on loan to Eastleigh evidently!

eagwgw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:58 pm Could be that a move for Judd is already underway.... who knows. Get to next season, Samling first choice with a totally new youngster as backup, no competition.

Actually wouldn't be surprised if Louis Dennis left as well, maybe on loan. Doesn't seem in favour here. Bromley must have some dosh after selling a player for a record fee, there won't be a better shot at promotion for them than this with the League so tight. Dennis surely would be quality for them and from his point of view no difference to playing top of National League than bottom of League Two.

eagwgw wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:40 pm Seems like the local rag did a big interview with Ross over the weekend and it's being drip-fed out over the week.

Said that 4-5 signings would be good this window, and I assume 2 of them already are done (Vigs/Marsh).

Also that other people would have to leave first before others came in. So the Alabi deal could be holding up the striker arrival, the other guy seems to be a full-back who can cover both sides. Central midfield might be last on the list, despite Gorman leaving.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:14 am

eagwgw wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:40 pm Seems like the local rag did a big interview with Ross over the weekend and it's being drip-fed out over the week.

Said that 4-5 signings would be good this window, and I assume 2 of them already are done (Vigs/Marsh).

Also that other people would have to leave first before others came in. So the Alabi deal could be holding up the striker arrival, the other guy seems to be a full-back who can cover both sides. Central midfield might be last on the list, despite Gorman leaving.

Quite frankly those new players should be coming in regardless . It shouldn't depend on if whether we can ship other players out first . It's called having ambition . Anyway , unwanted players like Alabi will be leaving shortly so will be off the wage bill .

Bergen wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:38 am We will survive without another right-back or another striker.

Lets use ALL our cash on a decent midfielder. I don`t care about the number of signings as long as we sign one strong central-midfielder.

jamespevans wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:10 am Decisions on who goes and who arrives are dictated by the Leagues 55% of turnover salary cap. We are properly run these days and some of the things Hearn did to artificially increase our turnover won't be happening.

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:37 am

jamespevans wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:10 am Decisions on who goes and who arrives are dictated by the Leagues 55% of turnover salary cap. We are properly run these days and some of the things Hearn did to artificially increase our turnover won't be happening.

How are we still losing £1m - £2m per year if we're within that cap?

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:37 am

jamespevans wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:10 am Decisions on who goes and who arrives are dictated by the Leagues 55% of turnover salary cap. We are properly run these days and some of the things Hearn did to artificially increase our turnover won't be happening.

How are we still losing £1m - £2m per year if we're within that cap?

Bergen wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:38 am We will survive without another right-back or another striker.

Lets use ALL our cash on a decent midfielder. I don`t care about the number of signings as long as we sign one strong central-midfielder.

jamespevans wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:47 am

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:37 am

jamespevans wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:10 am Decisions on who goes and who arrives are dictated by the Leagues 55% of turnover salary cap. We are properly run these days and some of the things Hearn did to artificially increase our turnover won't be happening.

How are we still losing £1m - £2m per year if we're within that cap?

The salary cap relates to players wages. It doesn't include other staff

eagwgw wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:34 pm Isn't that assuming we're taking the rules by their strict definition?

Can't imagine Salford being within 55% of their turnover, but I'd imagine there would be ways around it.

With the losses incurred so far the only reasonable explanation to me is that we are paying too many people, too much money (relative to the days under Hearn).

There was a massive overspend in the first season for a few reasons: maybe legacy costs, keeping the academy open, changing manager and signing more players than intended, a large amount of old, expensive players.

The latter two reasons also contributed to the loss in the second season, as several senior players (Boco, Mooney, Elokobi) had to be settled up and others stayed on the wage bill.

This season should be profitable IMO with Bonne/Koroma fees taken into account. If we are not, that would be pretty worrying. We won't find that out for a while though.

Leyton53 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:28 pm Going to be a busy week next week according to RE. Forward, midfielder and right back to come in with others going out.

eagwgw wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:34 pm Isn't that assuming we're taking the rules by their strict definition?

Can't imagine Salford being within 55% of their turnover, but I'd imagine there would be ways around it.

With the losses incurred so far the only reasonable explanation to me is that we are paying too many people, too much money (relative to the days under Hearn).

There was a massive overspend in the first season for a few reasons: maybe legacy costs, keeping the academy open, changing manager and signing more players than intended, a large amount of old, expensive players.

The latter two reasons also contributed to the loss in the second season, as several senior players (Boco, Mooney, Elokobi) had to be settled up and others stayed on the wage bill.

This season should be profitable IMO with Bonne/Koroma fees taken into account. If we are not, that would be pretty worrying. We won't find that out for a while though.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:46 pm

Leyton53 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:28 pm Going to be a busy week next week according to RE. Forward, midfielder and right back to come in with others going out.

Busy week ? It’s now Thursday and not dickie bird.

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:16 pm

jamespevans wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:47 am

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:37 am

How are we still losing £1m - £2m per year if we're within that cap?

The salary cap relates to players wages. It doesn't include other staff

My point remains. If we're only spending 55%, max, of our income on playing staff, where the hell is the rest of it going?