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Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:10 pm All politicians tell lies, always have done and thats across all parties nothing new in your comment.

Well, well another lie.

You need to read my post again.

I have and you have no basis for the statement, as per usual.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:10 pm All politicians tell lies, always have done and thats across all parties nothing new in your comment.

This is the hackneyed excuse that is being put out time and time again by those trying to deflect from the Tories inherent dishonesty. Doh was always trotting out this bollox - that all politicians are the same, they all lie, can't choose between them etc etc - ad nauseum. It seems you've now picked up the baton.

The Tories lie much more than the other parties. They are not the same as the others. They lie about everything. They wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and French kissed them. The Tories will say (lie about) anything and everything to remain in power. They are the Liverpool or Man City of liars. The other parties can't get close.

Oforever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:48 pm I have and you have no basis for the statement, as per usual.

As per usual you're a silly sausage.

BoniO wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:50 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:10 pm All politicians tell lies, always have done and thats across all parties nothing new in your comment.

This is the hackneyed excuse that is being put out time and time again by those trying to deflect from the Tories inherent dishonesty. Doh was always trotting out this bollox - that all politicians are the same, they all lie, can't choose between them etc etc - ad nauseum. It seems you've now picked up the baton.

The Tories lie much more than the other parties. They are not the same as the others. They lie about everything. They wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and French kissed them. The Tories will say (lie about) anything and everything to remain in power. They are the Liverpool or Man City of liars. The other parties can't get close.

I was not defending any one party, nor was I accusing any one party, just making the point that they all lie.

I didn't realise there was a league table, if you could tell me how points a lie is and if one lie attracts more points than another lie, that would be great.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:53 pm

Oforever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:48 pm I have and you have no basis for the statement, as per usual.

As per usual you're a silly sausage.

Again you attack someone with a nasty comment. You are getting worse with your language towards others. Take a chill pill.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:19 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:53 pm

Oforever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:48 pm I have and you have no basis for the statement, as per usual.

As per usual you're a silly sausage.

Again you attack someone with a nasty comment. You are getting worse with your language towards others. Take a chill pill.

What's wrong with that Gilso. Doh, you, Spen, Stockholm, lucky7, redcard and greyhound do it all the time. I just assumed it was allowed and nobody was too bothered by it.

I don't see you calling them out. So fuckrightoff you w*nker.

I don't swear at anyone on here, again making unfounded accusations about me. You need to prove your comment or retract it please.

In respect to me calling them out, how do you know what I do? Maybe I report it to the mods, maybe I don't, but one thing is for sure I dont have to answer to you about my actions. They are answerable to themselves and if they upset you then you can report them.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:18 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:50 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:10 pm All politicians tell lies, always have done and thats across all parties nothing new in your comment.

This is the hackneyed excuse that is being put out time and time again by those trying to deflect from the Tories inherent dishonesty. Doh was always trotting out this bollox - that all politicians are the same, they all lie, can't choose between them etc etc - ad nauseum. It seems you've now picked up the baton.

The Tories lie much more than the other parties. They are not the same as the others. They lie about everything. They wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and French kissed them. The Tories will say (lie about) anything and everything to remain in power. They are the Liverpool or Man City of liars. The other parties can't get close.

I was not defending any one party, nor was I accusing any one party, just making the point that they all lie.

I didn't realise there was a league table, if you could tell me how points a lie is and if one lie attracts more points than another lie, that would be great.

"Just making the point that they all lie" - what is that if not an attempt to create a level playing field between the parties. They all lie so how can you trust any of them. they're all the same etc etc. They aren't. The Tories lie all the time, consistently. No other party does. Stop trying to deflect from the Tories dishonesty and untrustworthiness.

But the point remains that they all lie. That's a factual statement.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:45 pm But the point remains that they all lie. That's a factual statement.

Yes, I'm not going to argue that all Parties will have lied at some point. So, let's move on.

The point here, as you very well know, is that by making a simplistic statement "all parties lie" you're trying to say they're all as bad as each other and that is not the case. This is an attempt to make the Tories appear to be no worse (with regard to lying) than any other party. That's not the case.

The Tories lie all the fecking time, about everything. The other parties don't.

BoniO wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:51 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:45 pm But the point remains that they all lie. That's a factual statement.

Yes, I'm not going to argue that all Parties will have lied at some point. So, let's move on.

The point here, as you very well know, is that by making a simplistic statement "all parties lie" you're trying to say they're all as bad as each other and that is not the case. This is an attempt to make the Tories appear to be no worse (with regard to lying) than any other party. That's not the case.

The Tories lie all the fecking time, about everything. The other parties don't.

Correct.

BoniO wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:51 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:45 pm But the point remains that they all lie. That's a factual statement.

Yes, I'm not going to argue that all Parties will have lied at some point. So, let's move on.

The point here, as you very well know, is that by making a simplistic statement "all parties lie" you're trying to say they're all as bad as each other and that is not the case. This is an attempt to make the Tories appear to be no worse (with regard to lying) than any other party. That's not the case.

The Tories lie all the fecking time, about everything. The other parties don't.

What part of this statement does this unfunny alias fella not understand?

What part of my factual statement dont you understand? I've not disputed what Bonio has said, I accept what he says, he accepts what I say.

What's hard for you to understand? Shouldn't you be on the other board?

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:25 pm What part of my factual statement dont you understand? I've not disputed what Bonio has said, I accept what he says, he accepts what I say.

What's hard for you to understand? Shouldn't you be on the other board?

So you do accept that the Tories are the supreme liars here compared to the other parties. Great stuff.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:45 pm But the point remains that they all lie. That's a factual statement.

Maybe what would be more accurate is that their economical with the truth. However, I know exactly where you’re coming from.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:23 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:19 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:53 pm

As per usual you're a silly sausage.

Again you attack someone with a nasty comment. You are getting worse with your language towards others. Take a chill pill.

What's wrong with that Gilso. Doh, you, Spen, Stockholm, lucky7, redcard and greyhound do it all the time. I just assumed it was allowed and nobody was too bothered by it.

I don't see you calling them out. So fuckrightoff you w*nker.

show me where I swear at anyone on here maybe only once.
might disagree, but rarely do I swear unlike you and many others.

The political system we have forces people to lie, it is predelated on arguement rather than consensus. One party cannot be seen to be agreeing with another. In the past we had what was called 'Statesmanship', remember that? They were able to put a well reasoned case with logic and pragmatism that would not require lies.

Unfortunately we have drifted into the US and Australian style of politics in the last couple of decades, due mainly to the influence of 'special advisors'. The coming of Trump has now shown how far this disease has spread, lying has become the easy way of convincing voters especially those who want their own opinions and predudices reinforced. Any other opinion being fake news, "we don't need experts", fantasy, magic money trees, et al.

How we get out of this is the difficult thing. I think the next parliament is going to be one of the nastiest we have ever seen, regardless of who wins today.

Mikero

Mikero wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:22 am The political system we have forces people to lie,

I disagree, politicians choose to lie. No one forces them to lie.

They lie because they are prepared to achieve their desired end result by any means whatsoever.

no one forces people to lie

it is predelated on arguement rather than consensus. One party cannot be seen to be agreeing with another. In the past we had what was called 'Statesmanship', remember that? They were able to put a well reasoned case with logic and pragmatism that would not require lies.

Unfortunately we have drifted into the US and Australian style of politics in the last couple of decades, due mainly to the influence of 'special advisors'. The coming of Trump has now shown how far this disease has spread, lying has become the easy way of convincing voters especially those who want their own opinions and predudices reinforced. Any other opinion being fake news, "we don't need experts", fantasy, magic money trees, et al.

How we get out of this is the difficult thing. I think the next parliament is going to be one of the nastiest we have ever seen, regardless of who wins today.

Mikero

I don't disagree with your background analysis, but it is the politicians' choice to lie.

greyhound wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:48 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:23 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:19 pm

Again you attack someone with a nasty comment. You are getting worse with your language towards others. Take a chill pill.

What's wrong with that Gilso. Doh, you, Spen, Stockholm, lucky7, redcard and greyhound do it all the time. I just assumed it was allowed and nobody was too bothered by it.

I don't see you calling them out. So fuckrightoff you w*nker.

show me where I swear at anyone on here maybe only once.
might disagree, but rarely do I swear unlike you and many others.

I'm a self righteous gammon I don't swear on here. Oh wait a moment my one brain cell has been activated and reminds me I do. Unbelievable.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:53 pm

Oforever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:48 pm I have and you have no basis for the statement, as per usual.

As per usual you're a silly sausage.

It's the intellectual debate I enjoy

Oforever wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:50 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:53 pm

Oforever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:48 pm I have and you have no basis for the statement, as per usual.

As per usual you're a silly sausage.

It's the intellectual debate I enjoy

I've given up with that this week and have come down to your level. Youse don't appear to like it.

And neither does PW given that he's issued me a warning.

Seems that the shadow home secretary needs help getting dressed. Not only does she have odd shoes on they are also both left feet and youse want her to be home secretary.

God help us.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... shoes.html

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:46 pm Seems that the shadow home secretary needs help getting dressed. Not only does she have odd shoes on they are also both left feet and youse want her to be home secretary.

God help us.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... shoes.html

You're sounding more pathetic by the minute. Worried about something?

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:46 pm Seems that the shadow home secretary needs help getting dressed. Not only does she have odd shoes on they are also both left feet and youse want her to be home secretary.

God help us.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... shoes.html

Oh no ! The Daily Mail (and, it seems, our own Thor) fall for a badly photoshopped picture and make themselves look a bit silly.