Re: Proper experienced Manager urgently needed.
Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:57 pm
Surely Gorman and/or Kyprianou should get a chance at Newport, I do see how our midfield would be weaker.
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Surely Gorman and/or Kyprianou should get a chance at Newport, I do see how our midfield would be weaker.
Indeed, although I suspect with Judd back in contention (o presume today was a 1-match ban?) Embleton will go back to 4-3-3 with Marsh / Clay / Wright in CM. Who knows, Wilkinson may have recovered from his mystery injury too in place of, probably Brophy
The default position of almost all HC/ manager’s when a team is not playing well is that they opt for experience. I doubt Embleton will exclude Clay or Wright unless an injury / illness to one or the other forces him to do so.
Spot on gshawgshaw wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:27 pm Today I don't think many managers could've done much better but overall Embleton isn't strong enough or experienced enough to address the issues in the squad. He's also under Ling's thumb, which is the root cause ultimately imo.
Will Embleton kick backsides to sort out the fitness issues, doubt it. Will he ruthlessly cull his friends from the squad, again doubt it.
''He may be a "brilliant" coach''UpminsterO wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:57 am I like Ross E for his enthusiasm and effort and love for Lofc. He may be a "brilliant" coach - but I don't like ML position to date of up selling him for a position he did not want - with Ross then explaining in great detail why. Fast forward we then end up Ross named as betting fav for the vacancy a week or so ago.
I would prefer a proven manager at the lower league level being appointed with total honesty to permit that person to carry out his duties
Sadly I have to agree with you Sid, good postSid Bishop wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:30 pm''He may be a "brilliant" coach''UpminsterO wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:57 am I like Ross E for his enthusiasm and effort and love for Lofc. He may be a "brilliant" coach - but I don't like ML position to date of up selling him for a position he did not want - with Ross then explaining in great detail why. Fast forward we then end up Ross named as betting fav for the vacancy a week or so ago.
I would prefer a proven manager at the lower league level being appointed with total honesty to permit that person to carry out his duties
Evidence of that statement ?
Just because certain people say that does not make it true.
We are drifting along and seems like to me that as long as we can scrape by without being relegated, it is looking more and more like a decision on a new manager will be put off till this season has ended.
Whilst you may have a point, I seriously believe that the board were / are waiting for a couple of positive wins before announcing RE, it has not happened and in my opinion won't happen.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:30 pm''He may be a "brilliant" coach''UpminsterO wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:57 am I like Ross E for his enthusiasm and effort and love for Lofc. He may be a "brilliant" coach - but I don't like ML position to date of up selling him for a position he did not want - with Ross then explaining in great detail why. Fast forward we then end up Ross named as betting fav for the vacancy a week or so ago.
I would prefer a proven manager at the lower league level being appointed with total honesty to permit that person to carry out his duties
Evidence of that statement ?
Just because certain people say that does not make it true.
We are drifting along and seems like to me that as long as we can scrape by without being relegated, it is looking more and more like a decision on a new manager will be put off till this season has ended.
''he ( Ross ) is no manager.''Thor wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:56 pmWhilst you may have a point, I seriously believe that the board were / are waiting for a couple of positive wins before announcing RE, it has not happened and in my opinion won't happen.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:30 pm''He may be a "brilliant" coach''UpminsterO wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:57 am I like Ross E for his enthusiasm and effort and love for Lofc. He may be a "brilliant" coach - but I don't like ML position to date of up selling him for a position he did not want - with Ross then explaining in great detail why. Fast forward we then end up Ross named as betting fav for the vacancy a week or so ago.
I would prefer a proven manager at the lower league level being appointed with total honesty to permit that person to carry out his duties
Evidence of that statement ?
Just because certain people say that does not make it true.
We are drifting along and seems like to me that as long as we can scrape by without being relegated, it is looking more and more like a decision on a new manager will be put off till this season has ended.
Nice guy he may be, a good coach he may be, but he is no manager.
We need someone to make those decisions first.RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:30 pm Sooner or later it will become blindingly obvious even to the board that we'll need to hire an experienced manager . Some tough decisions need to be taken or this club will never move forwards .
Sid, the sentiment seems to extend further than Ling’s job. Not many other club’s would have shelled out on an extended contract for a 38 year old midfielder with a chronic groin injury nor have installed a Head Coach on an “ interim” basis and not made any attempt to look for a permanent candidate until AFTER the “ interim” boss told them he no longer wanted the job. Seems to be very much a case of heart ruling head imho.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:05 pmPerhaps held back by Nigel who always strikes me as a great guy but also kind and perhaps rather sentimental, especially when it comes to the job that Martin Ling is doing.
The Board has been lacking a business advisor since Donut left a few weeks back. Well done you for filling the gap.UpminsterO wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:34 pmLove of anything can confuse behaviour and commentsSid Bishop wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:05 pmPerhaps held back by Nigel who always strikes me as a great guy but also kind and perhaps rather sentimental, especially when it comes to the job that Martin Ling is doing.
Nigel been a success in business in a role and industry that is far different from football that works on the franchise model. Having owned two franchises in USA in food not Nigel companies ones -I know for the franchise it sucks big time at times.
They work on the premise that you are the boss of your franchise shops but actually you are not - you carry all the risk all the investment and no positive accountability as the franchise model dictates everything but for negative accountability you are totally liable. There are legal cases in USA where the shop owners have suffered badly and are bringing class action to the companies. Any indication that the public are not happy the franchise is immediately distanced by the company and the public statement by the company is that the franchisee failed to follow the operation manual.
The point of the above is being a chairman of a football club is far different and in Nigel case his love of orient and his very likeable personality and loyalty does not mean his football decision making may be first class as a football chairman
He has a background in human resources and he from his statements is very receptive to a persons point of view - given all that I was very suprised about the Carl fletchers debacle occurring and the reliance on one person ML for reporting and his interview techniques - when we are top heavy with other directors and managerial staff - (which is out of proportion to a lower league club - all consuming resource of turnover)
The poor results do not enhance Lofc as a brand . The decision making of many events appears poor - team selection / tactics as reported / QA as an exercise an absolute disaster / conflicting comments of porter and lings / the signing of a relative to the DOF irrespective of the footballers ability was a mistake and creates a conflict of perceived interest even if there is not one / the issuing of contracts when there is no permanent manager in place can't be correct either / allowing Martin Ling to swear with laughter in a QA when we are promoting s family culture is not good.- but I guess Nigel did not know he would swear in a public debate
The above does not mean all parties are not trying their best and want success badly it's just as a group it does not work based on results and fan satifaction
They really need to review all directors roles and performance and realign their strategic planning - slim line it and consider all staff positions of decision making
Never mind two, any win will be enough to trigger a 2.5 year contract I reckon.o-no wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:14 am Appointment of RE absolves ML of making another potentially disastrous appointment which could have bad consequences for the club and him personally, and absolves the owners of addressing the top-heavy structure of the club and recognising that ML isn't the fount of all knowledge they believe him to be IMO. It's a win-win.
I think if we can string together two victories, they'll announce it unfortunately.
It would be difficult to find many Orient fans who don’t like Ross or appreciate what he has done in difficult circumstances. None of that however makes him the right choice to be the club’s next permanent HC and drive the team forward in the longer term. If ML and the owners think differently then that’s their prerogative of course but my confidence in their wisdom has been very much dented by what has happened over the last couple of months.EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:23 am I’ve pulled a few quotes from a TalkSport interview with Ross at the end of September.
“I stepped into it because I felt it was my duty”
“I’ve never really perceived or looked upon myself as a manager”
“I love doing what I do. but the longer term view of being a manager isn’t something that burns inside me. Whereas coaching and helping somebody who does have that burning desire is something I’m really passionate about”
“It’s a club that I have been part of since I was a kid. There’s not many people in management that get to manage the football club they followed as a kid, so I’m incredibly proud to have done that. I never viewed myself as being Leyton Orient manager one day. But I’ve done that and I know deep down inside me that I’ve done everything to the best of my ability”
“It never quite worked out in terms of some of the results we got, but I found my achievements in other things, rather than just getting three points on a Saturday.”
I like Ross based on all I’ve read and the interviews I’ve seen, and I think he’s genuinely done what he thought he should this season. But having reached the conclusion three months ago that management wasn’t for him, it would on the face of it be astonishing if his mind has now changed, or if ML and the owners would feel it an acceptable risk to appoint him if that is how it maps out, especially post the CF debacle. ML more than anyone would know that one has to be totally committed to a manager’s role and believe that one can handle it.