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Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:38 am
by EliotNes
BIGRON wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:55 am Odds on Embleton are 1/3 , Jobi is available @20/1 , says it all really , i would be VERY surprised if anyone but Ross got the gig.

This

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:46 am
by faith1234
Waste of time other people aplying for the time if our owners dont want to pay for a good manager i will tell ypu lot somthink it wont be long before we drop down again to another division and all ling and the owners will say is oh it wasnt right for the club we got it wrong

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:14 am
by LittleMate
Disoriented wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:14 pm
LittleMate wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:24 pm
Disoriented wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:33 pm Jobs for the boys. Can we get any more mis-managed if we really tried?
Really??

To get promoted from any league you need a good management team and not just a good manager. Was getting promoted lucky?
Last year was last year - what part of that don’t you understand?
You believe the club could not be more mis-managed if we tried? Give your head a wobble. Do you not see what's going on at places like Bury, Macclesfield or Southend; do you not remember what happened 3-4 years ago.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:19 am
by Adz
BIGRON wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:47 am
Adz wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:37 am Surely if they were going to give it to dw or jm they'd have got the interim gig. Re is nailed on for this, so we're gonna bob along at the bottom all season
I don't think JM had his coaching badges at the time , has he got them now ?.
Pretty sure you don't need them to be a caretaker manager

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:20 am
by DonaldRocks
The new manager needs to be able to bring in his own coaching staff. The new manager needs to be able to let go or move on some of the more experienced players who shafted Fletcher to save their own skins.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:26 am
by Thor
#noambition

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:37 pm
by Chief crazy horse
I think it says loads when Travis said how good the performance was against Bradford and that they had said that, 'we were one of the better teams they had faced this season.' So, yes, for me too it looks odds on to be an in house appointment.
I will be very disappointed with the owners if they are going to persist with this present management set up. I am worried too for the future.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:52 pm
by redintheface
Chief crazy horse wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:37 pm I think it says loads when Travis said how good the performance was against Bradford and that they had said that, 'we were one of the better teams they had faced this season.' So, yes, for me too it looks odds on to be an in house appointment.
I will be very disappointed with the owners if they are going to persist with this present management set up. I am worried too for the future.
I believe many fans share your concerns.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:56 pm
by RedDwarf 1881
redintheface wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:31 am
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:57 am
Disoriented wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:33 pm Jobs for the boys. Can we get any more mis-managed if we really tried?
Being mis-managed was the Becchet ti era .What we would have here would simply be a poor decision.
Very true, but one of a number of poor decisions in the last few months I would suggest. Embleton is a racing certainty for the job I should think.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:33 pm
by faith1234
I hope it gets sorted soon and not later as time is clicking on

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:55 pm
by LittleMate
RoryRocks wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:20 am The new manager needs to be able to bring in his own coaching staff. The new manager needs to be able to let go or move on some of the more experienced players who shafted Fletcher to save their own skins.
As time passes on its clear that more and more fans share this opinion and its hard to disagree.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:17 pm
by eagwgw
https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport ... er-window/

Everything says to me that Ross is favourite because he won't rock the boat.

Between now and the start of next season I do think we do need massive changes... looking at the squad the number of players that could be gotten rid of and swapped for better replacements might be 10 or more. Personally I think the number Fletcher said was just for starters in January with a further rebuild to come.

I don't think the board are against a wholesale change of the squad if it gives us a better chance at promotion, but doing it January would be much more expensive than doing it at the end of the season. Yet if a new man came in now, he'd probably want a few players and good ones at that.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:38 pm
by gshaw
The way it looks is that club is very short on cash and can't afford to pay another manager, pay off backroom staff and bring in all the players a new man would want. I predict a couple of sales in January and one or two loans with us struggling along on the bare bones until end of the season.

The whole strategy seems to be based on hoping we're not the worst side in the league and there only being the one relegation spot to fill. Playing a dangerous game especially with the likes of Stevenage and Morecambe making their moves to change managers and no doubt improve their squads in the window.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:47 pm
by redintheface
Strangely since his dismissal, it seems more people are coming round to Fletcher’s way of thinking in respect of the squad and it’s capabilities!

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:56 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
gshaw wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:38 pm The way it looks is that club is very short on cash and can't afford to pay another manager, pay off backroom staff and bring in all the players a new man would want. I predict a couple of sales in January and one or two loans with us struggling along on the bare bones until end of the season.
Can't afford to pay and not wanting to pay are two very different things.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:00 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
redintheface wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:47 pm Strangely since his dismissal, it seems more people are coming round to Fletcher’s way of thinking in respect of the squad and it’s capabilities!
To be fair a lot of our fans were baying for blood and wanted the head coach ousted from their position. As soon as Fletcher went some of those just found a new target to want to hound for whatever reasons they had. So their stance on Fletcher has softened now that he is no longer part of the club and now these people have a new target.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:26 am
by PoundhillO
The sooner the DOF position is done away with the better, for our club it is now not only not needed but in my opinion has a biased built into it that is unhealthy for the club.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:42 am
by redintheface
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:00 am
redintheface wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:47 pm Strangely since his dismissal, it seems more people are coming round to Fletcher’s way of thinking in respect of the squad and it’s capabilities!
To be fair a lot of our fans were baying for blood and wanted the head coach ousted from their position. As soon as Fletcher went some of those just found a new target to want to hound for whatever reasons they had. So their stance on Fletcher has softened now that he is no longer part of the club and now these people have a new target.
Interesting analysis but personally I don’t think many people have switched to a “ new target” as you put it, since Fletcher was dismissed. I think some of the stuff that came out after he was let go in respect of player/ staff engagement indicates that Fletcher felt that there were issues with squad fitness levels and quality and honestly I think that many fans would share that view.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:02 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
redintheface wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:42 am
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:00 am
redintheface wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:47 pm Strangely since his dismissal, it seems more people are coming round to Fletcher’s way of thinking in respect of the squad and it’s capabilities!
To be fair a lot of our fans were baying for blood and wanted the head coach ousted from their position. As soon as Fletcher went some of those just found a new target to want to hound for whatever reasons they had. So their stance on Fletcher has softened now that he is no longer part of the club and now these people have a new target.
Interesting analysis but personally I don’t think many people have switched to a “ new target” as you put it, since Fletcher was dismissed. I think some of the stuff that came out after he was let go in respect of player/ staff engagement indicates that Fletcher felt that there were issues with squad fitness levels and quality and honestly I think that many fans would share that view.
You only need to look at the bell end that posted straight after my post to see that people have moved to a new target. It was almost like he was trying to prove my point.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:36 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
UpminsterO wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:11 am I don't think anybody posting on here is a "bell end"
How naive.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:41 am
by Max B Gold
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:02 am
redintheface wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:42 am
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:00 am

To be fair a lot of our fans were baying for blood and wanted the head coach ousted from their position. As soon as Fletcher went some of those just found a new target to want to hound for whatever reasons they had. So their stance on Fletcher has softened now that he is no longer part of the club and now these people have a new target.
Interesting analysis but personally I don’t think many people have switched to a “ new target” as you put it, since Fletcher was dismissed. I think some of the stuff that came out after he was let go in respect of player/ staff engagement indicates that Fletcher felt that there were issues with squad fitness levels and quality and honestly I think that many fans would share that view.
You only need to look at the bell end that posted straight after my post to see that people have moved to a new target. It was almost like he was trying to prove my point.
Calling him a bell end should help. I should know I'm forever calling people names on here.

That said there is something in his point.There is disfunction in our management structure. Fletcher called it out and suffered the closing of ranks and backlash.

He should have played the long game instead of crashing in and upsetting the clique early doors.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:49 am
by Max B Gold
UpminsterO wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:46 am
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:36 am
UpminsterO wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:11 am I don't think anybody posting on here is a "bell end"
How naive.
What is naive - you / me / whatever
We never met never will and know sweet f a about each mental capacity

You see new old cock sparrow unless you are a mind reading a billiant one at that who are you to pass any comment on any one else view - disagree or agree but that's as far as it goes - get my drift mate
Say it to his face.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:51 am
by eagwgw
To be fair to the 'bell end', the target is not new, at least he has been consistent.

To be quite honest, the fans baying for blood was quite right. There were a lot of rumours around that Fletcher had fallen out with the staff and the players, and it seemed that transcended the whole club. Eliot defended Fletcher after he said 'he'd take a point' in the 1-1 against Carlisle, did nothing else after that.

Where would we be if the fans got behind Fletcher and he was still here? The rot would have continued due to the in-fighting, none of which is the fans fault.

The FA Cup defeat was the watershed. I am undecided on Ross getting the job, but if hypothetically another Maldon happened this week that would be enough for me to want a new man ASAP.

Fletcher could have been given some videos in match previews, a meet-the-manager night, an appearance on O's show or podcasts to try and win the fans over, it just seemed that the club closed ranks around him and stubbed him out like a fag end. This wasn't as easy to discern at the time.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:17 am
by redintheface
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:02 am
redintheface wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:42 am
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:00 am

To be fair a lot of our fans were baying for blood and wanted the head coach ousted from their position. As soon as Fletcher went some of those just found a new target to want to hound for whatever reasons they had. So their stance on Fletcher has softened now that he is no longer part of the club and now these people have a new target.
Interesting analysis but personally I don’t think many people have switched to a “ new target” as you put it, since Fletcher was dismissed. I think some of the stuff that came out after he was let go in respect of player/ staff engagement indicates that Fletcher felt that there were issues with squad fitness levels and quality and honestly I think that many fans would share that view.
You only need to look at the bell end that posted straight after my post to see that people have moved to a new target. It was almost like he was trying to prove my point.
Pretty sure that PoundhillO has been a long standing critic of the DoF tbf which does nothing to disprove my point that in my opinion not MANY people have moved to a new target. Thanks.

Re: Managerial search is ‘close’ to being completed

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:18 am
by Chief crazy horse
redintheface wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:42 am
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:00 am
redintheface wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:47 pm Strangely since his dismissal, it seems more people are coming round to Fletcher’s way of thinking in respect of the squad and it’s capabilities!
To be fair a lot of our fans were baying for blood and wanted the head coach ousted from their position. As soon as Fletcher went some of those just found a new target to want to hound for whatever reasons they had. So their stance on Fletcher has softened now that he is no longer part of the club and now these people have a new target.
Interesting analysis but personally I don’t think many people have switched to a “ new target” as you put it, since Fletcher was dismissed. I think some of the stuff that came out after he was let go in respect of player/ staff engagement indicates that Fletcher felt that there were issues with squad fitness levels and quality and honestly I think that many fans would share that view.
Agree. You took the words from my mouth. No, it wasn't the case of switching to a new target after Fletcher. Fans have simply realised since, that he was hounded out by the 'cosy little club' from within. In the main, nothing to do with new targets.