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Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:32 pm
by Long slender neck
redintheface wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:24 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:10 pm
redintheface wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:48 pm
The decision to give McAnuff another 12 months has also planned out well hasn’t it? And by the way according to both Ross and ML “the current squad is much better than our league position suggests”!
Only watched ling's interview. He didn't say that. Fake news!
Ling “ we feel we’ve got a much better squad than where we are” 7:08 - maybe you would care to look again?
Checked. He says 'better squad' not 'much better squad'.
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:35 pm
by redintheface
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:32 pm
redintheface wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:24 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:10 pm
Only watched ling's interview. He didn't say that. Fake news!
Ling “ we feel we’ve got a much better squad than where we are” 7:08 - maybe you would care to look again?
Checked. He says 'better squad' not 'much better squad'.
I think the meaning is effectively the same!
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:40 pm
by Long slender neck
Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:14 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:12 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:08 pm
So you are agreeing with me.
Glad we have established that.
Yes but it's irrelevant. Now answer the question in the topic title.
It isn’t. The DOF is tasked with improving the squad. He sold Koroma and Bonne and didn’t adequately replace them.
THAT is relevant.
So he should have signed a championship quality strikers?
Again you have failed to answer the question in the OP.
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:41 pm
by Long slender neck
redintheface wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:35 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:32 pm
redintheface wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:24 pm
Ling “ we feel we’ve got a much better squad than where we are” 7:08 - maybe you would care to look again?
Checked. He says 'better squad' not 'much better squad'.
I think the meaning is effectively the same!
So you don't understand what 'much' means?
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:43 pm
by tuffers#1
redintheface wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:35 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:32 pm
redintheface wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:24 pm
Ling “ we feel we’ve got a much better squad than where we are” 7:08 - maybe you would care to look again?
Checked. He says 'better squad' not 'much better squad'.
I think the meaning is effectively the same!
I think you will find that the English language has develooed words to quantify a point far more succinctly.
Its tall
Its very tall
Its Incredibly tall
See if you look at it from the perspective of 3 buildings over 25 floors youll understand .
The Nat west Tower
The Empire State building
The Burj Khalifa
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:24 pm
by Max B Gold
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:11 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:56 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:31 pm
Why are so many of you expecting a first time manager to perform miracles? Much of the squad is NL standard. Klopp wouldn't have this club much higher in the table.
Forget the 1st time manager. This goes back to the error made by the owners in not appointing an experienced manager after JE died and which they continue to make.
Had JE not died he would have gutted this squad because he understood it's shortcomings which he overcame by altering the team shape.
A new experienced manager would have done the same or started the process given the transfer window limitations. He wouldn't have signed the players we have.
It wasn't appropriate, can't you see that?
That's just an excuse. We should have appointed an experienced manager as quickly as possible without being disrespectful.
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:26 pm
by Long slender neck
The opportunity was when Fletcher was chosen.
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:28 pm
by Max B Gold
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:26 pm
The opportunity was when Fletcher was chosen.
No. That was too late and should have happened much sooner. Face it there has been a series of screwups. Fletcher was just one of them.
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:31 pm
by Long slender neck
Thought you were clever, but maybe you're just another cabbie.
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:33 pm
by Max B Gold
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:31 pm
Thought you were clever, but maybe you're just another cabbie.
I win.
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:50 pm
by Long slender neck
When exactly do you think an outsider should have been appointed? Surely hard to say when you don't know how people at the club are feeling
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:56 pm
by tuffers#1
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:24 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:11 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:56 pm
Forget the 1st time manager. This goes back to the error made by the owners in not appointing an experienced manager after JE died and which they continue to make.
Had JE not died he would have gutted this squad because he understood it's shortcomings which he overcame by altering the team shape.
A new experienced manager would have done the same or started the process given the transfer window limitations. He wouldn't have signed the players we have.
It wasn't appropriate, can't you see that?
That's just an excuse. We should have appointed an experienced manager as quickly as possible without being disrespectful.
Nobody experienced would have touched that Job so Early Max . You do understand that people have other motives away from Finacial reward
Unless you offerrd them 4 times the money the job was worth.
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:03 pm
by Lucky7
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:50 pm
When exactly do you think an outsider should have been appointed? Surely hard to say when you don't know how people at the club are feeling
Well looking at the usual bleaters posts I think June 10 would of been there ideal date
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:42 pm
by gshaw
The DoF tells us that our scout Foster has 10 players lined up for every position, so even if you take summer out the equation that means in the first half of the season you'd have all the key positions mapped out ready to get deals sewn up asap soon as the window opens.
So where's our physical, imposing CM... a loan extension for a youth from Spurs
Where's the quality striker to give cover to the main pairing, who can't seem to play together and both injury prone... Alabi who should've been gone in summer
Where's the LB cover for Widdowson, which has cost us goals consistently last few games
Problem is Ling doesn't see there is a problem and therefore his puppet Embleton won't either. Clay will remain undroppable, midfield remain anonymous yet somehow it's all fine?
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:18 pm
by Millennial Snowflake
gshaw wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:42 pm
The DoF tells us that our scout Foster has 10 players lined up for every position, so even if you take summer out the equation that means in the first half of the season you'd have all the key positions mapped out ready to get deals sewn up asap soon as the window opens.
So where's our physical, imposing CM... a loan extension for a youth from Spurs
Where's the quality striker to give cover to the main pairing, who can't seem to play together and both injury prone... Alabi who should've been gone in summer
Where's the LB cover for Widdowson, which has cost us goals consistently last few games
Problem is Ling doesn't see there is a problem and therefore his puppet Embleton won't either. Clay will remain undroppable, midfield remain anonymous yet somehow it's all fine?
The club's fans are lucky to have a management structure that communicates so openly with them - I don't know many clubs at all at pro level who do so to the same extent. The downside of this is that once fans are exposed to these snippets of information, they start to wonder how a system could possibly fail as it's more sophisticated than anything they've ever heard of before, and in turn think they can do a better job when things are going badly. The state of posts such as this one and this board since the new owners have taken over tbh is evidence of that.
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:28 pm
by gshaw
Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:18 pm
gshaw wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:42 pm
The DoF tells us that our scout Foster has 10 players lined up for every position, so even if you take summer out the equation that means in the first half of the season you'd have all the key positions mapped out ready to get deals sewn up asap soon as the window opens.
So where's our physical, imposing CM... a loan extension for a youth from Spurs
Where's the quality striker to give cover to the main pairing, who can't seem to play together and both injury prone... Alabi who should've been gone in summer
Where's the LB cover for Widdowson, which has cost us goals consistently last few games
Problem is Ling doesn't see there is a problem and therefore his puppet Embleton won't either. Clay will remain undroppable, midfield remain anonymous yet somehow it's all fine?
The club's fans are lucky to have a management structure that communicates so openly with them - I don't know many clubs at all at pro level who do so to the same extent. The downside of this is that once fans are exposed to these snippets of information, they start to wonder how a system could possibly fail as it's more sophisticated than anything they've ever heard of before, and in turn think they can do a better job when things are going badly. The state of posts such as this one and this board since the new owners have taken over tbh is evidence of that.
Or alternatively it's PR waffle to placate the easily pleased with no substance to back it up. Club does seem to love a good bit of spin of late, using its unofficial stooges to back it up and stay "on message"
Funny thing is some of the "brave decisions" Ling is lauding Embleton for were discussed on platforms including yes this place. Is that because there's a bunch of qualified football managers on here, no. Is it because it's bleedin' obvious to even the casual eye, yes. Sometimes the simple answer is the one you need, JE was a master of that. Embleton would do well to follow those methods rather than Ling's imo.
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:43 pm
by Millennial Snowflake
I really admire your ability to speak so confidently about something you know less than zero about. Fair play mate
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:25 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:31 pm
Why are so many of you expecting a first time manager to perform miracles? Much of the squad is NL standard. Klopp wouldn't have this club much higher in the table.
If him being a first time manager is the issue, why not get someone who isn’t a first time manager?
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:26 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:40 pm
Which NL standard players has Ling given extended deals to?
Presumably he means Brill, Coulson, Clay and Ling?
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:30 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:40 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:14 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:12 pm
Yes but it's irrelevant. Now answer the question in the topic title.
It isn’t. The DOF is tasked with improving the squad. He sold Koroma and Bonne and didn’t adequately replace them.
THAT is relevant.
So he should have signed a championship quality strikers?
Again you have failed to answer the question in the OP.
No. Obviously not. We were never going to replace them with like for like. To be fair, the recruitment of Angol and Wilkinson was as good as you could have hoped for, I’ve no issue there.
But they both signed for pennies, whilst Bonne and Koroma departed for big bucks (I hope). Some of that money should have gone into upgrading our weaker areas, such as CM and keeper. That way the team/squad would have been better overall than it was last season.
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:36 pm
by Long slender neck
RedO wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:25 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:31 pm
Why are so many of you expecting a first time manager to perform miracles? Much of the squad is NL standard. Klopp wouldn't have this club much higher in the table.
If him being a first time manager is the issue, why not get someone who isn’t a first time manager?
It's not the issue but it may be a factor.
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:39 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
So your saying he’s not up to it yet but in time he might be?
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:28 am
by Millennial Snowflake
RedO wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:26 pm
Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:40 pm
Which NL standard players has Ling given extended deals to?
Presumably he means Brill, Coulson, Clay and Ling?
Clay - was offered a new contract by edinburgh at the end of last season
Brill - is goalkeeping coach
Coulson - agree but probably a good player to have around the dressing room, don’t imagine he’ll play as much
Ling - still very young and one of our better players this season, could develop into a football league player
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:19 am
by Max B Gold
Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:28 am
RedO wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:26 pm
Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:40 pm
Which NL standard players has Ling given extended deals to?
Presumably he means Brill, Coulson, Clay and Ling?
Clay - was offered a new contract by edinburgh at the end of last season
Brill - is goalkeeping coach
Coulson - agree but probably a good player to have around the dressing room, don’t imagine he’ll play as much
Ling - still very young and one of our better players this season, could develop into a football league player
Four hours since post. No bites yet.
Re: How well should we be doing with a National League squad?
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:05 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
When someones as obvious as that, best not to take the bait.
