A Jewish perspective on Corbyn & anti Semetism

[Thor]

I listened to the group this morning on the Nick Ferrari show and they said that since 2015 there has been a systematic and endemic course of bullying, anti semtic and rascists behaviour in the labour party. Nick said that JC was an anti rasicst and was rebutted with there were issues before 2015 but since then it has esclated enourmously with imtimindation, bullying and as for JC if he were anti racsist etc he would have stopped it so I dont beleive that he is. BOOM! They beleive the leadership is complicit in allowing it to happen.

They have released a 54 page report in the issues that they have submitted to the human rights commission.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

From their wiki page regarding their 'restructuring' in 2016:

"The JLM had become largely dormant but was revived following the election of Jeremy Corbyn."

[ComeOnYouOs]

The Jewish Labour Movement is an interesting one...inasmuch as you dont have to be Jewish, or a Labour member to join it. They will allow anyone in, as long as they hate Corbyn, it appears.

Its a right of centre group, mainly made up of Blairite types,.

The group disbanded, but reformed in 2015, just when Jeremy Corbyn became leader......that was an amazing coincidence wasnt it?

I've posted this before in response to you peddling this. You are wrong, the group was not disbanded, nor was it re-formed in 2015.

They do not let anyone in. You can't be a member of another political party. It has no qualification for what type of Labour factions join. If one group has joined more than others, there are many reasons for that.

My points that you dont have to be Jewish, stands, as does by point that you dont have to be a member of the Labour party.

It used to be called Poale Zion, which tells you its a zionist movement, that supports Israel. These are facts

[Red_Army]

The Jewish Labour Movement is an interesting one...inasmuch as you dont have to be Jewish, or a Labour member to join it. They will allow anyone in, as long as they hate Corbyn, it appears.

Its a right of centre group, mainly made up of Blairite types,.

The group disbanded, but reformed in 2015, just when Jeremy Corbyn became leader......that was an amazing coincidence wasnt it?

I've posted this before in response to you peddling this. You are wrong, the group was not disbanded, nor was it re-formed in 2015.

They do not let anyone in. You can't be a member of another political party. It has no qualification for what type of Labour factions join. If one group has joined more than others, there are many reasons for that.

My points that you dont have to be Jewish, stands, as does by point that you dont have to be a member of the Labour party.

It used to be called Poale Zion, which tells you its a zionist movement, that supports Israel. These are facts

Yes it does support the right for Israel to exist. Nobody is denying that. It's a legitimate political standpoint, whether you agree or not. I'm not massive about it being open to non-Labour members, but these days non-Labour members can vote in leadership elections- many did for Mr Corbyn in 2015 and 2016. I really like how it is open to non-Jews, allowing people to come and show their solidarity, and also learn about Judaism and Judaism in the Labour Party.

[Max B Gold]

Are you sure about non Labour members voting in the leadership elections. I haven't heard that before.

I'm not convinced that joining a political organisation is the best place to learn about Judaism. If people have an interest in religion shouldn't they be joining some sort of ecumenical organisation?

I'm a bit touchy about bringing religion into politics probably because of the part of the world I live in and because I'm an atheistic heathen anarcho- Marxist.

[ComeOnYouOs]

Israel exists because they, with Britains help, threw out ¾ million Palestinians from their homes & land just after WW2.

The Jews used terrorist tactics, with groups like The Stern gang, and Irgun, and others, to bomb & kill their way to their Zionist dreams. They blew up the King David Hotel, killing 93 I believe, many of them British.

They now occupy Palestine, and treat the Palestinians like sh*t.

The government of Netanyahu is a near fascist government, and in effect, Israel is an apartheid state

How can any decent person, support that?

[Red_Army]

Are you sure about non Labour members voting in the leadership elections. I haven't heard that before.

I'm not convinced that joining a political organisation is the best place to learn about Judaism. If people have an interest in religion shouldn't they be joining some sort of ecumenical organisation?

I'm a bit touchy about bringing religion into politics probably because of the part of the world I live in and because I'm an atheistic heathen anarcho- Marxist.

Yes, non members were allowed to sign up as affiliate supporters for a one off fee to have a vote in both.

[Red_Army]

Israel exists because they, with Britains help, threw out ¾ million Palestinians from their homes & land just after WW2.

The Jews used terrorist tactics, with groups like The Stern gang, and Irgun, and others, to bomb & kill their way to their Zionist dreams. They blew up the King David Hotel, killing 93 I believe, many of them British.

They now occupy Palestine, and treat the Palestinians like sh*t.

The government of Netanyahu is a near fascist government, and in effect, Israel is an apartheid state

How can any decent person, support that?

I repeat my point about use of language.

Nobody is claiming that you should support the *actions* of the current and past government's of Israel. The point that I am making is that I support the *existence* of the state of Israel as both a concept and an entity based on the principle of self determination for the Jewish people in the context of the aftermath of the Holocaust.

[Max B Gold]

Israel exists because they, with Britains help, threw out ¾ million Palestinians from their homes & land just after WW2.

The Jews used terrorist tactics, with groups like The Stern gang, and Irgun, and others, to bomb & kill their way to their Zionist dreams. They blew up the King David Hotel, killing 93 I believe, many of them British.

They now occupy Palestine, and treat the Palestinians like sh*t.

The government of Netanyahu is a near fascist government, and in effect, Israel is an apartheid state

How can any decent person, support that?

I repeat my point about use of language.

Nobody is claiming that you should support the *actions* of the current and past government's of Israel. The point that I am making is that I support the *existence* of the state of Israel as both a concept and an entity based on the principle of self determination for the Jewish people in the context of the aftermath of the Holocaust.

What is your language point that forever offends you. If we can sort that we can commicate.

The State of Israel exists and in a tokenistic fashion so does a Palestinian State. Isreal is doing its best to eradicate the Arab people by stealing its land and murdering them at the end of a gun. Can Palestinians vote freely in the Israeli state?

This is wrong and by saying so does not make me an Anti-semite?

[Red_Army]

Israel exists because they, with Britains help, threw out ¾ million Palestinians from their homes & land just after WW2.

The Jews used terrorist tactics, with groups like The Stern gang, and Irgun, and others, to bomb & kill their way to their Zionist dreams. They blew up the King David Hotel, killing 93 I believe, many of them British.

They now occupy Palestine, and treat the Palestinians like sh*t.

The government of Netanyahu is a near fascist government, and in effect, Israel is an apartheid state

How can any decent person, support that?

I repeat my point about use of language.

Nobody is claiming that you should support the *actions* of the current and past government's of Israel. The point that I am making is that I support the *existence* of the state of Israel as both a concept and an entity based on the principle of self determination for the Jewish people in the context of the aftermath of the Holocaust.

What is your language point that forever offends you. If we can sort that we can commicate.

The State of Israel exists and in a tokenistic fashion so does a Palestinian State. Isreal is doing its best to eradicate the Arab people by stealing its land and murdering them at the end of a gun. Can Palestinians vote freely in the Israeli state?

This is wrong and by saying so does not make me an Anti-semite?

Again you're talking about it's actions, not the idea of a Jewish state located where it is.

[StockholmO]

From their wiki page regarding their 'restructuring' in 2016:

"The JLM had become largely dormant but was revived following the election of Jeremy Corbyn."

Why would that be mate?

[StockholmO]

From their wiki page regarding their 'restructuring' in 2016:

"The JLM had become largely dormant but was revived following the election of Jeremy Corbyn."

Why would that be mate?

That's not exactly what the article says, you've 'redacted' it somewhat to suit your own agenda. It says and I quote ' The JLM has attracted some criticism from within the Labour Party. Critics contended that the JLM had become largely dormant by the early 21st century and was only revived following the election of Jeremy Corbyn.'

The Wiki entry on the JLM is overwhelmingly against the anti semites in the Labour Party and contains lots of stuff that you look over such as ' to win the battle, Jews have to remain in the party rather than decamp in the face of Jew-hatred'.

For anyone who can be arsed to read the article and I lost the will here it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Labour_Movement

Oh yes, and I am a proud Zionist.

[Disoriented]

Three Tory candidates found to have made anti-Semitic remarks, yet scarcely a ripple in the Tory controlled press.

So much for liar Johnson saying he would turf them out ‘at first bounce’.

Governing for the few and not the many.

[ComeOnYouOs]

From their wiki page regarding their 'restructuring' in 2016:

"The JLM had become largely dormant but was revived following the election of Jeremy Corbyn."

Why would that be mate?

That's not exactly what the article says, you've 'redacted' it somewhat to suit your own agenda. It says and I quote ' The JLM has attracted some criticism from within the Labour Party. Critics contended that the JLM had become largely dormant by the early 21st century and was only revived following the election of Jeremy Corbyn.'

The Wiki entry on the JLM is overwhelmingly against the anti semites in the Labour Party and contains lots of stuff that you look over such as ' to win the battle, Jews have to remain in the party rather than decamp in the face of Jew-hatred'.

For anyone who can be arsed to read the article and I lost the will here it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Labour_Movement

Oh yes, and I am a proud Zionist.

Why are you proud?

Why would you be proud of a country that only exists because of ethnic cleaning on a massive scale.
Would you like to be thrown out of your home at the point of a gun?
Proud Zionist is code for ultra right wing fascist

[slacker]

That’s well ott, COYOs. And historically wrong.

[tuffers#1]

I repeat my point about use of language.

Nobody is claiming that you should support the *actions* of the current and past government's of Israel. The point that I am making is that I support the *existence* of the state of Israel as both a concept and an entity based on the principle of self determination for the Jewish people in the context of the aftermath of the Holocaust.

What is your language point that forever offends you. If we can sort that we can commicate.

The State of Israel exists and in a tokenistic fashion so does a Palestinian State. Isreal is doing its best to eradicate the Arab people by stealing its land and murdering them at the end of a gun. Can Palestinians vote freely in the Israeli state?

This is wrong and by saying so does not make me an Anti-semite?

Again you're talking about it's actions, not the idea of a Jewish state located where it is.

Why did The Westminster government feel the need to create religous Countries as an
Islamic state or a Jewish state ?

Pakistan & Israel both given religous statute .
Why ?
Was it for some absurd reason for creating conflict that they could sell
Weapons to them ?


Is there a Catholic country (State ) specifically created for Catholicism ?

Ie a Country as opposed to a state ?

[Red_Army]

What is your language point that forever offends you. If we can sort that we can commicate.

The State of Israel exists and in a tokenistic fashion so does a Palestinian State. Isreal is doing its best to eradicate the Arab people by stealing its land and murdering them at the end of a gun. Can Palestinians vote freely in the Israeli state?

This is wrong and by saying so does not make me an Anti-semite?

Again you're talking about it's actions, not the idea of a Jewish state located where it is.

Why did The Westminster government feel the need to create religous Countries as an
Islamic state or a Jewish state ?

Pakistan & Israel both given religous statute .
Why ?
Was it for some absurd reason for creating conflict that they could sell
Weapons to them ?


Is there a Catholic country (State ) specifically created for Catholicism ?

Ie a Country as opposed to a state ?

Have you ever heard of the Holocaust?

[Red_Army]

Why would that be mate?

That's not exactly what the article says, you've 'redacted' it somewhat to suit your own agenda. It says and I quote ' The JLM has attracted some criticism from within the Labour Party. Critics contended that the JLM had become largely dormant by the early 21st century and was only revived following the election of Jeremy Corbyn.'

The Wiki entry on the JLM is overwhelmingly against the anti semites in the Labour Party and contains lots of stuff that you look over such as ' to win the battle, Jews have to remain in the party rather than decamp in the face of Jew-hatred'.

For anyone who can be arsed to read the article and I lost the will here it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Labour_Movement

Oh yes, and I am a proud Zionist.

Why are you proud?

Why would you be proud of a country that only exists because of ethnic cleaning on a massive scale.
Would you like to be thrown out of your home at the point of a gun?
Proud Zionist is code for ultra right wing fascist

You really need to understand that there is a difference between the existence of a state and the actions that said state has carried out.

[tuffers#1]

Again you're talking about it's actions, not the idea of a Jewish state located where it is.

Why did The Westminster government feel the need to create religous Countries as an
Islamic state or a Jewish state ?

Pakistan & Israel both given religous statute .
Why ?
Was it for some absurd reason for creating conflict that they could sell
Weapons to them ?


Is there a Catholic country (State ) specifically created for Catholicism ?

Ie a Country as opposed to a state ?

Have you ever heard of the Holocaust?

Yes i have thanks .

Just a point about that is in fact included in the evidence below

While watching the fantastic series by stephen sharma .
This quote kind of explains a little to me about the change in judaiism.


"    Story of the Jews. This epic five-part series presented by historian Simon Schama explores the story of the Jewish experience from ancient times to the present day. I thought this to be the weakest and most disappointing of the episodes. Schama got caught up in his own personal political feelings as a Jew living outside the country and lost a wonderful opportunity to share his reactions to the amazingly creative place and people we are blessed with in Israel.

 
============================================
 Story of the Jews

Simon Schama examines how the Holocaust and the creation of Israel have fundamentally changed what it means to be Jewish.
============================================
The above sentence kind of shows that the founding of Israel has changed Judaism.

Id be interested in your views if you saw the series about the thoughts of the zionist philosopher who takes things a step further. ( sorry his name escapes me ).

That if religion is something that is practiced with in our minds , ie our beliefs then why should the promised land only exist in Israel ?
Why can it not stretch to Australia or South America or indeed the entire world ?

Very interesting thought process.

[ComeOnYouOs]

That’s well ott, COYOs. And historically wrong.

It is not historically wrong, not is it ott.
This is factual.
Do you think the Palestinians just walked out of their land,so Israel could exist?.

[tuffers#1]

That’s well ott, COYOs. And historically wrong.

It is not historically wrong, not is it ott.
This is factual.
Do you think the Palestinians just walked out of their land,so Israel could exist?.

In fact it was future President Menachin Begin who planted the bomb.

[Red_Army]

That’s well ott, COYOs. And historically wrong.

It is not historically wrong, not is it ott.
This is factual.
Do you think the Palestinians just walked out of their land,so Israel could exist?.

You said that being a proud Zionist is code for being a right-wing facist. Of course that is ott and factually incorrect.

[Red_Army]

Why did The Westminster government feel the need to create religous Countries as an
Islamic state or a Jewish state ?

Pakistan & Israel both given religous statute .
Why ?
Was it for some absurd reason for creating conflict that they could sell
Weapons to them ?


Is there a Catholic country (State ) specifically created for Catholicism ?

Ie a Country as opposed to a state ?

Have you ever heard of the Holocaust?

Yes i have thanks .

Just a point about that is in fact included in the evidence below

While watching the fantastic series by stephen sharma .
This quote kind of explains a little to me about the change in judaiism.


"    Story of the Jews. This epic five-part series presented by historian Simon Schama explores the story of the Jewish experience from ancient times to the present day. I thought this to be the weakest and most disappointing of the episodes. Schama got caught up in his own personal political feelings as a Jew living outside the country and lost a wonderful opportunity to share his reactions to the amazingly creative place and people we are blessed with in Israel.

 
============================================
 Story of the Jews

Simon Schama examines how the Holocaust and the creation of Israel have fundamentally changed what it means to be Jewish.
============================================
The above sentence kind of shows that the founding of Israel has changed Judaism.

Id be interested in your views if you saw the series about the thoughts of the zionist philosopher who takes things a step further. ( sorry his name escapes me ).

That if religion is something that is practiced with in our minds , ie our beliefs then why should the promised land only exist in Israel ?
Why can it not stretch to Australia or South America or indeed the entire world ?

Very interesting thought process.

Because it is about more than religion. It was created in the context of the Holocaust as a safe haven for Jewish people.

[tuffers#1]

Have you ever heard of the Holocaust?

Yes i have thanks .

Just a point about that is in fact included in the evidence below

While watching the fantastic series by stephen sharma .
This quote kind of explains a little to me about the change in judaiism.


"    Story of the Jews. This epic five-part series presented by historian Simon Schama explores the story of the Jewish experience from ancient times to the present day. I thought this to be the weakest and most disappointing of the episodes. Schama got caught up in his own personal political feelings as a Jew living outside the country and lost a wonderful opportunity to share his reactions to the amazingly creative place and people we are blessed with in Israel.

 
============================================
 Story of the Jews

Simon Schama examines how the Holocaust and the creation of Israel have fundamentally changed what it means to be Jewish.
============================================
The above sentence kind of shows that the founding of Israel has changed Judaism.

Id be interested in your views if you saw the series about the thoughts of the zionist philosopher who takes things a step further. ( sorry his name escapes me ).

That if religion is something that is practiced with in our minds , ie our beliefs then why should the promised land only exist in Israel ?
Why can it not stretch to Australia or South America or indeed the entire world ?

Very interesting thought process.

Because it is about more than religion. It was created in the context of the Holocaust as a safe haven for Jewish people.

By using Terrorism to do so ?



Murdering British soldiers & Civil servants along the way.

[tuffers#1]