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Re: Ratings v Oldham

Post by Ronnie Hotdogs »

spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:15 pm
UpminsterO wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:10 pm
spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:05 pm Sargeant - 0
Widdowson - 0
Happe - 0
Turley - 0
Ling. -0
Marsh. 0
Kyprianou.0
Wright. 0
Maguire-Drew. 0
Angol. 0
Wilkinson.0
That sums you up great post from an educated person ( according to you )


No need for abuse. I haven't claimed to be an educated person. Indeed I wouldn't know what the benchmark is to be educated.

I awarded the points on the basis of what I saw the individuals do
Christ.
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

Post by Smendrick Feaselberg »

Chief crazy horse wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:51 am Smen, maybe you should think a little bit more before posting your snappy reply.
A full back is not in such a pivotal position as a central defender. Should he get the slip from a nippy winger the danger of conceding a goal is never as great if the same thing happens to a central defender.
Like I say the central defender is pivotal to the defence.
I did think things through, which lead me to conclude that Turley would be more likely to come up against a nippy player at full back than up front. So your logic is flawed.

As RedO says though his mobility isn't as big an issue as it's being made out to be.
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:15 pm
UpminsterO wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:10 pm
spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:05 pm Sargeant - 0
Widdowson - 0
Happe - 0
Turley - 0
Ling. -0
Marsh. 0
Kyprianou.0
Wright. 0
Maguire-Drew. 0
Angol. 0
Wilkinson.0
That sums you up great post from an educated person ( according to you )


No need for abuse. I haven't claimed to be an educated person. Indeed I wouldn't know what the benchmark is to be educated.

I awarded the points on the basis of what I saw the individuals do
Yet more evidence. As soon as I point out that the Spen character was morphing into a decent boarder with meaningful contributions Lucky7/Spen goes back on the wind up.

Another grown up thread about football ruined by lucky 7/spen. FTC was right, you’re making this place messy and ruining it for others.
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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RedO wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:21 pm
spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:15 pm
UpminsterO wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:10 pm

That sums you up great post from an educated person ( according to you )


No need for abuse. I haven't claimed to be an educated person. Indeed I wouldn't know what the benchmark is to be educated.

I awarded the points on the basis of what I saw the individuals do
Christ.
Did he play?
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:26 pm
Chief crazy horse wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:51 am Smen, maybe you should think a little bit more before posting your snappy reply.
A full back is not in such a pivotal position as a central defender. Should he get the slip from a nippy winger the danger of conceding a goal is never as great if the same thing happens to a central defender.
Like I say the central defender is pivotal to the defence.
I did think things through, which lead me to conclude that Turley would be more likely to come up against a nippy player at full back than up front. So your logic is flawed.

As RedO says though his mobility isn't as big an issue as it's being made out to be.
Definitely not.

Can you imagine anyone suggesting Coulson should be put out to full back because he’s a bit slow? I know times are changing but you’re still more likely to encounter the tricky, speedy player out wide than straight down the middle.
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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UpminsterO wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:43 pm
spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:15 pm
UpminsterO wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:10 pm

That sums you up great post from an educated person ( according to you )


No need for abuse. I haven't claimed to be an educated person. Indeed I wouldn't know what the benchmark is to be educated.

I awarded the points on the basis of what I saw the individuals do
Where is the abuse.
Educated - you tell this board you are a lawyer and a chartered accountant - both need education to practice those professions
I am qualified as a lawyer and a chartered accountant.

I have never claimed to be an educated person.


Quite what your false statement that I claim to be an educated person has to do with the topic of this thread is beyond me.

If you want to discuss whether people claim to be educated, then why not start a different thread for that.
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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Huxley wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:28 pm
spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:15 pm
UpminsterO wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:10 pm

That sums you up great post from an educated person ( according to you )


No need for abuse. I haven't claimed to be an educated person. Indeed I wouldn't know what the benchmark is to be educated.

I awarded the points on the basis of what I saw the individuals do
Yet more evidence. As soon as I point out that the Spen character was morphing into a decent boarder with meaningful contributions Lucky7/Spen goes back on the wind up.

Another grown up thread about football ruined by lucky 7/spen. FTC was right, you’re making this place messy and ruining it for others.
Let it go you’ll make yourself pop with virtual confusion
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

Post by Smendrick Feaselberg »

RedO wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:55 pm
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:26 pm
Chief crazy horse wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:51 am Smen, maybe you should think a little bit more before posting your snappy reply.
A full back is not in such a pivotal position as a central defender. Should he get the slip from a nippy winger the danger of conceding a goal is never as great if the same thing happens to a central defender.
Like I say the central defender is pivotal to the defence.
I did think things through, which lead me to conclude that Turley would be more likely to come up against a nippy player at full back than up front. So your logic is flawed.

As RedO says though his mobility isn't as big an issue as it's being made out to be.
Definitely not.

Can you imagine anyone suggesting Coulson should be put out to full back because he’s a bit slow? I know times are changing but you’re still more likely to encounter the tricky, speedy player out wide than straight down the middle.
Coulson should only be put out to graze
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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UpminsterO wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:57 pm It's relevant because if you ( spen )are an adult you ruined this thread
And that comment has what to do with the ratings given to players for yesterdays game?

Try to keep on topic?

If you dont like my posts, you can ignore me( for facility?)
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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UpminsterO wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:01 pm Spen I will not bother posting again to you find another to argue crap with
If you hadn't started by having a pop at me for posting my ratings, then there wouldn't be this pointless interplay.

You don't like me (even though you haven't met me), and I am sure the board members are aware of that without you needing to start having a go at me when I post.
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:05 pm
UpminsterO wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:01 pm Spen I will not bother posting again to you find another to argue crap with
If you hadn't started by having a pop at me for posting my ratings, then there wouldn't be this pointless interplay.

You don't like me (even though you haven't met me), and I am sure the board members are aware of that without you needing to start having a go at me when I post.
Thanks for ruining what was otherwise a grown up and civilised thread, lucky 7/Spen.

Hope the mods bin you like they threatened to. Pathetic behaviour.

It’s bad enough on the political threads but now you’re trashing the genuine Leyton Orient ones too.
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:05 pm Sargeant - 0
Widdowson - 0
Happe - 0
Turley - 0
Ling. -0
Marsh. 0
Kyprianou.0
Wright. 0
Maguire-Drew. 0
Angol. 0
Wilkinson.0
Time for this character to have a holiday, surely.
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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Disoriented wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:54 pm
spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:05 pm Sargeant - 0
Widdowson - 0
Happe - 0
Turley - 0
Ling. -0
Marsh. 0
Kyprianou.0
Wright. 0
Maguire-Drew. 0
Angol. 0
Wilkinson.0
Time for this character to have a holiday, surely.
Would you prefer me to make up ratings?

I never saw anyone do anything, therefore they score 0




Cant believe you and others get so worked up by a throwaway post

It matters not to you or anyone what ratings I or anyone gives.

I give 0 because I never saw anyone earn any points
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:05 pm Sargeant - 0
Widdowson - 0
Happe - 0
Turley - 0
Ling. -0
Marsh. 0
Kyprianou.0
Wright. 0
Maguire-Drew. 0
Angol. 0
Wilkinson.0
Why all those zeros ratings?
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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whittle81 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:13 pm
spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:05 pm Sargeant - 0
Widdowson - 0
Happe - 0
Turley - 0
Ling. -0
Marsh. 0
Kyprianou.0
Wright. 0
Maguire-Drew. 0
Angol. 0
Wilkinson.0
Why all those zeros ratings?
I never saw anyone do anything ...I wasnt at the game
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:17 pm
whittle81 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:13 pm
spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:05 pm Sargeant - 0
Widdowson - 0
Happe - 0
Turley - 0
Ling. -0
Marsh. 0
Kyprianou.0
Wright. 0
Maguire-Drew. 0
Angol. 0
Wilkinson.0
Why all those zeros ratings?
I never saw anyone do anything ...I wasnt at the game
If you didn’t see the game then your ratings should be n/a as you are in no position to give a score. 0/10 suggests you saw them and it was an awful performance.

As I said before, being a troll on the politics threads doesn’t bother me, but to come on a Leyton Orient message board with the intention of wrecking a genuine thread about player ratings from the game a day before really is sh*thouse behaviour.

I know you style the spen character on having a difference of opinion which is supposedly good for the board, regardless of how deliberately contrarian they are. But purposely trashing threads about Orient for what I assume is your own amusement...just why?
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:01 pm
Disoriented wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:54 pm
spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:05 pm Sargeant - 0
Widdowson - 0
Happe - 0
Turley - 0
Ling. -0
Marsh. 0
Kyprianou.0
Wright. 0
Maguire-Drew. 0
Angol. 0
Wilkinson.0
Time for this character to have a holiday, surely.
Would you prefer me to make up ratings?

I never saw anyone do anything, therefore they score 0




Cant believe you and others get so worked up by a throwaway post

It matters not to you or anyone what ratings I or anyone gives.

I give 0 because I never saw anyone earn any points
Surely if you're using that logic then it should be a 5 as it is the middle number on the scale?
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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Red_Army wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:33 pm
spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:01 pm
Disoriented wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:54 pm

Time for this character to have a holiday, surely.
Would you prefer me to make up ratings?

I never saw anyone do anything, therefore they score 0




Cant believe you and others get so worked up by a throwaway post

It matters not to you or anyone what ratings I or anyone gives.

I give 0 because I never saw anyone earn any points
Surely if you're using that logic then it should be a 5 as it is the middle number on the scale?
Working on a rating that I understand to be from 1-10, I gave a rating that shows I wasn't scoring anyone

If I gave a 5 that would be a distortion
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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Unbelievable.
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:37 pm
Red_Army wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:33 pm
spen666 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:01 pm

Would you prefer me to make up ratings?

I never saw anyone do anything, therefore they score 0




Cant believe you and others get so worked up by a throwaway post

It matters not to you or anyone what ratings I or anyone gives.

I give 0 because I never saw anyone earn any points
Surely if you're using that logic then it should be a 5 as it is the middle number on the scale?
Working on a rating that I understand to be from 1-10, I gave a rating that shows I wasn't scoring anyone

If I gave a 5 that would be a distortion
As I said, thanks for wrecking a decent and earnest thread.

I hope the attention you received from it was what you needed.
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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I wonder if the mods will change his name to Troll and Lucky to Chief Troll?

I know they said they don’t think that Spen and Lucky are the same person, but I wonder if that’s cos he uses a VPN?
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:26 pm
Chief crazy horse wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:51 am Smen, maybe you should think a little bit more before posting your snappy reply.
A full back is not in such a pivotal position as a central defender. Should he get the slip from a nippy winger the danger of conceding a goal is never as great if the same thing happens to a central defender.
Like I say the central defender is pivotal to the defence.
I did think things through, which lead me to conclude that Turley would be more likely to come up against a nippy player at full back than up front. So your logic is flawed.

As RedO says though his mobility isn't as big an issue as it's being made out to be.
You're now just clutching at straws. A slow and not so mobile player is more of a danger to a side at centre half than a full back. A full back will also have a covering defender to rely on more than a central defender. It's common sense really. Or you could say just more logical.
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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Sticking to the football away from this 0/10 nonsense,

Streamed it. Poor game overall as has been mentioned but a couple of observations.

1) Turley was easily MOTM. One of the best defensive performances I've seen from a center half of ours this season and even though that's not saying much, he was excellent yesterday. Coulson quite rightly dropped after recent weeks and Turley looks well up for it.

2) Although still not great, we weren't overrun entirely in midfield yesterday, I think sticking with Wright and Marsh for now is the right thing to do. Clay just doesn't offer enough.

3) Angol is wasted on the wing and we should go back to basics in my opinion with him and Wilkinson up top next Saturday, it's by far our most likely route to getting a few more goals into this side.

4) Kyprianou's performance was mature and he should have a good shout to start next week.

Overall, a decent point, it stops the rot. Desperately need to improve our home form though, hope we can start that next weekend
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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How bizarre is all this chat about Turley. He's the most mobile of all our cb options. He's absolutely rapid.
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Re: Ratings v Oldham

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Jman wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:45 pm Sticking to the football away from this 0/10 nonsense,

Streamed it. Poor game overall as has been mentioned but a couple of observations.

1) Turley was easily MOTM. One of the best defensive performances I've seen from a center half of ours this season and even though that's not saying much, he was excellent yesterday. Coulson quite rightly dropped after recent weeks and Turley looks well up for it.

2) Although still not great, we weren't overrun entirely in midfield yesterday, I think sticking with Wright and Marsh for now is the right thing to do. Clay just doesn't offer enough.

3) Angol is wasted on the wing and we should go back to basics in my opinion with him and Wilkinson up top next Saturday, it's by far our most likely route to getting a few more goals into this side.

4) Kyprianou's performance was mature and he should have a good shout to start next week.

Overall, a decent point, it stops the rot. Desperately need to improve our home form though, hope we can start that next weekend
Thanks for your thoughts and feedback Jman, so nice to read some constructive and informative comments rather than all this petty squabbling 0/10 business.
Barring injuries, I hope RE sticks with the same line up but I agree, Angol needs to play up front with Wilkinson.
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